The Transformation of the Punjabi Man: Pashtunization or Militarization?

Dear Salim Sahib,

views could also be expressed in a more civilized way. Have you forgotten or given up your age-old tradition? Or it's the MQM riffraff that's now determining the culture of the once so serious and civilized Utter Perdeshies?

To the problem of the stranded Pakistanis: It's a shameful part of our history that Pakistani politicians denied to recognise and bring them to their new country that they certainly loved and punished because of it so brutally by the racist Bengalis who saw in a handful of people a great danger for their state security or even survival. It's equally shameful of the Bengalis who treated their Muslim fellows so inhumanely. This brutal treatment of the stranded Pakistanis, however, doesn't give an excuse to Pakistan for forgetting them, let alone disowning them. They should've long been in Pakistan.

I hope, you'd not disagree that a Punjabi prime minister started bringing them home and settling them in Punjab because Sind and PPP were against them and interestingly the same anti-Bihari PPP is now being welcomed by the Bihari-loving MQM!

Tahmed, Khushki, and other racist Paki bigots. Sharam se jaao or duoobo - your myopic hatred and racism has been answered by some compassion by Bangladesh - the end of Pakistan is near. May all your cowardly soldiers die in Miransha, you scum of humanity and blot on the name of Islam. COWARDS!


B'desh may grant citizenship to stranded Pakistanis

SEP 6 - Nearly half of about 300,000 Urdu-speaking “Bihari” Muslims awaiting repatriation to Pakistan for over 36 years may be granted Bangladeshi citizenship ahead of elections next year, a senior government official said on Thursday. “We are considering to give citizenships to about 140,000 Biharis who were either born in Bangladesh or have expressed loyalty to us,” said a Home Ministry official. He said the rest of the Biharis, also known as “Stranded Pakistanis”, would continue to wait for an agreement on their fate.

Despite your claim that no one feels offended when an attempt is made to analyse the performance of the genetic brothers and sisters of the MQM clientel in U.P. and Bihar, your persistent distasteful remarks suggest a different perspective.

I feel myself outrightly misunderstood by you and your colleagues -- if you're true in your statements.

I'm strictly against quota system or any affirmative action in whatsoever shape because it creates the wrong victim mentality. people start thinking that they're not competetive and need special care which is in the longer term more damaging to them.

But the other side of the coin is the fundamental issue of equal opportunities. You talk about having a fair share according to your perception of representation in the government sector but you never talk about equally fair access to the educational infrastructure to the majority of pakistanis living in villages/towns/small cities. Do you really believe that these people have such good infrastructure in their regions? if not then how can you call your demand of ending the quota system a fair and justified one?

Dearest salim
This is the kind of thing you will regret in the morning. Beating Laddu's is entirely without value. If the zahids of the world were not racist and not stupid there would be no MQM ...instead the MQM despite being a frightful organization in many ways is the backbone of the sind govt and will be for years to come untill this kind of mentality dies out.
And for the record Zahid loads of people are "allowed" to criticize the MQM thats not the racist part... but ofcourse you slept thru most of the discussion only to wake up and call bihari hindus backward :)

It's not only ridiculous but also hypocritic that the clientel of a rascist and fascist party are calling very soberly persons rascist! Merely because they've questioned the hate-based ideology of MQM and've urged them to come to the floor of sanity?

#320 Zahid-e-Khushk {"The Bridge before collapsing made some noise and that has been quoted by Salim Sahib because he is apparently void of arguments. "}

Khushki,
Obviously "the bridge" didn't go far enough in calling you just stupid. You are much more than that - a determined, devious, and insidious racist.

Tahmed #288 AND #287 {"#288 Posted by tahmed32 on September 20, 2007 5:16:33 pm
viqaram: ..., then I suggest you back your accusation that I am a racist by cutting and pasting anything I have written that strikes you as being racist. .

#287 Posted by tahmed32 on September 20, 2007 5:12:22 pm
salimchauhan: ... You have thousands of posts from me written on chowk. Show me one post where i have used the term "sons of the soil" which you claim I have been "bragging about"!! "}

Tahmed Sahib,
First of all let me assure you that I don't collect the nonsense that you have blurted out in thousands of your posts. I am sure that Viqarm Sahib shares my good taste in reading.

Do you have a habit of dictating to people that they research your idiotic and racist remarks and then post them here for further circulation?

The reason that many people here call you a racists is that if it walks like a duck, quack likes a duck, it must be a racist. :)

The Bridge before collapsing made some noise and that has been quoted by Salim Sahib because he is apparently void of arguments.

#291 Zahid-e-Khushk {"According to Salim Sahib's statistics, Muslims made some (10-15)% in the eastern part and about 30% in the west. On the average one could assume they made about 20% of U.P. The fitter ones left for Pakistan leaving behind the retarded ones. We can forget them. But what about the Hindus making some (70-80)% of the total population? They had the same genes and culture. Why couldn't they develope whereas their fellow Hindus in Tamil Nadoo and Karnatka could very well do?"}

Khushk Sahib,
I was going to respond to your idiotic statements with some facts, but I think that cliftonbridge has answered you quite appropriately in #292 with:

"Zahid you may not be the most racist person on this board but you are by far the most ridiculous ...i mean HP's blatant "muhajir will come and get you with a kolapuri knife" crap is at least worth a good laugh...

Do you really think muhajirs take it personally when you criticise UP /bihari hindus? is ANYONE really that stupid ?
Please find a single person in pakistan india or infact switzerland who thinks that muhajirs will bristle if you call bihari hindus backward."

#286 IB {" 'jab sharif insaan badmashi per utarta hai tu us say khatarnaq koye nahin hota'

I say when there's Pakhtoon-Punjabi Itehad, Punjabi Student Fed., Nationalists Parties in Pakistan openly bash eachother - why not MQM which is a representative forum for the Mohajirs of Pakistan."}

IB Sahib,
Khub, bohot khub! Everybody else can play ethnic, religious, linguistic, feudal cards, but we Urdu-speaking Mohajirs are expected to only chant "Shad bad manzil-e-murad." :)

nite

cliftonbridge: got to go now. have a good night.

#314 clifton bridge: Sorry to hear that. At least you are lucky you did not get caught overspeeding in Virginia - they have a new law (meant primarily to raise money from out of state motorists I think) where they charge a .. hold on to your subway seat... $1,000 fine for speeding in excess of 20 mph over speed limit.

My shoulder is getting better slowly. Another 4 weeks in Physical Therapy should do it hopefully.

As for Pakistan politics - I just pray that we have a return to democracy. I really dont care who wins as long as it is done through free and fair elections, and more important - if the elected party does not do well - that people can remove them 4 years or so later.

fine i am smarting from the indignity of a stupid 60 dollar fine for putting my feet up on a subway seat :(

hows your shoulder??

(ps- just one last thing? when BB and PML-Q win the next elections and make a combined govt will you forgive the MQM ...since they will not at that point be the only ones supporting Mush? :))

cliftonbridge #308 thanks for the explanation, and sorry i missed your response on the quota system. But why do you continue to think despite what I wrote that the quota system is something that only mqm thinks is not right? I am not a member of the mqm, e.g., and I made it clear why I think the quota system is not merely unfair it is self-defeating and based on an unsound philosophy.

as for mqm, after May 12 they no longer qualify as anything other than a criminal organization: They came out with guns to defend musharraf's "right" to be the dictator of Pakistan and to deny Pakistanis their basic rights, and they killed peaceful protestors. I am not happy to say this - I would love to see more people who are working towards introducing a progressive society in Pakistan, not less. But it has been mqm's choice to betray the rest of Pakistan at this critical time.

Anyway, enough of mqm. Hope all is well with you.

Viq i am not justifying it ...i am saying there is a diff btw being considered antireligion and being consdered anti IJI.
MQM hate JI thats true but i was not aware that their reputation in karachi was that they were antireligion.