Mushy is Done!

I agree that the supreme court has done a phenomenal job in pulling off a david vs goliath like victory which everyone can and should applaud. Before we fall all over ourselves with glee lets remind each other that either BB or NZ are going to be back in power soon ....the same rats whose demise we all celebrated not so long. Have the rascals turned into messiahs just because Mush is the more recently discredited politican in Pakistan? Are we really saved yet?
Our only hope is if the supreme court continues to fight oppression, feudalism, misogyny, corruption and nepotism (oops) with the same diligence as it fought dictatorship. Otherwise we have less than nothing to celebrate.

how can u be so smart n bridge at the same time?

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Until & Unless Fauji Foundation & Bahria are dismantled, NLC
( national logistics cell) the ones who issued tenders without competetion for the bridge that was constructed 3 weeks a ago & collapsed & until & Unless all Cantonment Kuttaas Kennels called DEfense & Until &n Unless the Cantonment & Colonies are not turned over to those selling meat & groceries [the hardworking dhoti shalwaar huqquaa paan-wallaas, with mullah-looks] & at the ORIGINAL prices...

Until & Unless

Ever sign & trace of Western "culture" must be eradicated to make the land Paak again.

NOTHING will change.

www.timesonline.com

NOOSE IS GETTING TIGHTER
From The Sunday Times
September 2, 2007
How the West summoned up a nuclear nightmare in Pakistan
Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark reveal how misguided deals with Pakistan have created a terrifying threat of nuclear terrorism

General Pervez Musharraf was surprised. Visiting New York for a session of the UN, the last thing the Pakistani president expected was to be confronted with evidence of his country’s secret sales of nuclear bomb technology and equipment to members of the “axis of evil”.

Yet here on the polished wooden table of Musharraf’s hotel suite, George Tenet, director of the CIA, was laying out a sheaf of incriminating evidence.

There were intricate drawings of Pakistan’s P-1 uranium-enrich-ing centrifuge, with part numbers, dates and signatures. And there were details of the activities of Abdul Qadeer “A Q” Khan, the so-called Father of the Pakistani Bomb: his travels around the world, bank statements, even paperwork showing what his organisation had offered for sale and to which countries.

A senior Musharraf aide described it disingenuously as “the most embarrassing moment in the president’s life” – not because of the evidence but because he had felt Pakistan was on a long leash as it was integral to the Americans’ war on terror.

boom boom chacha i agree..but that wont happen w/out bloodshed..r we ready 4 that as a nation? thats the million dollar question

echo sahab but eastern culture has come up with its own damaging b.s too no?
i say we wipe out all culture from pakistan then and let it be bloody and let the only people survive who will allow other people to live in peace and justice for ALL regardless of gender, religion and economics.

Clifton i think u just suggested islamic-sharia..madina shtyle

:) yes, the principle of it ...to match the reality of a different age !!

(regardless of gender, religion and economics)

i often call myself new -islamist !

You can sugar-coat anyway u like but ur invisible beard is comin thru loud n clear..kindda like imran khan...ohhhh ohhh..houston we have a problem

Author " will our political jokers from all diverse background provide him and the Army once more an opportunity to rule by proxy? "


Any future politician in Pakistan does not have a choice. The army will run the country by proxy - that is the way the NSC has been designed. They have the final say in all legislation and policy implementation.

So people do jump up and down. Pakistan will be run by proxy and it will be the army which will stil be driving it.

Ahmer saab,

Pak army is a surrendering army, more than 300 hundred have surrendered to a few pahtuns. That is why the jihadis are recruited to fight , whether it is kargill or kashmir.
Pak army is called a latin army, created to rule the country ( except NWFP) but only paper tiger to the enemies. That si why pakistan keep talking about the bomb, and not far away future, uncle sam will de-nuke pakistan.

I liked the article and I quote

We as people must also decide once and for all that from now on, whenever our rulers and establishment get this craving for ‘jihad’ as they did in Afghanistan against Russia and in Kashmir than they must send in our Army first…..way before they start the recruitment of 14 old maddarasa boys. It’s Army’s job to fight wars, that’s what they get paid to do. Islam doesn’t ask peasants to go for jihad while the rulers and the Army are playing golf in pindi. Hundreds upon thousands of Pakistani laymen, poor villagers’, teenage boys from maddarsas lost their lives in the war in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

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After hearing the lies and make believes of tahmed and YLH, good to hear some truth from a pakistani. Good luck to you

Post 1 clifton,

Expecting the court to correct anything is tantamount to corruption by the courts, they should interpret the law and that is it. Expecting the courts to politicise teh law will take pakistan no where, the executive will not implement the court orders and that will be the end of court as well.

The entire pak society has no faith in the laws primarily because there are multiple laws, the hoodood and teh civil law co-exist. Take the case of mukatarn mai, because there was so much of international attention, the rapists were sentenced, the sentence was not carried out, and the law requiring four male witnesses was not used, because mushy said so.

Pakistan is a failed state, where there is rule of law. Hence the courts are irrelevant. Take the case of nawaz, in any law it will be clear that a pak citizen has to be in pakistan, but so far no one would dare to go to court, because mushy would have directed the court other wise. Now the CJ is against mushy, the ruling is different.

Re: # 4

echoboom,

"Ever sign & trace of Western "culture" must be eradicated to make the land Paak again"

what do you want us to do ? ........

... stop using toothpaste and deodrant? start marrying off our nine year old daughters to fifty old year men? start slaughtering infidel prisoners? cut off the hands of little children for stealing a pencil? squat like women instead of standing up and peeing like real men? stop using utensils and start eating with our hands like uncouth madrasis? stop using toilet paper and play with our own feces? start drinking fermented camel's milk instead of beer and wine ? ( i will support this!) have casual sex with our son's wife and group sex with a herd of concubines? set fire to video stores and pour lead into the ears of those who listen to music? start shaving our testicles instead of our faces ? (ouch!)

........... what is it that you would have us do ?????

echoboom's islamic values :

"NYALA, Sudan, Aug. 28 — Some of the same Arab tribes accused of massacring civilians in the Darfur region of Sudan are now unleashing their considerable firepower against one another in a battle over the spoils of war that is killing hundreds of people and displacing tens of thousands."

Muzammil,

The dictator has not left yet, but will most probably have to leave. If and when that happens politics as usual will govern Pakistan. And one should expect that, at least for the short run. A revolution in the day to day working of Pakistan should not be expected. For this is dangerous.

At least on the surface, this potential change has been possible because of a small section of the population - the lawyers and possibly due to the US leash. Below the surface, there is a growing concern amongst the unwashed masses to be governed according to their own wishes. Till now this wish has been articulated by a set of hetrogenous religious sentiments. For now it is just a wish. It is important that wish, irrespective of how it is articulated, be given time to bloom.

Euphoric expectations like "democracy has finally returned and everything is going to be OK" is dangerous. For democracy has not even taken root and things are not going to be OK. As a result, such expectations are bound to come crashing down. The army will be waiting for precisely this moment.

Actually, one should pray that the Pakistani people are given an opportunity to fight and design a democratic civil society. Not with the help of the supreme court, imran khan or NS but by the unknowns ... the butcher, the grocery store owner, the teacher and yes the caretaker of the local mosque. No matter who rules, this process (which I believe has started) should not be checked. For this, Pakistanis should be patient and keep the army in their barracks. It will require some hardship in the short run .... I mean there will be corruption and young people from poor families will be sent off to fight someone elses jihad. But these are precisely the things that the blossoming civil societies have to revolt against .... not the restoration of some constitution that people barely know.