Boots, Beards, Burqas and Bombs

rash: are you saying musharraf and the military are not to blame for the coup d'etat of 1999?

or are you saying that musharraf is not to blame for reneging on his promise to have free and fair elections as soon as possible after that coup d'etat on 1999?

or are you saying that musharraf is not to blame for trying to have everyone believe that 8 years after his coup d'etat it still too early to be "as soon as possible"?

I fail to understand whether you have a problem with the president or with Bureaucrats. If you Analise the situation you would realise that it was not the uniformed personal who were at fault but those sitting in civil cloths on high chairs that failed to take effective steps at the right time to avoid a situation like this

philo, you really did give up drinking?! Fantastic. I have nothing against drinking, am myself a teatotler of sort. And addictions can be powerful.

But I know faith can be more powerful than anything else. If that worked for you, philo, one can only say: Thank you, Lord!

And congratulations to you too, my friend. God works only through each one of us, after all.

Re: # 13echoboom

Hahah....great post echo...

echo/zee

I am glad to inform you brothers in faith that by the grace God,i have given up drinking.

zee your message really helped me to get rid of this shit.

Thanx brother.

No more Liquid kanjarpana at my end.

Interesting development

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20078\26\story_26- 8-2007_pg7_10

Beena your comments?

In the text attributed to Khaled Ahmed in #12:
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It is interesting to note that when the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan adopted the Objectives Resolution in 1949, it used the less threatening term “Quran and Sunna” instead of “Sharia” that later came to be embedded in Article 203(C) of the Constitution relating to the Federal Shariat Court. ***

"Less threatening"? vah bhei vah kya logic hei? arre bhei jab billi a gayi to billi ki punchh bhi a jayegi. Khaledbhai you are one deluded pakistani. kya quran, kya sunna our kya shariya, our kya ye hair splitting micro-classification and micro-differentiation? sab ikatthe hein. sab sath me aye, sab sath me jayenge.

In Pakistan's present day problems India does not even deserve a mention? Why not Pakistanis admit that it was their all consuming hatred of India which is the root cause of its present day troubles? Arrogance that their religion is "perfect" is feeding this hatred as well as their hatred of other countries. Their hatred of jews comes pre-wired into the circuitry of their religion's mind. They must hate jews in the minimum. All other hatred can be dissolved but not that hatred. sou bat ki ek bat.

[The Lal Masjid saga exploded in July but it actually dates back to the late 1970s, when America enlisted Pakistan, led by the all-too-willing General Zia ul-Haq, as a frontline state against the Russian communists who had invaded Afghanistan. Soon the Pakistani madrassas were flush with American and Saudi money. The influx coincided with the rise of Khomeini’s Shi’ite Iran, perceived as a threat by the Saudis who until then were the undisputed ‘leaders’ of the Muslim world. More madrassas, mostly financed by the Saudis but some also by the Iranians, began appearing in Pakistan, along with training camps for the Mujahideen. Afghanistan’s fight for national independence was transformed into a jihad. Ironically, Gen Zia’s son, Ijaz ul-Haq, Pakistan’s Minister for Religious Affairs, was among the negotiators trying to work out a solution to the situation, until talks failed reportedly due to pressure from Washington, DC).]

iss ka matbal ye hei ki sab log jimmevar hei. America jimmevar hei, Russian communists jimmevar hei, "American and Saudi money" jimmevar hei, Iran jimmevar hei, Saudis jimmevar hei, lekin Paksitani bilkul jimmevar nahin. arre bhei, ye sab jo Pakistan ke andar hota hei uske liye dusron ko kyun koste ho? apka religion hi khota hei, apka all consuming hatred fasad ki jad hei. iss bat ko svikar kyun nahin kar lete? sou bat ki ek bat.

Remember folks, you heard it first on chowk!! Musharraf agrees to step down as army chief!!

albeit at end December and after he gets to make a mockery of elections by being "relected" as President - so Chief Justice will have to get Mush to get "enlightened" on this question as well. :-)


Source: Interview of Mush's info secretary in Washington Times today

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20070823/FOREIGN/108230081&S earchID=73291276070239

Re: # 13

" #13 Posted by echoboom on August 23, 2007 8:41:20 pm objectionable content
The time is near when the Kanjaroons will be dragged inthe streets & then they will beg the ones they now call them the honourable names of terrorists, extremists, fundamentalists
to please spare them their lives."

Why do terrorist sympathizers like you and zeemax glorify the sick criminals? They deserve a good military operation backed by the US & Pak forces to dispatch them to hell ASAP.

Very disappointed in Chowk for publishing this drivel by beena sarwar. There is no incentive for these 'chowkie' authors to do real investigative work instead of peddling their political agendas.

Re: # 16

"but musharraf chose instead to enforce his writ with chemical weapons over a children's library occupied by a bunch of stick wielding schoolgirls."

Those were terrorists not school children and they got what they deserved. You and other terrorist sympathizers have no place in the civilized world. Go back to the desert or the mountains where you came from.

Re: # 15

No need to call yourself an 'idiot' or any other names. Your self-esteem (or lack there of) is your business and no one else's.

Pakistanis showed their true character by supporting the Chief Justice...and character being destiny, are therefore destined to be a free people!! Sic Semper Tyrannis!! Pakistan Zindabad!!

From Ayaz Amir (Dawn)

"...What the Supreme Court bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry and comprising their lordships Faqir Khokhar, Javed Buttar, Nasir-ul-Mulk, and Fayyaz Ahmed has done in the ‘missing persons’ case is unprecedented in our history. ISI and MI have been compelled (by the Supreme Court) to disgorge people held in illegal captivity whose existence was all along denied. How the mighty are shaken.

At a public meeting in Liaquat Bagh, Rawalpindi, a few months back, a mother of one such ‘missing person’, somehow managed to break the thick security around the president’s person and fell on her knees before him. Holding his hand and crying out loudly she pleaded for the release of her ‘missing’ son. Raising the woman to her feet, Musharraf resumed his speech and in a voice breaking with sincerity said that persons said to be ‘missing’ had most probably gone to wage ‘jihad’ with the Taliban. None was in military custody.

Their lordships, however, have been indefatigable and have shown what the agencies have been up to. This very week just to get three persons released from MI custody, their lordships had to sit for hours and hours listening to the most outrageous lies. Their perseverance paid off and after the director-general (DG) of the Federal Investigation Agency was told that if one such person, Hafiz Abdul Basit (whose arrest was traced to the DG), was not brought before the court, he (the DG) would have to spend time in jail, Basit and two other prisoners (all detained illegally, and mercilessly tortured during their detention) were released the next day.
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Re: Beena

Officially, there was no code-name for the military operation. One of the SSG units, when ordered to attack nick-named the assult as "operation sunrise" since the attack occured around dawn. It was the Pakistani press, which coined the term, Operation Silence and since then, the popular thought has wrongly identified it as the code-name for the operation.

The operational control of the assult was given to Brigade 111 depployed in Rawalpindi and the overall operational command was with the army corps (I forget the corps designation) that is based in Rawalpindi. The SSG unit, which took part in the assult was the Musa Brigade, which is a dedicated anti-terrorist brigade of the SSG.

All this information was printed in Pakistani and international newspapers.

Ciao

Burka MUllah,

There is a new twist to the burka mullah story. Apparently, his madrassa was regularly supported by the ISI in its operation of sending jihadis to kashmir, and it was the standard practice that he wore a burka while meeting the ISI staff.

I recall that during the talk of the burka mulla and how he avoided shehdad by wearing burka, others said that the truth will eventually come out.

It appears that the poor mullah was tricked by telling that it was teh routine ISI visit and the ISi exposed him.

This is pathetic for pak army of which ISI is a unit and manned by pak army men.

Author,

Everyone knew the consequences of a Hafsa operation (except of-course the complete morons who believed the Mujahideen will be 'smoked out' and that'll be the end of it).

The complete loss of government's writ to Mujahideen over N & S Wazirisistans plus Swat plus partially over settled Areas of Tank, Bannu and Dera Ismail Khan was all foreseen and repeatedly warned, but musharraf chose instead to enforce his writ with chemical weapons over a children's library occupied by a bunch of stick wielding schoolgirls. Now he faces an average of a dozen of his servicemen killed and injured each day with IEDs. No more stick-wielding schoolgirls shouting Al-Jihad Al-Jihad and abducting whores for lecture sessions.

But one consequence was not foreseen which is the politicisation of the so far apolitical Wafaq-Ul-Madaris (Federation of Madrassas)which represents over 7,000 madrassas and over a million students. There has been a rebellion in it's ranks over it's role in the collapse of final negotiations and the recent annual examinations were boycotted by thousands of students demanding it's leadership to resign and levelling grave charges of complicity with musharraf. The rebel leadership holds Abdul Rashid Ghazi as Shaheed and their moral leader, and vows to pursue criminal trials against all responsible.

Whatever the political dispensation is now to follow after the Sharif verdict, the above will be a factor to be reckoned with by any aspirant - religious or liberal.

#8/9 Posted by edgeNRidge,

Isn't this the 'maha' idiot who was wasting thread after thread trying to post Utube videos till I taught him how?