Living Through a Revolution
Muhammad Tariq August 24, 2007
#1 Posted by IB on August 31, 2007 3:56:24 am
So Iran - went from American Camp to Shia One ?
what was the use of any revolution - if it didn't touched the real issues of people - that is 'better living standards' -
it failed -
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#2 Posted by Urstruly on August 31, 2007 6:32:15 am
Tariq: You have composed your impressions of the great revolutioon quite well. The revolution of Iran is the beacon of light that shows the way and give hope to all oppressed people around the world that colonialism of all kind - direct and one through proxy corrupt social class - can be humilited, defeated, and eradicated. It is possible.
#3 Posted by echoboom on August 31, 2007 7:27:30 am
What a breath of fresh air on chowk!
How the US grovelled & apologised last week to Tehran that it made a "mistake" in "arresting" a group of Iranians last week. This was done just within 24 hours after Iran threathened US.
and then there are our Cantonment & Colony kuttaas who are waging a war against very those who are our best friends & the worst enemies of the United Satans.
Tariq please write more. Thiswas a fine piece but more details of a first-hand account needed. Is,nt it a shame that none of our "journalists" were there to report this greates event in the Muslim world after almost a millenium?
Mukhtar Masood's book "safar-Naseeb" gives a pretty good account of the day Ayatullah Khomeini landed at Tehran airport. A very vivid & emotional account indeed.
What Pakistan need is a revolution which would make the westoxicated ones curse & ask themselves why they were ever born.
InshaAllah, that day is not far...Allama Iqbal has given us that good news. Iran is just the start.
How the US grovelled & apologised last week to Tehran that it made a "mistake" in "arresting" a group of Iranians last week. This was done just within 24 hours after Iran threathened US.
and then there are our Cantonment & Colony kuttaas who are waging a war against very those who are our best friends & the worst enemies of the United Satans.
Tariq please write more. Thiswas a fine piece but more details of a first-hand account needed. Is,nt it a shame that none of our "journalists" were there to report this greates event in the Muslim world after almost a millenium?
Mukhtar Masood's book "safar-Naseeb" gives a pretty good account of the day Ayatullah Khomeini landed at Tehran airport. A very vivid & emotional account indeed.
What Pakistan need is a revolution which would make the westoxicated ones curse & ask themselves why they were ever born.
InshaAllah, that day is not far...Allama Iqbal has given us that good news. Iran is just the start.
#4 Posted by echoboom on August 31, 2007 7:46:36 am
and then long long time ago Allama Iqbal had said:
"Tehran ho gar aalUm-i Mashrique kaa Geneva
Mumkin hay kay aqvaam kee taqdeer badal jaaey"
tr:
If Tehran be the Geneva* of the Eastern world
It might reverse the destiny of those nations.
* as headquarters of league of Nations.
It is happening; it WILL happen.
"Tehran ho gar aalUm-i Mashrique kaa Geneva
Mumkin hay kay aqvaam kee taqdeer badal jaaey"
tr:
If Tehran be the Geneva* of the Eastern world
It might reverse the destiny of those nations.
* as headquarters of league of Nations.
It is happening; it WILL happen.
#5 Posted by GT on August 31, 2007 7:54:19 am
Tariq sahib:
I agree with echo, this article is a breath of fresh air in chowk. And yes, could you please write more detailed accounts? I have been reading on the Iranian revolution for quite some time now and heard many first hand experiences (mostly negative because many of them fled over time). Bits and pieces of news here and there induce me to believe that the broader revolution is still continuing through the fight between pro and anti state elements.
Even if you choose not to write more articles, please do interact and let us know more. As for me, I am in particular interested in the speeches of AK pre and post revolution. Pre revolutionary speeches are vague about his future vision and had elements of liberalism and communism. Post revolution ... well we know. But what were your perception at that time? Waiting eagerly for your response.
I agree with echo, this article is a breath of fresh air in chowk. And yes, could you please write more detailed accounts? I have been reading on the Iranian revolution for quite some time now and heard many first hand experiences (mostly negative because many of them fled over time). Bits and pieces of news here and there induce me to believe that the broader revolution is still continuing through the fight between pro and anti state elements.
Even if you choose not to write more articles, please do interact and let us know more. As for me, I am in particular interested in the speeches of AK pre and post revolution. Pre revolutionary speeches are vague about his future vision and had elements of liberalism and communism. Post revolution ... well we know. But what were your perception at that time? Waiting eagerly for your response.
#6 Posted by echoboom on August 31, 2007 7:58:05 am
Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about
9/11 Published:25 August 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece
Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real. He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver".
His – or her – question goes like this. Why, if you believe you're a free journalist, don't you report what you really know about 9/11? Why don't you tell the truth – that the Bush administration (or the CIA or Mossad, you name it) blew up the twin towers? Why don't you reveal the secrets behind 9/11? The assumption in each case is that Fisk knows – that Fisk has an absolute concrete, copper-bottomed fact-filled desk containing final proof of what "all the world knows" (that usually is the phrase) – who destroyed the twin towers. Sometimes the "raver" is clearly distressed. One man in Cork screamed his question at me, and then – the moment I suggested that his version of the plot was a bit odd – left the hall, shouting abuse and kicking over chairs.
Usually, I have tried to tell the "truth"; that while there are unanswered questions about 9/11, I am the Middle East correspondent of The Independent, not the conspiracy correspondent; that I have quite enough real plots on my hands in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, etc, to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan. My final argument – a clincher, in my view – is that the Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?
Well, I still hold to that view. Any military which can claim – as the Americans did two days ago – that al-Qa'ida is on the run is not capable of carrying out anything on the scale of 9/11. "We disrupted al-Qa'ida, causing them to run," Colonel David Sutherland said of the preposterously code-named "Operation Lightning Hammer" in Iraq's Diyala province. "Their fear of facing our forces proves the terrorists know there is no safe haven for them." And more of the same, all of it untrue.
Within hours, al-Qa'ida attacked Baquba in battalion strength and slaughtered all the local sheikhs who had thrown in their hand with the Americans. It reminds me of Vietnam, the war which George Bush watched from the skies over Texas – which may account for why he this week mixed up the end of the Vietnam war with the genocide in a different country called Cambodia, whose population was eventually rescued by the same Vietnamese whom Mr Bush's more courageous colleagues had been fighting all along.
But – here we go. I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It's not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I'm not talking about the crazed "research" of David Icke's Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.
I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive".
Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.
But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter.
Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs.
9/11 Published:25 August 2007
http://news.independent.co.uk/fisk/article2893860.ece
Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience – just one – whom I call the "raver". Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions – often quite humbling ones for me as a journalist – and which show that they understand the Middle East tragedy a lot better than the journalists who report it. But the "raver" is real. He has turned up in corporeal form in Stockholm and in Oxford, in Sao Paulo and in Yerevan, in Cairo, in Los Angeles and, in female form, in Barcelona. No matter the country, there will always be a "raver".
His – or her – question goes like this. Why, if you believe you're a free journalist, don't you report what you really know about 9/11? Why don't you tell the truth – that the Bush administration (or the CIA or Mossad, you name it) blew up the twin towers? Why don't you reveal the secrets behind 9/11? The assumption in each case is that Fisk knows – that Fisk has an absolute concrete, copper-bottomed fact-filled desk containing final proof of what "all the world knows" (that usually is the phrase) – who destroyed the twin towers. Sometimes the "raver" is clearly distressed. One man in Cork screamed his question at me, and then – the moment I suggested that his version of the plot was a bit odd – left the hall, shouting abuse and kicking over chairs.
Usually, I have tried to tell the "truth"; that while there are unanswered questions about 9/11, I am the Middle East correspondent of The Independent, not the conspiracy correspondent; that I have quite enough real plots on my hands in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Iran, the Gulf, etc, to worry about imaginary ones in Manhattan. My final argument – a clincher, in my view – is that the Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?
Well, I still hold to that view. Any military which can claim – as the Americans did two days ago – that al-Qa'ida is on the run is not capable of carrying out anything on the scale of 9/11. "We disrupted al-Qa'ida, causing them to run," Colonel David Sutherland said of the preposterously code-named "Operation Lightning Hammer" in Iraq's Diyala province. "Their fear of facing our forces proves the terrorists know there is no safe haven for them." And more of the same, all of it untrue.
Within hours, al-Qa'ida attacked Baquba in battalion strength and slaughtered all the local sheikhs who had thrown in their hand with the Americans. It reminds me of Vietnam, the war which George Bush watched from the skies over Texas – which may account for why he this week mixed up the end of the Vietnam war with the genocide in a different country called Cambodia, whose population was eventually rescued by the same Vietnamese whom Mr Bush's more courageous colleagues had been fighting all along.
But – here we go. I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It's not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I'm not talking about the crazed "research" of David Icke's Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.
I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the "raver" bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be "fraudulent or deceptive".
Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard "explosions" in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.
But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter.
Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs.
#7 Posted by Urstruly on August 31, 2007 8:27:52 am
One of the best from Dr. Israr Ahmad in todays newspaper:
http://www.jang-group.com/jang/aug2007-daily/31-08-2007/col7.htm
Refreing to the bulldogs of west like Musharaf and proxy ruling elite in Muslim lands, who is the custodian of Western colonial interests, he writes:
"It is quite unfortunate that if on one hand American and western aggression on Muslim lands is akin to the wrath of God upon us but on the other hand the greater curse upon us is the pro-American Muslim rulers who oppress us. They are no more than puppets whose strings are pulled elsewhere. These rulers would go to any length to please their master pharoah Bush. In fact these rulers are so fervent in pleasing their master that their condition can be described in this couplet:
mera yeh haal boot ki toe chat-ta hoon maiN
unka yeh hukum daikh meray farash par na reeng
translation: (Look at me how fervently) I lick the toes of their boots.
And (look at them) they order me not to crawl on their floor.
#8 Posted by IB on August 31, 2007 8:31:30 am
Re: # 7 Uncle Urstruely ..
Same Doctor Israr - is against women rule / against hudood laws.. etc..
Same Doctor Israr - is against women rule / against hudood laws.. etc..
#9 Posted by Urstruly on August 31, 2007 8:36:53 am
Re: # 8
The criterion of judgement of what Dr Israr says is not Dr Israr's person, but whether what he says is according to Qura'n and Sunnah or not.
The criterion of judgement of what Dr Israr says is not Dr Israr's person, but whether what he says is according to Qura'n and Sunnah or not.
#10 Posted by hamidm2 on August 31, 2007 8:55:37 am
Re: # 7
an impotent man always curses the woman for his inadequacies ....
an impotent man always curses the woman for his inadequacies ....
#11 Posted by echoboom on August 31, 2007 9:10:27 am
It is indeed a very positive sign that CHOWK was infested with the Oooons ever since its inception and even until a couple of years ago.
AlhamduLillah, now even the use of the "S" word has gone the way of the dodo. The Ooons have been defanged & "mulla. "maulana", & "maulvi" now just cannot be used as terms of sneer & derision.
Waliking talking & eulogising Westoxicated behaviour as "glamorous" & a sign of being parRhha likhha has joined the ranks of Dinausars. Hijab DarhHee Shalwaar are truly the ones who just as they excelled in SCiences & arts & always were the top-mark getters are agin on top whether in the east or in the west.
Some remnants of the toata-mainaa system are still languishing in corporation in the kind of jobs which a fifth grader can run very efficiently. Is Maulana Sattar Edhi not running an empire so successfully without a "Management" training from the strip-teased & Pimped institutions
AlhamduLillah, now even the use of the "S" word has gone the way of the dodo. The Ooons have been defanged & "mulla. "maulana", & "maulvi" now just cannot be used as terms of sneer & derision.
Waliking talking & eulogising Westoxicated behaviour as "glamorous" & a sign of being parRhha likhha has joined the ranks of Dinausars. Hijab DarhHee Shalwaar are truly the ones who just as they excelled in SCiences & arts & always were the top-mark getters are agin on top whether in the east or in the west.
Some remnants of the toata-mainaa system are still languishing in corporation in the kind of jobs which a fifth grader can run very efficiently. Is Maulana Sattar Edhi not running an empire so successfully without a "Management" training from the strip-teased & Pimped institutions
#12 Posted by hamidm2 on August 31, 2007 9:36:02 am
Re: # 11
..... do you mean "Sex" ?? ......... astagfirullah! .. speak for yourself
..... do you mean "Sex" ?? ......... astagfirullah! .. speak for yourself
#13 Posted by Naqshbandi on August 31, 2007 9:57:13 am
a very promising article which promised a lot--gave fascinating tidbits of info. --but did not deliver enough. Those days when the Ayatollah ripped the heart out of the shameless Shah and his plans --which were really US plans--for the Mid East --are a momentous chapter in world history and it'd be great to learn more from a person who was there.
Meanwhile I'd recommend Khomeini's biography by Baqer Moin: Life of the Ayatollah.
I disagree with Khomeini's creed -- I am a Sunni -- but his achievement is memorable and worth using as a template for others in similar situations. The question is, where is such a Sunni alim willing to enter politics?
Meanwhile I'd recommend Khomeini's biography by Baqer Moin: Life of the Ayatollah.
I disagree with Khomeini's creed -- I am a Sunni -- but his achievement is memorable and worth using as a template for others in similar situations. The question is, where is such a Sunni alim willing to enter politics?
#14 Posted by dullabhatti on August 31, 2007 10:32:09 am
tariq saab, a very good read. I wish you gave more details about day to day life during those times.
as for Bala Lahori...I have heard his shairs quoted by Sikh preachers many a time...no doubt he is favorite of religious nuts of all kinds.
as for Bala Lahori...I have heard his shairs quoted by Sikh preachers many a time...no doubt he is favorite of religious nuts of all kinds.
#15 Posted by Naqshbandi on August 31, 2007 11:21:00 am
Nishan e mard e momin man ba tu goyam:
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
--Hazrat e Iqbal rahmatullah alayhi.
I suppose the kanjaroons won't get it...
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
--Hazrat e Iqbal rahmatullah alayhi.
I suppose the kanjaroons won't get it...
#16 Posted by dullabhatti on August 31, 2007 11:38:50 am
Nishan e mard e momin man ba tu goyam:
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
-----
explaination:
jadon mard shehar jaye, ohda nishana ay baar labay te rajj ke pee'ay.
:)
but mullahoons will never lighten up and reach to the hidden mysteries of Balay's poetry.:-)
Marg aayad, tabassum bar lab e oost!
-----
explaination:
jadon mard shehar jaye, ohda nishana ay baar labay te rajj ke pee'ay.
:)
but mullahoons will never lighten up and reach to the hidden mysteries of Balay's poetry.:-)
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