Please back off, Benazir!

Masadi mian,

Don't count yourself so lucky.

I see that you've still not responded with a single piece of fact or evidence and have just repeated your abuse. I also understand you were fired from your job from being an incompetent nincumpoop .... which is clear from the way you've argued here.

When you grow up in a million years and read a few books for the first time in your life... you will realise that the man you respect as much as your dad ... Mr Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was busy fudging the Presidential Election 1965 to make the US-Backed Military dictator Ayub Khan .. against Fatima Jinnah (Thats right the sister of Mahomed Ali Jinnah) who had managed to unite all of Pakistan and all of the various factions.... including people like Wali Khan... against the dictator and would have won the election hands down.

Then came Zulfikar Ali Bhutto who made several underhanded deals to bolster his imperialist masters.

Contrary to popular opinion ... ZAB did not empower the people... Fatima Jinnah did ... and did so because she was the sister of the one man whose integrity and selfless devotion was beyond question. Toadies like ZAB - Ayub Khan's B-Team- were thorougly anti-people though he did benefit from Fatima Jinnah's movement later on.

Long Live the Masadi and HP friendship for social justice!

Thanks for your patience HP, but some scores needed to be settled on Chowk, the High Priest of the church of MAJ is on the run (maybe on a motorbike) like Mullah Omar. That Church has been routed on Chowk, the people of this nation are waking up to a new day, where the old idols that had kept them enslaved will crumble....

Long live the brave people of India and Pakistan (not the perverts who have sold their souls to the West and want to enslave them). Long live the toiling masses of the Third World, those that give new meaning to human perseverance, and may the Immoral US elite, those that have degraded to the lowest of the low, perish in their greed....

In response to okhla's constant copy pastes based on lies about me which he has invented and pastes in most child like fashion because he cannot apporach intellectually what I write, let me reporduce one of the responses to the same post that he has now made from some weeks back:

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#83 Posted by masadi on August 18, 2007 12:07:12 pm
The raving lunatic Okhla is lying about everything (except chowk censoring my articles) in the below reproduced BS diatribe, in fact it is quite pathetic that idiots like him have to invent bs to discredit my quite well established, well argued posts....like Madani sahib said these bastar** are just jealous because they cannot approach my posts except by inventing lies. Btw nobody deported me from the US or fired me from any US university, I came back to Pakistan of my own volition, away from the land of cheerful morons like okhla, slaves yet happy in their enslavement....Now go eff off okhla....

(Quote)Hugo Chavez hopes that the representatives of the rich classes or the “Oilgarchies”of Venezuela and the American rulers will respect the democratic decisions. But this fact is also well known that today the most prominent flag bearers of democracy are the biggest enemies of democracy.

In the second anniversary of the failure of the April 11, 2002 coup along with thousands of Venezuelan masses a hundred and fifty foreign delegates also participated. Speaking on the occasion the People’s Party member of the National Assembly Chaudhry Manzoor Ahmed drew the analogy of the present situation in Venezuela with the political revolution of 1968-69 in Pakistan. He said that the People’s Party became the largest party in the country’s history almost overnight on the basis of its anti-imperialist, anti-feudal and anti-capitalist founding manifesto. But the Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto government while remaining within the confines of this system tried to carry out reforms against this system through the bureaucracy and hence failed. Due to the failure of fulfilling the tasks posed by a revolutionary political situation it was ultimately overthrown. Martial Law was imposed and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was hanged at the gallows. On this occasion Manzoor Ahmed also read out a quotation from a page of the last book of Bhutto’s memoirs in which Bhutto had confessed his own responsibility in reaching this fate, that he had not paid enough attention to the contradictions in the interests of different classes. Manzoor Ahmed drew another analogy between Chavez and Bhutto: that both of them faced extreme hostility from the media that is in the control of the rich classes.

It is considered that the centre of anti-Chavez activities is the American Embassy in Venezuela. In the whole of Latin America a famous joke circulates that there is no military coup in the United States because there is no American Embassy in America. (end quote)http://www.handsoffvenezuela.org/munoo_bhai_pakistan_venezuela_4.htm

In #231 read "Not only land reform by making sure that Pakistani industry was used for indigeneous benefit "

as "Not only land reform but making sure that Pakistani industry was used for indigeneous benefit

tahmed writes "masadi: OK, dont take the word of one man. Tell me this: After 7 years as prime minister, was landlordism reduced in any significant manner in Pakistan? If not, what does this say about ZAB's commitment to improving the lot of the poor in Pakistan."

The most significant aspect of it was that instead of doing "land reform" by slogan as Ayyub, which allowed large land holding to remain with landowners, he reduced the land holdings allowed per private party and did implement it but opposition was such that it could only be done incrementally, he was not king of Pakistan that he could ignore the shenanigans of power and move a magic wand. What 1977 does show is his continued dedcation to further land reform by reducing the ceiling yet further to maximum land held per private owner. Not only land reform by making sure that Pakistani industry was used for indigeneous benefit by not whoring it to profit makers and blood suckers was something else he managed to achieve. Your nonsense against him cannot take away from the fact that he was a leader of Herculean proportions the likes of which have seldom emerged in the neo colonial era...

Robert Fisk: Strange goings-on here in Lebanon ...Published:01 September 2007

Stories that just don't seem to make it into print.


Did you know that the Hizbollah "Party of God" has installed its own private communications network in the south of Lebanon, stretching from the village of Zawter Sharqiya all the way to Beirut? And why, I wonder, would it be doing that? Well, to safeguard its phones in the event that the Israelis immobilise the public mobile system in the next war. Next war? Well, if there's not going to be another war in Lebanon, why is Hizbollah building new roads north of the Litani river, new bunkers, new logistics far outside the area of operations of the Nato-led UN peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon?

Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, Hizbollah's leader, boasts of new weapons. The Lebanese suspect that these include anti-aircraft missiles. If this is true – and many Lebanese who have spent their lives under Israel's cruel air attacks, assaults which have often been war crimes, hope it is – then the next war will be anticipated with dark but keen anxiety. Since the Israeli army is incapable of fighting the Hizbollah on its own ground – its collapse when faced by Hizbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon last year proved this – what happens if their awesome air power is also neutered?
Fouad Siniora, the Lebanese prime minister, ensconced in his little "green zone" in the old Turkish serail, can do little to alter the course of this coming battle. Supplied with bombs by the Americans so that the Lebanese army can continue to blast its way through the Palestinian Nahr el-Bared refugee camp – one of the most uncovered stories of the Middle East year – his government can do no more than wonder at the resistance of the ruthless non-Hizbollah Islamist insurgents who are still holding out there. The US ambassador watches approvingly as the Lebanese army continues to "advance" amid strongholds and bunkers at a cost of almost 140 soldiers' lives although, after four months of "advancing" – as one western NGO remarked to me a few days ago – they might soon, at this rate, reach Cyprus.
One can only reflect on how the US ambassador to Tel Aviv reacts when the Americans supply bombs to the Israelis which are then used on the Palestinians of Gaza. Weapons are always available to blast away at the Palestinians.
This is Fouad Siniora's predicament as Hizbollah tries to destroy his government and prevent the election of a non- partisan president next month. Locked into Washington's embrace as the latest Arab country to prove the spread of George Bush's fantastical version of democracy in the Middle East, powerless in a country where the only functioning institution is now the Lebanese army, the prime minister finds himself on America's side in the "war on terror" against Hizbollah's mentors in Iran. All Hizbollah needed now, poor old Fouad was quoted as saying the other day, was "a composer for a national anthem of their own".
But there are other fears creating shadows in Lebanon. One of them is the sectarianism of Iraq. Lebanon's Shias and Sunnis and Christians all have friends and family in Iraq. Many have visited their loved ones who have appeared amid the Iraqi refugee masses that have poured into neighbouring Damascus. For their care, of course, the Syrians have received not a scintilla of gratitude from the Americans who were responsible for creating the hell-disaster of Iraq in the first place. It's worth comparing the vital statistics (though not on CNN or Fox News): Syria has accepted almost one and a half million Iraqi refugees – caring for them, providing them with welfare and free hospital services – while Washington, when it isn't cursing Iraq's prime minister, has accepted a measly 800 Iraqis.
And Lebanon? No one realises that this tiny Arab country has accepted 50,000 Iraqis since the great refugee exodus began. Of course, the Shia Iraqis have moved into the Shia southern suburbs (home of Hizbollah), the Sunni into Sunni areas of Beirut and Sidon, the Christians into Christian east Beirut and the Metn hills. And because the Lebanese have always called the Iraqis brothers and sisters, there has been no friction between the different Iraqi groups – and this is truly wondrous because only last January, Lebanon's Shia and Sunni youths were stoning each other in their thousands in the streets of Beirut.
So what else do the Americans have up their sleeve for us out here? Well, an old chum of mine in the Deep South – a former US Vietnam veteran officer – has a habit of tramping through the hills to the north of his home and writes to me that "in my therapeutic and recreation trips ... in the mountains of North Carolina over the last two weeks, I've noticed a lot of F-16 and C-130 activity. They are coming right through the passes, low to the ground. The last time I saw this kind of thing up there was before Bosnia, Kosovo, and Afghanistan".
That was in early August. Two weeks later, my friend wrote again. "There were a few (more) C-130 passes... I know that some 75th Rangers have just moved out of their home base and that manoeuvres have gone on in areas that have been used... in the past before assaults utilizing [sic] aircraft guided by small numbers of special operations people."
And then comes the cruncher in my friend's letter. "I think that the Bush administration is looking for something to distract Americans before the mid-September report on progress in Iraq. And I believe that the pressure is building to do something about the sanctuaries for the Taliban and foreign fighters along the Pakistan/Afghanistan border..."

A few days after my friend's letter arrived in Beirut, the Pakistanis reported that the Americans were using pilotless drones to attack targets just inside Pakistan. But it seems much more ambitious military plans may now be in the works. An all-out strike inside the North West Frontier province before President Pervez Musharref steps down – or is overthrown? A last throw of the dice at Bin Laden before "democracy" returns to Pakistan?
Stand by for more disasters – from Pakistan to the shores of the Mediterranean. But don't expect to hear about them in advance.

RE:#227 tahmded32 wrote:

"And indeed, by bringing the flourishing Pakistan economy of the early 1960's to its knees, ZAB in fact made things much worse for the poor."

Is it remotely possible that the 1971 war and the loss of
East Pakistan had a little bit more to do with Pakistan's
economic problems than ZAB? The opening up of passports
and labor export to the Middle East certainly helped the poor of Pakistan.

and tahmed added..

"I used to see his children being driven in a limousine with the prime minister's insignia on it to the International School in Islamabad every morning, even as he went about nationalizing schools in Pakistan."

That is standard PM/Presidential protocol. I went to the
same school as ZAB's kids in Karachi. They used to arrive
in an old car but with a driver (no Limo).
True, his school nationalization did not work. But his attempt to provide free universal education to Pakistanis
was a step in the right direction.

and

"The man was as fake as his deal-hungry daughter."

The man was no fake. He was an intellectual giant with a
precarious emotional streak that did not help matters. To
this day a huge number of Pakistanis remember him with respect and vote for his daughter in his name. She still
heads the largest political party in Pakistan, in spite
of opposition from people like yourself. They know something about fakes...

Like I said before, I do not agree with most of what you write but please continue to add your energy to CHOWK as
often as possible. Pakistan's future will be decided by
a new generation of leaders. I believe that Benazir Bhutto understands that too (her comments to Omar Khan on GEO.

Ras

White faced liar Masadi.

Your #220 is pure BS. Try to answer the questions raised in #190. Try like a man.

1. Why did you return to Pakistan from US?
Was it not because the University simply refused to keep you any longer?? What is
the BS that you expect us to believe on this account? Come on. Answer like a man. No
hedging. The real complete truth.
2. Why are your articles consistently rejected by Chowk? Is it because the rest of the
world consists of intellects decidedly inferior to yours?
3. Why were you chased out of faithfreedom.org by Ali Sina? All your insane "theories"
were demolished in a flurry of logical arguments.
4. Why are all your books not published by any real publisher except the legendary
"Lulu.com"? McGraw Hill, Springer-Verlag, Prentice Hall etc are all purveyors of Bull-
crap as you had one time boasted. Do you still stand by what you had said then?

We at Chowk are willing to tolerate you. Up to a point. But we will not hesitate to weild the stick, like Ali Sina, like the US University which kicked you out or like Chowk editors who must have rejected over a hundred Masadi articles by now...

I stand by every word of #190. And every word above.

So come on Masadi. Turn on that brilliant intellect. Refute my questions with truth.
Or stay shut.

And then you have the gall to shove abuses towards all and sundry.

Ras: I agree to the extent that ZAB gets credit for making poverty an issue (see my post below to hamidm). The point I am making is that, having raised hopes, he did nothing about it once he came to power (and significantly, the waderaism with all its accompanying evils - private jails and oppression of the haris, continued unchecked in his native Sindh throughout the seven years of his rule and to this day). And indeed, by bringing the flourishing Pakistan economy of the early 1960's to its knees, ZAB in fact made things much worse for the poor. I used to see his children being driven in a limousine with the prime minister's insignia on it to the International School in Islamabad every morning, even as he went about nationalizing schools in Pakistan. The man was as fake as his deal-hungry daughter.

Re: # 224 What the main street is saying is correct but slogans should be moderated and decent.

RE: # 221 rozaiba:

I am tired of politics in general but will attempt to
put something together (I cannot promise when). It was
a time in my life that I want to forget (and have almost
succeeded). I loved living in Bengal and the Bengali people.


RE: 222 tahmed32

I know that your request was not directed towards me but
all that one can say is that ZAB made quite an impact on
the common man of Pakistan who for the first time realized
that he/she was somebody to reckon with. The rest of the
story you know better than us. I may not often agree with your views but continue to respect your contribution to CHOWK.

Echoboom #224: You are beyond help....
Please visit Phajjas and food street while in Lahore.
And for some old fashioned decadence......


Ras

The Kanjaroons have finally been recognised & are being outed on the street.

Maader-RATES, Maader-RUNS & roshan-khayali-pulaaO time is coming to an end

FULL report here:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/tariq_ali/2007/08/sinking_together.ht ml
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"Peopl e's Party de ballay, ballay / ade kanjar, ade dallay" (Marvel at the People Party / half-whore and half-pimp)
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Th e mood among sections of the street - I am currently in Lahore - is summed up in a cruel taunt: "People's Party de ballay, ballay / ade kanjar, ade dallay" (Marvel at the People Party / half-whore and half-pimp). This is slightly unfair and could apply to all the Muslim Leagues as well. The fact is that people are disgusted with politics and see politicians as crooks out to make money and feed the greed of the networks they patronise and which double up as useful vote banks.

Re: # 221

"It was a victory for the feudal-fundo-fauji nexus/TRINITY of the West Pakistan elite who could now offset the challenges by eliminating 90% of the middle class vote".

Very well said dear Rozaiba!

The hope of the middle class lies today with the lawyers' movement for restoration of rule of law, justice and the constitution.

masadi: OK, dont take the word of one man. Tell me this: After 7 years as prime minister, was landlordism reduced in any significant manner in Pakistan? If not, what does this say about ZAB's commitment to improving the lot of the poor in Pakistan.