Independence Thinker

Manto writes on another board "Is this guy Masadi for real?"

Yes, I am for real and I am the worst nightmare of a-holes of the West that want to perpetuate the same old MAJ BS in this country to take it further down even deeper into the gutter than it is in right now. What I do know for sure is that the fate of the Indian Muslim was a direct consequence of the majority collectively punishing a minority because of the greed of one man, the MAJ BS, a reaction to obtaining a non-viable country that was to become a whore of the West, thus causing debilitating suffering to the Muslims of this region both inside and outside India.

Today, I had to get some papers Xeroxed, so I went to a corner shop. This guy walks in and asks the shopkeeper, "When is Shab e Miraaj?" The shopkeeper says, "People of an enslaved nation do not partake in these things, I am worried about load shedding and you are asking me this question. People who are enslaved cannot have a religious identity." Then he turned to me and said, "kyun saab jee, theek baat hey?"

I said "bilkul theek" and I am happy that the people of this nation are finally waking up. Then they guy who asked the "Miraaj" question asked the shopkeeper, “Then why did Quaid e Azam make Pakistan", and the shop keeper says, "Quaid e Azam ney jhak maree thee". I laughed as I left the shop on whose wall was the "jhak man's" photograph and said, " Soon the people of this nation will rise up against the BS of both the Quaid and the Mullah variety, enough is enough, the time of our liberation is nigh, one that involves social justice for all". No lackeys of the West like the MAJ will be tolerated, new currency will be printed. Enough of the same old BS. The High Priest of the Church of MAJ and all its franchises and whore houses will be shut down. Then will the humanity in Pakistan rejoice......Inshallah

Gandhi was an influence on Bhagat Singh but Bhagat Singh became unhappy after he called off a campaign after Chauri Chora violence. Bhagat Singh and his compatriots became centre of attention of Indian youth of their time when Jatin Das died as a result of complications arising out of forced feeding to hunger strikers.

After Jallianwallah Bagh Massacre days of British in India were numbered. But after Gandhi if anyone could be credited with winning India freedom it was Bhagat Singh.

Serious historiography is difficult. It is difficult to fully account for "worth" of any one person or group when we try to assess contribution made by them to independence. But after Das's death and transportation of his body by rail many Indian youths were roused to take part in independence struggle.

Subhash Bose may have never tried to tap animocity of Japan and Germany if those external factors did not exist. But Bhagat Singh would have become revolutionary regardless of whether there was communist revolution or whether there was a Gandhi and whether Gandhi was pacifist or not.

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Harish mian,

Don't tell me that you are the genius who is advising Nawaz Sharif to deny the undertaking and agreement that he signed and which was presented before Supreme Court today.

This is what you wrote in 271:

You and your missus deserve every bit of abuse I've hurled ... and then the counter-accusation ... because I've only responded in kind.

It is quite clear that your simplistic "I only responded in kind" is no where to be found in 271.

#290 by Yasser

You are being clever by half. That you hurled abuses is there by your own admission.

Here's what you wrote in #273: "You know full well that we've never abused you and any indirect insinuations I made to your family were after your hurled abuses at Aisha."

Yasser: You abused me and female Yasser.
Harish: I only responded in kind.
Yasser: Prove that we abused you first.

What kind of logic is that? Aray bhai, first you accuse that I abused you both, to which I say that I only responded in kind. Then you ask me to prove:

1. how I started it all?
2. how you are innocent?

Which one is it? It is rather strange that the one who accuses me of abusing him and his missus wants me to prove my innocence. Make up your mind and fast. I wouldn't want to engage in this discussion forever with someone who doesn't even know what he wants. If it weren't so pathetic, I'd die of laughter.

Dear Harish,

You are being clever by half. That you hurled abuses is there by your own admission. Had you not abused Aisha or myself, you would have said: "I have not abused you or Aisha".

Therefore your 271 amounts to admission and you know it is true. Your "in kind" statement doesn't make sense since Aisha has never abused you ever nor have I in the first instance.

So we know the following:

1. You have admitted to abusing Aisha and myself.

2. You have claimed that you abused us only in response to our abuse towards you.

3. You have not produced any evidence for 2.

#288 by Yasser

Therefore you need to prove your accusation since my "accusation" stands proved by your own admission/confession.

Yaar Yasser, I said #271 that I responded in kind to what you said. If you feel you and the female Yasser haven't abused me in any way, then what does "in kind" mean? Let me make this simpler for your mediocre brain: if X praised Y and Y responded in kind, it only means that Y praised X as well. OTOH, if X abused Y and Y responded in kind, it means Y abused X in response.

So the fact that you're squealing like a pig with its head cut off is because you know that you both abused me and were being crybabies when I responded in kind. If OTOH, you feel you haven't done anything to deserve the abuse, you have nothing to worry about. But all the kicking and screaming points to only one thing: you got more than you bargained for.

Yaar Harish mian,

Are you having problems comprehending what is being said?
My accusation that you have resorted to worst kind of abuse is proved by your words:

You and your missus deserve every bit of abuse I've hurled, because I've only responded in kind.

The claim that you've resorted to abuse was not DISPUTED by you. You came up with excuse that it was Aisha who started it. Therefore you need to prove your accusation since my "accusation" stands proved by your own admission/confession.

Now please see that the burden of proof lies with you. You may seek legal opinion from your finest "solicitor" friend on this.

-YLH

PS: the fact that you have to drag my family into this whole thing once again proves that you (and the female Yasser) deserved every bit of abuse I've hurled at you.

#285 by Yasser

Therefore the burden of proof is on you to show where Aisha abused you or your family to earn the abuse to which you responded in kind. Unless you produce this - my assertion remains unchallenged since the only admitted truth here is that you've resorted to abuse.

Abay Yasser, even an illiterate Abdul would tell you that since it is you who made the accusation, it is YOU who must prove it. Nowhere in the world is the accused asked to provide proof of his/her innocence. The onus of proving the accused's guilt solely lies on the accuser. Such shocking ignorance, coming as it does from someone "working for one of Pakistan's top law firms" is to say the least, astounding.

Dear Harish mian,

The problem with people like you is circular logic or lack thereof.

What am I supposed to prove? It is you who were supposed t prove that we abused you or your family.

The fact that you abused Aisha again and again on your ilogs and other places is NOT even disputed. You've admitted it and you were banned from this website for abusing people.

You wrote: You and your missus deserve every bit of abuse I've hurled, because I've only responded in kind.

Therefore the burden of proof is on you to show where Aisha abused you or your family to earn the abuse to which you responded in kind. Unless you produce this - my assertion remains unchallenged since the only admitted truth here is that you've resorted to abuse.

The truth is that you know as well as I do that neither Aisha nor I ever abused you and the only reason you resorted to showing us your family background was because you were frustrated - as usual - and had no counter-arguments to Aisha's ilogs about India (which did not mention you by the way).

Repetitively claiming that you abused us only because we abused you first without providing evidence for it is a rather shameless way of arguing.
-YLH


PS: Amansandhu promised three hours ago that she was looking it up and will show it. She has failed to produce evidence and she has failed to atleast apologise for her lie.

Yaar Yasser, on this very board, your propensity to resort to abuse at the drop of a hat is there for everyone to see. And instead of going on and on squealing like a pig, why don't you just prove that it was I who started the abuse? The fact that 10 posts later, you have absolutely nothing to prove your claim is rather revealing in itself, isn't it?

Apparently, your mother didn't see it fit to teach you basic honesty. Or is that a trait totally missing from your family?

PS: Aman, you don't have to stoop down to Yasser's level. All you have to do is call him by his first name, his parents ensured that every time you do that, you've responded in kind :-)

aman,

I hope you will have enough integrity to admit that you were wrong in claiming that if at all you don't find it.

Re: # 279

Sadly Harish mian that is not true. I did not complain to Chowk staff.

You were banned because instead of countering Aisha's ilogs about Indian poverty with logic, you started hurling abuses and showing off your family background.

You are such a liar. You admitted to abusing us in 271 giving the excuse that we deserved it. Then when you couldn't come up with any concrete reason for why we deserve it, you are asking me to give you proof. Shame. Check your ilogs... you will find ample evidence, if you haven't removed it already.

-YLH

YLH

PS: Your addition of the word "fuck" to what I actually called you shows that even you don't think dumbass qualifies as an excuse.

Ok, Manto I am looking it up, you will see it soon.

Re: # 275

Dumbassandhu,

The only person on a high horse here is Harish mian. No amount of abuse on his part can stop Aisha or myself from expressing our point of view.. all it does is prove a point about Harish mian's family background.

My issue was with Harish mian's self righteousness, hypocrisy and double standards. It was he was sermonizing Folio (and someone ought to have but not Harish mian who is as bad if not worse than Folio).

If we were to take that (dumb) as a standard of abuse, poor Harish mian would be banned from this website. However... my comment was with regard to specific abuses, in front of which even Folio's abuses against Hamidm are merely child's play.

And while you and I call each other names all the time, all Aisha was doing was posting news items about India... the same way arjun-m does. But because Arjun-m is a man, he cannot be targetted for his gender.. but Harish mian chose to target Aisha, presumably because his mother failed to instill any respect for women in him.

-YLH

PS: Your addition of the word "fuck" to what I actually called you shows that even you don't think dumbass qualifies as an excuse.