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M F Hussein is a criminal. He is absconding not to face legal proceedings ( like terrorist Dawood Ibrahim). If you are morally string, face the law of the land. These moslems living in India has second ( or first) house in Middle East and Pakistan. They commit crime here and leave the country to avoid prosecution. This dirty smart chap (Mother F***er Hussein) even transfered all his property to someone else, such that Govt. even fails to confiscate property, in case the person is absconding.

Therefore, the Koran must be understood as an amalgamation of 2 forms of content: The message alleged to be from God to Muhammad in order to pass on to humankind. The other element are stories or passages relating to Muhammad's prophetic activity, as well as God's advice directly on Muhammad's prophetic activity.

To reiterate& quote from my earlier post

"Islam is very loose and easily feigned religion ..Any body can call himself Mousavi or Atta or Even Osama orAyman These are peope are not of religion but" Political crazy "...

Any crime is not commited by hindu ,christian jew or Muslim but by CRIMINALS .It would be like Americas Policy on Christians b/c majority of American are christians,not withstanding the fact that that rt.wing americans are quite UNCHRISTIANS

How can you attribute these destructive peoles as directive in Qoran...Any body is entitled to theorise cause and effect relation ship to a particuler incident .If you ask the terrorist some of them like to be called 'Free Dom fighters'not that i think there ways and interpretation are correct .If you say the religion of Criminal or incident of person is caused by or due to there RELIGION then there are much more incidents should be attributed to non islamic chritians in particular as they were coloniser all over the world.But again i DONT think it was there religion drove them to it
but economics or political carzyness just as fight of communism ,native Americans against Anglosaxon ,ireland against england ,Ltte against NonTamils ,Naxalites .We dont equate that to Religion.The 9/11 terrorists were not madarssa pupil,Madarsas have been the only school in india before independence and peole like Rajender Prasada,prem Chand first had only that avenue of any educatin
of course now it is primary schools .Take a look around be it Israel, palestine ,iraq ,Waziristan ,Afganistan even American dont believe they are result of any "theolgy" but fight within there areas with non citizens of that area be it Iraq Palestine Afganistan Waziristan....

Tolkin,

You have to understand the marginal theory. When the economy shrinks by say 5 percent, it is recession. Think of the scanario when un-employment in the US is 30 percent, there will eb chaos, govt will be changed and many economists will loose their jobs and new theories will be made to explain the phenomenon. No one talks about the 70 percent who are employed.

hence to change and review the premise of the religion, when thousands of scholarly mullahs are teaching killings as jihad, there is no need for more than 50 percent of all muslims to be jihadis.

The few mdrassas of pakistan, the bombings in london and 9/11 etc are an indication, is the canary that has fallen over, to announce that there is something toxic in the book.

Coming back to your earlier car anology, there is no need for several cars to crash and buirn due to tyre fault to make a million tyre re-recall, one or two is enough if one can find something systemic, it is not statistics, it is causal.

Read the book and look for the causal that motiovates muslims from all kinds of societies, the rich of the 9/11, the poor fo waziristan to become suicide bombers.

Re: # 15

I have read all the posts on Up particularly of Sadna and yours ...It may seem like muslims are jehadis ..but even if you count pakistan palestine, b desh phillipines ..and deduct the non jehadi maintream one and add to that the remaining i billion muslims all over world isnt this jehadi label skewed statistically ...

Tolkin,

13000 madrasas teaching jihad. Well recall aktar, released after indian aircraft hijacking, he is the leader of the Jaish mohammed, honored by the pak government.

Give us a break, hundreds of mullahs who dedicated their lives to learning of koran are leading the jihadic killings.

Take the case of lal masjid.

It is time that pakistanis accept the fact, and accept well that mullahs devoted to the religion are behind jihadic killings and no amount of white washing by the westernised educated to present a different picture from the book helps. These are western views, and no islamic sholar cares abouyr them. See the interviews with lal masjid mullah, it is really pathetic to portray him as a person with no understanding of islam.

Yes the criminals kill, let us take a step further boms kill, but do not blame the madrassas who sets out teh killers.

At least assign some responsibility for the pak schooling, the k for kafir education, the iSI, the madrassas and above all to Jinnah for TNT.

Have a look at teh facts, in the philippines it is muslims against christians, in israel it is muslims against jews, in india it is muslims against hindus, what is teh common factor.

And in teh case of pakistan, it is a country created for islam and with the idea that muslims cannot live with others and is the leader of thsi terror network.

The london bombers had to come to pakistan, and I rest y case, TNT and jinnah should take the full credit.

'Jihadi killing calls from the book.

Can you quote from kuran call to kill ...

Interpretation is such a ubiquitous translation ranging from literal to symbolic...

As i mentioned earlier Ijtidad is instrument to use common sensen with respect to islam
As ramayan mahabharat Geeta vedas are just as dys contemporay ....Think practically how can a muslim in modern world be cosidered doing everything according to tea ching ....Any more than hindu according to Kali and vedas manu ,Manu simriti etc etc.or christians by the bible or the jews by the Torah....

Islamis very loose and easily feigned religion ..Any body can call himself Mousavi or Atta or Even Osama orAyman These are peope are not of religion but Political crazy ...

Any crime is not commited by hindu ,christian jew or Muslim but by CRIMINALS .It would be like Americas Policy on Christians b/c majority of American are christians,not withstanding the fact that that rt.wing americans are quite UNCHRISTIANS

Tolkin 8 ,

I like that comparison of islam to cars and muslims to drivers.

No one complains about cars, let me stop you right there, if there is any problems with cars, there is something called re-call to fix it.

Can any one delete Jihadi killing calls from the book.

WITH FRIENDS LIKE SHIAS AND SUNNIS (ala Iraq etc), although both Muslims and their sub-set Religions, who the heck needs the others for enemies, When:
Teri nazar mey main hun Kaafir,
meri nazar mey tu hai kaafir!!!
If this is what we do to our so called ‘ikhwaa’ what chance is there to live in peace and harmony with non-Muslims, even as neighbours?
‘Just war’ is a contradiction in terms. No faith justifies it, but all ‘Religions’ vehemently do. Hence we are all infected with lies emanating from each of our churches.
Rashid

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Agree with you lot of free time in hand for these(I.M.) obscurantist......Muslims need to chill out and lighten up...I think less properity makes them lasck any other activities....

muslims take their faith very seriously and follow it to the letter and spirit... no other group of people follow their faith that seriously...

So if muslims are behaving badly - then may be there is something wrong with the faith they are so ardently following... right?... the bad-behaving muslims are almost always very religious and have vast knowledge of koran and hadith and whatever and always pull out verses to prove that they are working exactly as prescribed in the book...

aijaz, all the things that you hear in the press about yazidis etc could be plot of the zionist propaganda machine, so why worry?

Ji ji

"However, not a single one of you came out against Hussain when he insulted Hindus and their idols. "

Muslims should have
but neither Hindus came against TN about doing the same thing to minority as Hussain did to majority

"Correctly or not, we would definitely question the car model now. Using the same analogy if a few Muslims were rotten then I would not blame Islam ...."

The key word you have said 'correctly or not ' one can blame the driver or drivers and not the model..more than 60K American die in Auto accedents each year not due to model of car but due bad drivers....here the anology is again that the car ( model of Islam )is not bad but the drivers (muslims)with there secterian allegience more than quran and its correct interpretaion are Bad Drivers...You masy have not heard of Ijtedad qwhich exactly is contemporasy interpretatio of Quran which byits SILENCE in many areas does not codone violence or suicide

Aijaz Dude, I don't give a rat's ass if Muslims get their entertainment and extracurricular activities by fighting and killing each other. My problem is when your "peaceful activities" of the "religion of peace" target non-Muslims. That's what I have a problem with.

You mention Mo Fo Hussain's treatment by Hindus. As the name implies Hussain is a Muslim. All the people who are supposedly involved in "insulting" and "desecrating" Islam i.e. Rushdie with Satanic Verses, Taslima Nasreen, Jerry Falwell's remark on Mohammed, Danish cartoons, Miss Universe in Nigeria incident and riots, no Hindu or Buddhist was involved in these. Yet, Muslims developed a big irritation in their ass (gaand me khujli) and started riots in India i.e. Mumbai over Satanic Verses, Solapur for Falwell's remarks. However, not a single one of you came out against Hussain when he insulted Hindus and their idols. Not a single one of you uttered a word when the Talibans blew up the Bamiyan statues.

True to your Halal meat you have to spit some venom against the Jews. How has the Jews hurt India? Do you see Jewish terrorists coming and blowing up your people even though many of you Muslims want to go to Israel and blow them up.

Finally, a piece of advice whether you chose to heed it or not. Actually two. Supposing if a couple of people died on the road each year using a car model X. Then we would not question the car but the driver's capabilities. However, assume that hundreds of thousands died each year when driving the same model X. Correctly or not, we would definitely question the car model now. Using the same analogy if a few Muslims were rotten then I would not blame Islam or Quran. However, if a sizeable section of the Islamic world is deep sh!t today (poverty, illiteracy, dictatorship, fundamentalism) then I would definitely hold Islam accountable. More so than Hinduism or Judaism or any other religion because Muslims more than other religions love to wear their religion on their sleeve.

The second piece of advice is that what was very good some years ago need not be relevant today. The steam locomotive was a great thing during the 19th century and fastened the Industrial Revolution and helped the North win the US Civil War. However, if any train company were to use the steam locomotives today it would be a polluter running an inefficient model. Canons were great war tools during the Middle Ages but are redundant today. Same way teachings and beliefs that might have been an excellent thing for 7th century Arabia need not be relevant for the 21st century world.

I watched the progrmme "God's warriors" with my wife last night on CNN with morbid fascination. To think that these people - the subscribers to this faith - are amongst us! It was chilling. And their numbers are rising. 10% of Netherlands is Muslim - immigrants. And rapidly rising. 10% of France in Muslim - immigrants. 1% of the USA is Muslim.

It is amazing to see the amount of hatred these people have for the culture that was generous enough to allow them in. I see demands for dividing the country in France and Netherlands in the future.

The future will be bloody. I hope humanity prevails in this tussle. Otherwise god help us.

This will continue to happen as long as law peotects the perpretators of these incidents by repealing 'religous disharmony and sensitivity laws '

http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?autono=295229&lef tnm=5&subLeft=0&chkFlg=

Think of similar incidents of this nature — an assault on a filmmaker (the attack on Deepa Mehta, the recent disruption of a screening of Anand Patwardhan’s War and Peace) And incidents of disrupting T.V. stations like Star after inter religous marriage or certain articles in Outlook,M.F. Hussain ,Gajamini ,And others
it can also be said Hinduism is Good ..it is some Hindus who are bad

I think true followers of both religion are embaressed by such incidents

Regarding your surprise that it happened in ...Hyderabad is being parochial .After all which indian muslim or hindu should be proud of Moudoodi and his brand of Islam ....Yes you are right muslims are there ownen emies b/c look at them and there islam ..Agha Khan the supporterof Partition has islam of his own so does Jinnah who was Khoja and not limited to that there are exclusivity within islam of Bohra,qadiani and trying to be the brahmin upper caste among muslims....with such bigottery i dont want to be part of even your brand of Islam