Living Through a Revolution

Re: # 5
AK was a dominating presence during and after the revolution, but as much I respected him for his comprehensive knowledge,brilliance as a strategician, his integrity, his tenacity and perseverence, I failed to be inspired by him. On the other hand I found the lectures and writings given by Ali Shariati very inspiring, and reflective indicativeof a true genius who really understood the place and role of Islam in the modern world.
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Re: # 48
Hare brains, Urdu is a young Indo Aryan language whose grammatic and idiomatic structure is solidly based on khari boli like Hindi. The only difference between Hindi and Urdu is that Urdu has borrowed a lot of its lexicon from Persian and Arabic whereas Hindi from Sanskrit. In good old days both Urdu and Hindi were one language - Hindustani, one written in Persian script, the other in Devnagari.

If there is one person on chowk whose real identity I would like to know, it is ahmedmadani. I would go to Pakistan (which I am planning to do this winter) just to meet him. He writes with ease what "intellectuals" strggle to mumble. I reproduce the following (a point made by several big-time economists):

"Do not get too much carried away by corrouption.
If some body can give good goverence then pay 10 times one can look at corrouption as fringe benefits for good goverence. Its not corrouption but imcompetence that matters. Just good people are worthless being good. You get what you pay to rule."

Oh! How Chowk thrives at the expense of such characters like dawa-i-dil and ahmedmadani.
Recently I happened to visit Macdonalds in an East European capital. I found two dark persons gesticulating trying to convey to the girl at the counter what they wanted to order, they spoke real badly accented English which the girl was not following. Knowing the local tongue,I volunteered to help, and of course they managed to get what they wanted. Initially from their complexion I was sure they were Bengalis, but when they started speaking I realised they were from Punjab, they said they were from Pakistan, one from Lahore and the other from Sialkot.
One does not understand why some Pakistanis like these two posters I have mentioned are so hung on colour of the skin and how they are fairer than Indians. Fairer does not necessarily make better. These two obviously have some kind of a complex vis-a-vis Indians.
Islam came to India only a few centuries ago, but those Indians who became Muslims and are today living as Pakistanis have not become fair because of Islam, the Indians in these parts were always light skinned, tall. Even memoirs of a Greek soldier mentions that Porus was 8 feet tall. Porus was an Indian and so were all people living in this region. Mahabharat was written in Afghanistan about 2000 years ago, everybody in the area comprising today's Pakistan was then Hindu, tall and light skinned. It was preIslamic India.
If light skin is to be attributed to Islam, all Muslims of India Pakistan and Bangladesh would have been tall and light skinned.
If these two posters feel superior due to lighter colour let them thank their preislamic(Hindu) roots and be happy. Islam is a faith the Indians in these parts have adopted but their true Indianness will never go away.

Muhammad bin Tughluq, like ahmedmadani, was way beyond his time ..... as a result some called Tughluq mad .... his fort still exists .... once the surroundings were beautiful ... today it is crowded, polluted and smells of shit.

ahmedmadni sahib,

........ as usual, you are right on the money !......... we should all learn arabic so that we are not mistaken for madrasis and other inferior creatures .......

......... it is unfortunate that the muslim rulers of india were far outnumbered by the local riff raff ....... if they had managed to breed a little whiteness into everyone, converted them to islam and taught them all to speak arabic and farsi, we wouldn't be faced with the ugliness and other problems that we are facing today ..... just like in america, where you have to drive all the way to arizona to see an indian, we could have put them all on a reservation in madras and put them to work cutting up betel nuts ........ sigh ! it is too late now

why indians are so much jealous of farsi and arabic....

yes...they are the prime languages out of which urdu is emerged.....

our colours...race..traditions..rituals ..customs..resembles with arabs...iranis..turks..and central asians...but not with indians..at the least...

accept this reality...

why ndians are so much touchy about that....

i already have said..forget about "greater india" ..evcer...remeber ..the nuclear devices we have...OK

Tolkin/Harimau,

If Mr. Madani becomes the Emir of Pakistan, he will spend half his tenure getting people to start learning Arabic/Farsi and the other half getting people to forget Arabic/farsi and re-learn the local lingo. And at the end of his regime they will be back to square one.

Regards

Ref TOLKININ # 45

[you are like mad kng who moved his capital from delhi only to return back shortly i for get that muslim kings name]

Muhammad bin Tughluq

Re: # 38
"WE need to go to parsi language of Iran or arabic language. It will take time but once it starts then slowly we will not understand version of urdu spoken as hindi in india and people will nt understand indian movies, will break back of cultural domination by India'

You could not get East Pakistani unlearn bengali in favour of urdu you crazy go to the extent of learning farsi and arabic just to avoid bollywood .
what if its sublitled in farsi and arabic which they already are ....

Its not easy to learn any non mother tongue ,how the hell would pushtu sindhi punjabi blochi can learn farsi and arabic ...
you are like mad kng who moved his capital from delhi only to return back shortly i for get that muslim kings name

Re: # 43
Anybody who wants job can add few feathers by talking arabian

# 41, love the way you include earthy common sense in your posts. IMO, one of the best things any Muslim can do for his or her career and personal advacement in life is to master Arabic.

Re: # 39
Do not get too much carried away by corrouption.
If some body can give good goverence then pay 10 times one can look at corrouption as fringe benefits for good goverence. Its not corrouption but imcompetence that matters. Just good people are worthless being good. You get what you pay to rule.

Re: # 40
She part combination , her grandmother was hindu and mother irani so she is not extremely not white but her color complexion is evevy of whites and dark desis. As too white iranians or white race people look pale and have to add darkness to to their complexion to look healthy otherwise they look bloody bloodless race people without color. Look at dark in dians black and white photographs, dark are photogenic than white monkey people.Iranaians and indians are lousy people but intelligent and you add sindhi a good combination that is brain + beauty. Also note she has little quaint one eye its adds always beauty to women but for men it is a defect. So she can do little foundation and she looks pretty and khandan and upper class upbringing of feudal nature adds to aadab. Comapred all females presidents and PM she is one of most beautiful person, and she can pass easily as modern lady at same time can as act as a reserved woman. Her husband is disadvantaged in color complexion but also handsome man but old as they tortured asif to hurt Mrs. Bhutto nasty army people. While indian soniya is not good looking but her husband was better looking but she is smart and he proved no so smart. I think Gandhi had more whiteness than Bhuttos. No corrouption is not big thing. When you go at such high position it needs lot od financial investments and no wise man puts his money in business as politics. As mr. Masadi shown politics is concentrated economics. You can think corrouption in terms of lubrication to make go world around.
Arab language is better if one has to follow in economic terms. Iran people are jolous of pakistan. Still they can notfigure how with all oil wealth lying around they are poor compared to Pakistan . Why they are tech backward even with all natural advantages. Why they can not master nuke science or Cruise missiles or Multiple independently targetable missiles as Pakistan. They have contept for sunnis and specially dark people but they are astonished to see why they can not match easter neighbour. But it is not their fault as nature when gives in abundance gives less brain its idea of balance to world. Like arabs were intelligent when gas was not important , but now gas and now stupid elitist slaves of usa. Still arab is good language. It does not have pretece of sofestication look at what harsh pronounciation of arabs ( Specially KH, r etc like Mukhakharban ante , atc has earthy ness like punjabi). We need rough elemental language not class distinctive urdu or persian language. Elitist should be deprived of elitists language advantage or pacifist languages like (soft) bengal language.
Arabic will also add to biodata to get good jobs in arab lands.

madani sahib, it is one of the strangest ironies of history: the language issue which played so key a role in getting Pakistan freedom from India has also become the real factor keeping Pakistan from enjoying that freedom.

Hopefully, in future, Benazir might replace Urdu, Punjabi, and Sindhi etc. with Persian while Nawaz Sharif might go for Arabic. Do you have any strong preference between the two as the language of your own grand children?
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For Mrs, Bhutto, the white Persian, you probably meant: She looks khandani.

Re: # 38 for god sake...she made a crruption of Rs.1 kharab ...at least...

Re: # 37
I have great respect for overcoming his physical handicap and now working in difficult field/ technical field.
Also it is quite unique article for not referred even once to India which is unfortunately dominating popular imagination of our people. Everything political is becoming Indiacentric is our fault.If one looks at map there are other neighbours who are having same religion but their cultural ethos is different than India. They are crazy about Indian movies but they are culturally different. We can learn something from them. We are just becoming white copy of dark indians and people in world relates us to India and then we are doomed. One of problem is languages. Even language problem led to division of country.If we had adopted arabian or farsi type talking this would have avopided. WE need to go to parsi language of Iran or arabic language. It will take time but once it starts then slowly we will not understand version of urdu spoken as hindi in india and people will nt understand indian movies, will break back of cultural domination by India.
Author can tell if still lots of dark skinned Irans in Abadan ( african type). Abadan has horrible weather hot and humid how he coped there once you get used to Karachi good weather its hard to adopt to wild weathers of world.
It is sad in Iran and Iraq fatricide war great Refinary about to finish built by Japan was destroyed. It was suppose to make process 1 million barrels of oil products including high speed disel and petroleum. Sad part is today iran imports 1 million liters of petrol and including from India. Then brothers fights outsiders get benefits.
If BB gets again PM it can lead to better relationship with Iran. IPI pipe lines seems is history ? Schlors of economics can comment.

Re: # 22
Mrs Bhutto is Iranian . She looks stunningly Khandan and beautiful even today and she dresses properly.

Re: # 34 post by echoboom...super excellent post..i fully agree....

Is there any wonder that the Kanjaroons think that just by adopting gora chaal dhaal & khaal their IQ would suddenly skyrocket to genius level.

Know not these Kanjaroons that they are SLAVES in their mind heart & body?

Look now what those who HATE the WEst, who KICK the west, & who rub the western & westoxicated noses in dirt..what they achieve..WHILE THE Cantonment Kuttaaas beg for their money back for the jets paid for?

Then There are those who consider english as their first language[ that metaphoric chamaar FerozeK said to Mr. Masadi.Ha Haa Haa & there is no shortage of such kanjaroons here who take pride in NOT knowing Urdu] who are told that they would sell their mothers for much less.


Is there any wonder that the SLAVELANDS do no print such news? Anyone interested could learn a lot... Iran would soon surpass many western nations in ORIGINAL Science research; sports, cinema, & manufacturing. There is a world way way beyond what the english language newspapers of the West & westoxicated nations have even a clue.

No wonder the Slaves in Slavelands are called Jaahils by Iranians AND by Arabs as well.
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Iran tests new home-made fighter jet
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Iran on Sunday made a successful test flight of its second home-made fighter jet, state media reported.

According to the semi-official Fars news agency, the fighter jet, "Azarakhsh" (Lightning), which was said to be "comparable" to the U.S. F-5 fighter jet, made a successful flight in a ceremony in the central city of Isfahan.

Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar and some other senior military officials attended the ceremony, it said.

"The domestically developed fighter plane is another example of the technological achievements of Iran," Isfahan governor Morteza Bakhtiari was quoted as saying by the official IRNA news agency.

"When the United States is selling its arms to its allies in the region, our country's experts are making huge progress every day toward self-sufficiency in defense," he added.

Azarakhsh is Iran's second homegrown fighter jet after Sa'egheh (Thunder), which has been described as a parallel to the U.S. F-18 fighter jet.

Source: Xinhua..People's Daily of China

Achievement in EVERY FIELD of endeavour:

Sports, industry, arts, Mathematics & Sciences

The ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN, led by the MULLAS & MADRESSAH educated scholars..the most learned of the leaders of the world today..not punks like Bush & Musharraf( the riff-raff) has excelled in every field & ..treats United Satans & the west with CONTEMPT & as a class yahoo who has never ever seen artistocracy of mind & spirit.

& then there are our Ba Ba Blacksheep & Kuttaas from Cantonment & Colonies who would pimp their bitchmothers to obtain a better breed of brother & sisters.

UNtil & UNless they express HATE for the UNited Satans..the barrage of invectives by muslims the world over will only stop until they cease to exist.
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Address by Anders Nordström, Acting-Director-General

WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION (WHO) of UN

http://www.who.int/dg/nordstrom/speeches/2006/emro_regional_committee/en/i ndex.html

excerpt:
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The Islamic Republic of Iran has achieved a dramatic drop in its infant mortality rate - from 120 in 1974 to 28 in 2000. An impressive achievement.

Children must be a priority in the Region, with a sustained commitment. I am very pleased to see that many countries are implementing the Child Health Policy Initiative. Immunization is a crucial part of our work and one of our most successful tools. Yet globally 2-3 million children each year are not vaccinated, and die from preventable diseases. The Region has 78% immunization coverage. The GAVI Alliance continues to increase access to vaccines, and to improve immunization safety. All six GAVI-eligible countries have received funding to support immunization services - a total commitment of $61 million.

In terms of maternal health, much more remains to be done to address the underlying problems in mothers' and women's health. We are still far behind the goals set for 2015 and progress is too slow. If you excuse me making a reference to the Islamic Republic of Iran again, this country has decreased maternal mortality ratios from 245 per 100 000 live births in 1976 to 27 per 100 000 in 2004. Another remarkable achievement.

Globally, momentum is increasing to address sexual and reproductive health. WHO's governing bodies have approved a series of strategies and measures aimed at tackling sexually transmitted infections and improving reproductive health, especially among young people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGH6C8Zrmb4


Anna Marie Schimmel on ALLAMA IQBAL, IRAN, his FARSI work & why.

very valuable five minute clip here.

Anna Marie: Germany's highest ranking scholar & writer ..died 3 years ago. Devotee of Allama Iqbal & Maulana Rumi.

and of course Islam..

dawa-e-dil, janaab aap pichhlay 1000 saal se HinduyoN ke saath reh kar hagg bhi rahe...aisay karo abh haggna bhi band kar do, aap aur paak ho jayeiNge.

10 posts in a row on the same topic is also haggna...or rather e-haggna....you can't call it a dast but more like mengna.

I am not critising anyone but just telling from history . You have observed that we use word "ayt" for verses of quran which mean "nishani" or "symbol" , the same word shia muslims use for their grand ulema" ayoutullah" means " nishani of Allah" that shows they consider them and their rulings from God , a very high place , something from divine and God's connection and to disobey them means you have disobeyed the god almighty . Just read "Al-hakoomata_i_ Islamia" from "Ayoutullah Khoemani" , you will see on pg.no 79 , 78 that " Our ulemas and faqeeh have knowledge of everything , they neither sleep nor they get tired " and on pg no. 141 he writes" we cannot expect the least mistakes from our aymma or ayatullahs" Now you see in "aytul -qursi" the same properties are mention for Allah almighty.














It is very unfortunate that abdullah ibne saba got the weak point and we easily fell prey to it .........
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Psychologically , he played with the psyche of iranis and iraqis that who , thousands of years , have been experiencing their ruler as "god" or say it " autar " or "duata" etc.. and other thing that in persian empire , the next ruler is the closest relative of previou one and their always continued a chain of a same family ruling for thousands of years and like above i discussed about " mehaendi" in indo-pak , these two concepts are so common for iranis and iraqis that they accepted it at once that is "every prophet has a ""wasi"" and the wasi of muhammad )peace be upon him) is hazrat ali(ra) and secondly the ruler is appointed from God or himself in human form , so to obey him as like a god .Abdullah ibne Saba did exactly , exactly exactly the same technique and unfortunatlet he had a complete success in dividing the muslim nations into two .Tose "religious" leaders of fire-domes preached this concept to its all swing and deviated thousands of them so that they again "regain" thier previous rule .They could impose tax , gave rulings and exercised powe sharing with rulers .In "safvi" rulers of iran and "qachari" rule , they gained so much power that they had a firm grip on government , "Raza shah pehelvi" and "muhammad shah pehelvi" decreased thier power to great extent but after revolution , they again got their powers .Now although Iran is a complete democratical country , yet supreme is not president , or parliment but"Rahbar" who have many many powers and to appoint army , naval ,air chiefs , disapprove any electrol candidate and final ruling will be his.

So brother , their reaction is natural .Just think , if Afghanistan in 4 or 5 years " will defeat whole europe and then rled them , although create a justice system , have a freedom of religion except a small amount of " jazya" , will europe not react that these barbarian ansd tribel men of "uzbek" , "tajik" and "pakhtun" , living for centuries into mountainns and fighting over each other , cvulturally illeterate now become our ruler , the ruler of Europe , a centre of culture , arts and architechture so it was a natural behaviour of " iran" and " iaqi" people of that time .And this was the beginning of """" Clash between Arabian and Persian nationalism"""""""""""&am p;qu ot;" .And the "religious" leades of fire-domes added fire to the fuel becuse they had lost thier rule .Abdullah ibne Saba , a cunning jewish , came to medina , obseved all this , then came back to egypt anf "kufa" and used all these points in his favour and and burnt such a huge flame of fire of revenge , misconceptions and hatred thar , everything disappeared into it and this also happened because some "umayyad" caliphs preached"Arabian nationalism" and showed hatred towards "persians" and "ajum" but the ultimate loss was to all muslims................

So when islam came in Iraq and Iran , the first thing happened that all fire -domes extinguished , secondly , the "government" of these religious classs also came to end because in islam there is no concept of such things ,To obey Allah and rasool , is a simple way .No grave , shrines and people giving wealth to them.So , this was a end of thier rule of thousands of year. Secondly , they cannot accept that thier ruler , which they consider as God in human form can ever be defeated , again anger .Third and most importantly , they could not believe that the " camel riders" and " budhhu" of "Arabia" , which they used to call them " ignorant " , barbarian and "un cultered" , how they can defeat " wold super power " in only few years .Now this thing is beyond thier mental limits that how can this be possible .We , the super power , of thousands of years , advanced in litrerature , arts , cultures , architechture , buildingds , domes , scruptures and tradionally so rich people , and how these "tribe men" living in deserts and have no culture and arts , came over us...................

Similarly , the peple living in Iran and Iraq before islam , for thousand of years , under Sassanid empire , like dara , jamshed , kaikoous , kiyani , nowsherva , bahman , and the first one was "namrood" in abraham(as) period .Now all these kings called themselves as Allah in manly form(God man) , that Allah has spirtually come to earth in the form of a ruler and secodly , the"fire domes" were keep on burning for thosands of years in these two conuntries as they follow "Zartisht" or Zartosht & Zoroastrianism and religious leaders of these fire-domes had a very powerful authority over people as well as government , the took taxes , religious gifts"Nazrana" from people , people asked the religious problems and their commandment was final , they took wealth from poor people in their fire-domes with a plea that God will happy from you as much as you give your money .They were also in administration and they had a right to "punish" anyone or"relaese" anyone.So ruler also has a respect to them as people do .So this"religious" class whether we call them....religious fudamentalist.....theocratic leaders...." pujari" , " mazbhi taikhaidar" or " nazranai khanai walay" the similar as we see in indo -pak a diffrent shrines and graves of aulia like " Ajmir sharif" or"Pak patan" etc etc.The similar was the case , in those days , in India where"Brahman" also enjoyed all thse "luxuries" and " benifets" and also in "Roman empire " where "chritians fathers" , "padriis" also have a commandment on people.
Science was abandoned and no right of freedom of speech and expression.

do not know from which conutry you belong but me , living in ,Pakistan , experienced many things which are not islamic but yet we do it .For example , in our marriages in indo-pak region , we do "mehandi" on first day then "barat" and finally ""walima" , now this"mahaindi" has nothing to do with isalm , it is purely a "hindu" festival but now 99.99% marriages cannot take place witout "mehendi" why ? because for 1000 years we have benn living with hindus so due to this long period now , it looks very common to us .Hardly anyone , who very strictly follow quran and sunnah , not do "mehendi" otherwise everyone do it .Similarly , "juta chupai"(steal shoes) ad " doodh pilai"( to drink milk) are also very common so that with 1000 years of living , eating , drinking together , both sides have intermixed so many things , customs , rituals and festivals that now nobody knows particarly about a festival that whether is it a muslim originated or a hindu one???? just as " basant"( flying kites ) etc etc..

The real history of Shiaism


Brother , one thing i want to clear to all muslim brothers and sisters that Allah will not ask from me , on the day of judgement , that why muavia(ra) and ali(ra) fighted and who was corect and if you give wrong answer , I will put you into hell.Brother , He will not ask me anyhing like that , He will ask me , did you offerr 5 prayers , gave zakat , kept roza , hajj, helped poor , jihad aginst your nafs and so that .He will not ask what other did , Allah will ask what i did and that what i believe in..............So we keep on fighting our whole life who is true or who is false or who is better or who is worse ,It is none of my business , Allah has the ultimate domain of ""Justice" and let him exercise this domain......
Secondly, i think , both sides have to do some concessions , because it takes two make a quarrel means " tali hamaisha do haton sai bajti hai"

and i am the most lover of Great Ali..the lion of God.....what a man he is....

once i wrote something about him here...


http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=252782

just to have some information as Tariq have said about shia sunni division....

despite i or pakistan major population is sunni..but our great roots lie in iran..our rich culture..traditions..food..clothes..language..colour...


though..i have some differences with shiaism..not shias at all...two different things...

but in pakistan..alhumdulillah...shias and sunnis are one..politically and in every aspect..some extremists like Laskarae Jhangvi ..kill innocent people..but they have very less support....

and nobody can compare the noor and divines beauty of irani women in hijaab ....as compare to nude ...modern ...fashionable working ladies of today's Pakistan or india or west.....

Though ..we have some religious differences with iran..but now..i am proud of iran..what a brave leader Ahmedi Nrjaad they have..and what a bullshit we have ..which start pissing on hearing 3rd level secretary of US or even beautiful Condi...

echo,

.... if you love the mullahs so much, why don't you move to iran ?.......... you are not a bahai, are you ?

http://www.iranworld.com/Laws/ltr-r211.htm



The constituition of the Islamic Republic of Iran


Read it, could be quite an eye-opener for the condemned wretched nay-sayers and ill-wishers of Islam and muslims. Quite an intellectual arsenal here to confront the Ooons & Poons

some relevant excerpts from the Islamic Republic of Iran`s constituition:




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Article 12: The official religion of Iran is Islam and the Twelver Ja`fari school [in usual al-Din and fiqh], and this principle will remain eternally immutable. Other Islamic schools, including the Hanafi, Shafi`i, Maliki, Hanbali, and Zaydi, are to be accorded full respect, and their followers are free to act in accordance with their own jurisprudence in performing their religious rites. These schools enjoy official status in matters pertaining to religious education, affairs of personal status (marriage, divorce, inheritance, and wills) and related litigation in courts of law. In regions of the country where Muslims following any one of these schools of fiqh constitute the majority, local regulations, within the bounds of the jurisdiction of local councils, are to be in accordance with the respective school of fiqh, without infringing upon the rights of the followers of other schools.



Article 13: Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.




Article 14: In accordance with the sacred verse; (``God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you because of your religion and who have not expelled you from your homes`` [60:8]), the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran and all Muslims are duty-bound to treat non-Muslims in conformity with ethical norms and the principles of Islamic justice and equity, and to respect their human rights. This principle applies to all who refrain from engaging in conspiracy or activity against Islam and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Re: # 16

dullay,

..... i think you got it wrong - bala was actually talking about visiting heera mandi and dying with a smile on your face ......

sorry dullah, i don't get your panjabi comments--even though i'm panjabi it is a poor third to my english and urdu :-(

Nishan e mard e momin man ba tu goyam:
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
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explaination:
jadon mard shehar jaye, ohda nishana ay baar labay te rajj ke pee'ay.
:)
but mullahoons will never lighten up and reach to the hidden mysteries of Balay's poetry.:-)

Nishan e mard e momin man ba tu goyam:
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
--Hazrat e Iqbal rahmatullah alayhi.


I suppose the kanjaroons won't get it...

tariq saab, a very good read. I wish you gave more details about day to day life during those times.
as for Bala Lahori...I have heard his shairs quoted by Sikh preachers many a time...no doubt he is favorite of religious nuts of all kinds.

a very promising article which promised a lot--gave fascinating tidbits of info. --but did not deliver enough. Those days when the Ayatollah ripped the heart out of the shameless Shah and his plans --which were really US plans--for the Mid East --are a momentous chapter in world history and it'd be great to learn more from a person who was there.

Meanwhile I'd recommend Khomeini's biography by Baqer Moin: Life of the Ayatollah.

I disagree with Khomeini's creed -- I am a Sunni -- but his achievement is memorable and worth using as a template for others in similar situations. The question is, where is such a Sunni alim willing to enter politics?

Re: # 11

..... do you mean "Sex" ?? ......... astagfirullah! .. speak for yourself

It is indeed a very positive sign that CHOWK was infested with the Oooons ever since its inception and even until a couple of years ago.

AlhamduLillah, now even the use of the "S" word has gone the way of the dodo. The Ooons have been defanged & "mulla. "maulana", & "maulvi" now just cannot be used as terms of sneer & derision.

Waliking talking & eulogising Westoxicated behaviour as "glamorous" & a sign of being parRhha likhha has joined the ranks of Dinausars. Hijab DarhHee Shalwaar are truly the ones who just as they excelled in SCiences & arts & always were the top-mark getters are agin on top whether in the east or in the west.

Some remnants of the toata-mainaa system are still languishing in corporation in the kind of jobs which a fifth grader can run very efficiently. Is Maulana Sattar Edhi not running an empire so successfully without a "Management" training from the strip-teased & Pimped institutions

Re: # 7

an impotent man always curses the woman for his inadequacies ....

Re: # 8

The criterion of judgement of what Dr Israr says is not Dr Israr's person, but whether what he says is according to Qura'n and Sunnah or not.

Re: # 7 Uncle Urstruely ..
Same Doctor Israr - is against women rule / against hudood laws.. etc..

One of the best from Dr. Israr Ahmad in todays newspaper:

http://www.jang-group.com/jang/aug2007-daily/31-08-2007/col7.htm

Refreing to the bulldogs of west like Musharaf and proxy ruling elite in Muslim lands, who is the custodian of Western colonial interests, he writes:

"It is quite unfortunate that if on one hand American and western aggression on Muslim lands is akin to the wrath of God upon us but on the other hand the greater curse upon us is the pro-American Muslim rulers who oppress us. They are no more than puppets whose strings are pulled elsewhere. These rulers would go to any length to please their master pharoah Bush. In fact these rulers are so fervent in pleasing their master that their condition can be described in this couplet:

mera yeh haal boot ki toe chat-ta hoon maiN
unka yeh hukum daikh meray farash par na reeng


translation: (Look at me how fervently) I lick the toes of their boots.
And (look at them) they order me not to crawl on their floor.

Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about
9/11 Published:25 August 2007

http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece


Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real. He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver".

His – or her – question goes like this. Why, if you believe you're a free journalist, don't you report what you really know about 9/11? Why don't you tell the truth – that the Bush administration (or the CIA or Mossad, you name it) blew up the twin towers? Why don't you reveal the secrets behind 9/11? The assumption in each case is that Fisk knows – that Fisk has an absolute concrete, copper-bottomed fact-filled desk containing final proof of what "all the world knows" (that usually is the phrase) – who destroyed the twin towers. Sometimes the "raver" is clearly distressed. One man in Cork screamed his question at me, and then – the moment I suggested that his version of the plot was a bit odd – left the hall, shouting abuse and kicking over chairs.

Usually, I have tried to tell the "truth"; that while there are unanswered questions about 9/11, I am the Middle East correspondent of The Independent, not the conspiracy correspondent; that I have quite enough real plots on my hands in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, etc, to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan. My final argument – a clincher, in my view – is that the Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?

Well, I still hold to that view. Any military which can claim – as the Americans did two days ago – that al-Qa'ida is on the run is not capable of carrying out anything on the scale of 9/11. "We disrupted al-Qa'ida, causing them to run," Colonel David Sutherland said of the preposterously code-named "Operation Lightning Hammer" in Iraq's Diyala province. "Their fear of facing our forces proves the terrorists know there is no safe haven for them." And more of the same, all of it untrue.

Within hours, al-Qa'ida attacked Baquba in battalion strength and slaughtered all the local sheikhs who had thrown in their hand with the Americans. It reminds me of Vietnam, the war which George Bush watched from the skies over Texas – which may account for why he this week mixed up the end of the Vietnam war with the genocide in a different country called Cambodia, whose population was eventually rescued by the same Vietnamese whom Mr Bush's more courageous colleagues had been fighting all along.

But – here we go. I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It's not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I'm not talking about the crazed "research" of David Icke's Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.

I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive".

Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter.

Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs.

Tariq sahib:

I agree with echo, this article is a breath of fresh air in chowk. And yes, could you please write more detailed accounts? I have been reading on the Iranian revolution for quite some time now and heard many first hand experiences (mostly negative because many of them fled over time). Bits and pieces of news here and there induce me to believe that the broader revolution is still continuing through the fight between pro and anti state elements.

Even if you choose not to write more articles, please do interact and let us know more. As for me, I am in particular interested in the speeches of AK pre and post revolution. Pre revolutionary speeches are vague about his future vision and had elements of liberalism and communism. Post revolution ... well we know. But what were your perception at that time? Waiting eagerly for your response.

and then long long time ago Allama Iqbal had said:

"Tehran ho gar aalUm-i Mashrique kaa Geneva
Mumkin hay kay aqvaam kee taqdeer badal jaaey"

tr:
If Tehran be the Geneva* of the Eastern world
It might reverse the destiny of those nations.

* as headquarters of league of Nations.


It is happening; it WILL happen.

What a breath of fresh air on chowk!

How the US grovelled & apologised last week to Tehran that it made a "mistake" in "arresting" a group of Iranians last week. This was done just within 24 hours after Iran threathened US.

and then there are our Cantonment & Colony kuttaas who are waging a war against very those who are our best friends & the worst enemies of the United Satans.

Tariq please write more. Thiswas a fine piece but more details of a first-hand account needed. Is,nt it a shame that none of our "journalists" were there to report this greates event in the Muslim world after almost a millenium?

Mukhtar Masood's book "safar-Naseeb" gives a pretty good account of the day Ayatullah Khomeini landed at Tehran airport. A very vivid & emotional account indeed.

What Pakistan need is a revolution which would make the westoxicated ones curse & ask themselves why they were ever born.

InshaAllah, that day is not far...Allama Iqbal has given us that good news. Iran is just the start.

Tariq: You have composed your impressions of the great revolutioon quite well. The revolution of Iran is the beacon of light that shows the way and give hope to all oppressed people around the world that colonialism of all kind - direct and one through proxy corrupt social class - can be humilited, defeated, and eradicated. It is possible.

So Iran - went from American Camp to Shia One ?
what was the use of any revolution - if it didn't touched the real issues of people - that is 'better living standards' -
it failed -