Mushy is Done!

I agree that the supreme court has done a phenomenal job in pulling off a david vs goliath like victory which everyone can and should applaud. Before we fall all over ourselves with glee lets remind each other that either BB or NZ are going to be back in power soon ....the same rats whose demise we all celebrated not so long. Have the rascals turned into messiahs just because Mush is the more recently discredited politican in Pakistan? Are we really saved yet?
Our only hope is if the supreme court continues to fight oppression, feudalism, misogyny, corruption and nepotism (oops) with the same diligence as it fought dictatorship. Otherwise we have less than nothing to celebrate.

how can u be so smart n bridge at the same time?

? :)

Until & Unless Fauji Foundation & Bahria are dismantled, NLC
( national logistics cell) the ones who issued tenders without competetion for the bridge that was constructed 3 weeks a ago & collapsed & until & Unless all Cantonment Kuttaas Kennels called DEfense & Until &n Unless the Cantonment & Colonies are not turned over to those selling meat & groceries [the hardworking dhoti shalwaar huqquaa paan-wallaas, with mullah-looks] & at the ORIGINAL prices...

Until & Unless

Ever sign & trace of Western "culture" must be eradicated to make the land Paak again.

NOTHING will change.

www.timesonline.com

NOOSE IS GETTING TIGHTER
From The Sunday Times
September 2, 2007
How the West summoned up a nuclear nightmare in Pakistan
Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark reveal how misguided deals with Pakistan have created a terrifying threat of nuclear terrorism

General Pervez Musharraf was surprised. Visiting New York for a session of the UN, the last thing the Pakistani president expected was to be confronted with evidence of his country’s secret sales of nuclear bomb technology and equipment to members of the “axis of evil”.

Yet here on the polished wooden table of Musharraf’s hotel suite, George Tenet, director of the CIA, was laying out a sheaf of incriminating evidence.

There were intricate drawings of Pakistan’s P-1 uranium-enrich-ing centrifuge, with part numbers, dates and signatures. And there were details of the activities of Abdul Qadeer “A Q” Khan, the so-called Father of the Pakistani Bomb: his travels around the world, bank statements, even paperwork showing what his organisation had offered for sale and to which countries.

A senior Musharraf aide described it disingenuously as “the most embarrassing moment in the president’s life” – not because of the evidence but because he had felt Pakistan was on a long leash as it was integral to the Americans’ war on terror.

boom boom chacha i agree..but that wont happen w/out bloodshed..r we ready 4 that as a nation? thats the million dollar question

echo sahab but eastern culture has come up with its own damaging b.s too no?
i say we wipe out all culture from pakistan then and let it be bloody and let the only people survive who will allow other people to live in peace and justice for ALL regardless of gender, religion and economics.

Clifton i think u just suggested islamic-sharia..madina shtyle

:) yes, the principle of it ...to match the reality of a different age !!

(regardless of gender, religion and economics)

i often call myself new -islamist !

You can sugar-coat anyway u like but ur invisible beard is comin thru loud n clear..kindda like imran khan...ohhhh ohhh..houston we have a problem

Author " will our political jokers from all diverse background provide him and the Army once more an opportunity to rule by proxy? "


Any future politician in Pakistan does not have a choice. The army will run the country by proxy - that is the way the NSC has been designed. They have the final say in all legislation and policy implementation.

So people do jump up and down. Pakistan will be run by proxy and it will be the army which will stil be driving it.

Ahmer saab,

Pak army is a surrendering army, more than 300 hundred have surrendered to a few pahtuns. That is why the jihadis are recruited to fight , whether it is kargill or kashmir.
Pak army is called a latin army, created to rule the country ( except NWFP) but only paper tiger to the enemies. That si why pakistan keep talking about the bomb, and not far away future, uncle sam will de-nuke pakistan.

I liked the article and I quote

We as people must also decide once and for all that from now on, whenever our rulers and establishment get this craving for ‘jihad’ as they did in Afghanistan against Russia and in Kashmir than they must send in our Army first…..way before they start the recruitment of 14 old maddarasa boys. It’s Army’s job to fight wars, that’s what they get paid to do. Islam doesn’t ask peasants to go for jihad while the rulers and the Army are playing golf in pindi. Hundreds upon thousands of Pakistani laymen, poor villagers’, teenage boys from maddarsas lost their lives in the war in Afghanistan and Kashmir.

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After hearing the lies and make believes of tahmed and YLH, good to hear some truth from a pakistani. Good luck to you

Post 1 clifton,

Expecting the court to correct anything is tantamount to corruption by the courts, they should interpret the law and that is it. Expecting the courts to politicise teh law will take pakistan no where, the executive will not implement the court orders and that will be the end of court as well.

The entire pak society has no faith in the laws primarily because there are multiple laws, the hoodood and teh civil law co-exist. Take the case of mukatarn mai, because there was so much of international attention, the rapists were sentenced, the sentence was not carried out, and the law requiring four male witnesses was not used, because mushy said so.

Pakistan is a failed state, where there is rule of law. Hence the courts are irrelevant. Take the case of nawaz, in any law it will be clear that a pak citizen has to be in pakistan, but so far no one would dare to go to court, because mushy would have directed the court other wise. Now the CJ is against mushy, the ruling is different.

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echoboom,

"Ever sign & trace of Western "culture" must be eradicated to make the land Paak again"

what do you want us to do ? ........

... stop using toothpaste and deodrant? start marrying off our nine year old daughters to fifty old year men? start slaughtering infidel prisoners? cut off the hands of little children for stealing a pencil? squat like women instead of standing up and peeing like real men? stop using utensils and start eating with our hands like uncouth madrasis? stop using toilet paper and play with our own feces? start drinking fermented camel's milk instead of beer and wine ? ( i will support this!) have casual sex with our son's wife and group sex with a herd of concubines? set fire to video stores and pour lead into the ears of those who listen to music? start shaving our testicles instead of our faces ? (ouch!)

........... what is it that you would have us do ?????

echoboom's islamic values :

"NYALA, Sudan, Aug. 28 — Some of the same Arab tribes accused of massacring civilians in the Darfur region of Sudan are now unleashing their considerable firepower against one another in a battle over the spoils of war that is killing hundreds of people and displacing tens of thousands."

Muzammil,

The dictator has not left yet, but will most probably have to leave. If and when that happens politics as usual will govern Pakistan. And one should expect that, at least for the short run. A revolution in the day to day working of Pakistan should not be expected. For this is dangerous.

At least on the surface, this potential change has been possible because of a small section of the population - the lawyers and possibly due to the US leash. Below the surface, there is a growing concern amongst the unwashed masses to be governed according to their own wishes. Till now this wish has been articulated by a set of hetrogenous religious sentiments. For now it is just a wish. It is important that wish, irrespective of how it is articulated, be given time to bloom.

Euphoric expectations like "democracy has finally returned and everything is going to be OK" is dangerous. For democracy has not even taken root and things are not going to be OK. As a result, such expectations are bound to come crashing down. The army will be waiting for precisely this moment.

Actually, one should pray that the Pakistani people are given an opportunity to fight and design a democratic civil society. Not with the help of the supreme court, imran khan or NS but by the unknowns ... the butcher, the grocery store owner, the teacher and yes the caretaker of the local mosque. No matter who rules, this process (which I believe has started) should not be checked. For this, Pakistanis should be patient and keep the army in their barracks. It will require some hardship in the short run .... I mean there will be corruption and young people from poor families will be sent off to fight someone elses jihad. But these are precisely the things that the blossoming civil societies have to revolt against .... not the restoration of some constitution that people barely know.

GT,

..... like everyone else, i too love democracy and all this other nonsense, but nobody - not the lawyers, bb, ns or the abominable mullahs - has been able to explain what good democracy is going to do for abdul and his miserable clan ....... will he be able to afford two square meals a day, education for his children, a roof over his head and a pot to piss in once these yahoos come into power ?.......... how come no one is talking about their economic platform, their eduaction policy and other things that really matter ?........ why should abdul vote for them ?.....

......... democracy is a good thing, but as far as abdul is concerned it is like a suppository - it might make him feel good for a while, but it will still leave him as hungry as gandhiji after an enema .......


p.s. this morning gul zaman, the cook, and i agreed that we should vote for nawaz sharif because benazir is a bitch who cannot be trusted ........ actually, i take sole responsibility for the 'b' word - gul zaman is a proud khattk who would rather kill a woman before he abuses her .... of course, he will still vote for maulana fazloo because of spiritual reasons

hamidm2,

So, you are in Pakistan? How are things going?

You are right on the dot. Country level policies are important or understandable only if local politics have some say in their formulation. What can poor BB or NS say - apart from the usual roti, kapda aur makan crap. They have little idea about micro needs and hence have little time to worry obout innovative implementable policies.

It is interesting to know that you have been unable to change gul zaman's vote!

Hamidm2:17
democracy is a good thing, but as far as abdul is concerned it is like a suppository - it might make him feel good for a while, but it will still leave him as hungry as gandhiji after an enema .......
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Good one.

Gandhijis enemas had nothing to do with hunger. He enjoyed his enemas even during his maran barats.

He was also quite adept at dispensing enemas to those who were near & dear to him.

This was his answer to India's starving millions...feed them intra-anusly!

GT,

.... it takes about a week in pakistan to figure out that gul zaman and the vast majority of the people are fucked and will be left bending over and holding their ankles regardless of who comes to power ....

.........actually, gul zaman is lucky to have a roof over his head even though he gets a little wet when the rain blows into his verandah .... looking at the 'accomodation available' ads in the local paper it is clear that at least i cannot afford to rent a house in islamabad where an 'upper portion' in a not-so-nice neighborhood like G/11 costs 50,000 rupees a month and a two bedroom apartment in the diplomatic enclave is advertised at US $1800 a month with a year's rent in advance ........ and i am still suffering from whiplash after reading that a 'real' house with an 'american kitchen' in E/7 is going for 400,000 rupees a month ! .......... mrs hamidm and i have decided that we cannot afford to live in pakistan on an american income and are doomed to live with white people and urstruly for the rest of our lives!

..... anyway, after coming back from lunch with imran khan at the serena, which cost me 2900 plus a 300 tip (which, according to my lunch mate was entirely too much and can result in disturbing the delicate social order), i decided to give gul zaman two crisp new 5000 rupee notes so that he could also take his family for lunch at the serena ......... he was a little suspicious of the whole thing and i can understand why - he had never seen a 5000 rupee note before since he only makes about 3000 a month (plus roti, a new shalwar kameez on eid and the use of the verandah)........ anyway, the thought of handling so much money scared the poor man and he promptly handed it over to his mistress for safe keeping until he goes back to his village near kohat .....

........ actually, i didn't really have lunch 'with' imran khan - he was sitting two tables over with some political types in crisp white shalwar kameezes and neatly coiffured hair (his hair looked the best) ...... at another table sat another group of political types - portly mullahs with wild beards and elaborate head-dresses who kept on eyeing the scandinavian looking blond at the next table as they licked their fingers and made disgusting noises like the animal who cannot be mentioned ....... imran khan walked over and sat down to talk to the blond who smiled ever so sweetly ....... it might be my imagination, but i can swear that he looked over at the mullahs and gave them the middle finger !......... the mullahs got up in disgust to wreak the wrath of god on the buffet ! ....... and even though i think imran khan is an idiot, the man earned my respect with the way he had the blond fawning all over him - her knees were like jello!

......... anyway, somewhere in the middle of my 300 rupee cup of espresso, i thought of gul zaman who makes me a cup of tea every morning .........he should really have lunch at the serana since he loves both cricket and maulana fazloo ......

Hamid mian, very touching story about Gul Zaman, in fact as discription goes, as storytelling goes, you do a masterful job (excuse me while I puke saying this, but it is true). Now please explain to Gul Zaman like you do to us here that it is his own bloody stupidity that keeps him down. Please tell him that you "sprinkler guy" can send his kids to harvard if he only works a few extra hours, so Gul Zaman should atleast be able to send them to Dr. Pervez Hoodbuoy for some Anti-Fazloo training? Wont you give his the nice tales about India IT miracles and the Pakistani "big shots" who turn a quick buck by selling their souls and the lives of the people to TNCs? Please shake him up a little instead of giving us these crocodile tears.

Were you not the one for no "public interference" in these matters of poverty and wealth, and were you not the one crying foul when I said that the political economy of the power state is rigged against the "Gul Zamans"? Or is it that you are developing some morals (let me puke while I say this, but it might be true), and are coming to recognize the true picture that exists in the global order of things.....Let us hope that you are or no amount of "Crisp Rs 5000 bills" will ever be able to save you. By the way, I might be in Islamabad by the middle of this month....would love to chat with Gul Zaman....on you, I'll pass...

In #21 read "Wont you give his the nice tales about India IT "

as

"Wont you give him the nice tales about India IT

Hamid writes "50,000 rupees a month and a two bedroom apartment in the diplomatic enclave is advertised at US $1800 a month with a year's rent in advance ........ and i am still suffering from whiplash after reading that a 'real' house with an 'american kitchen' in E/7 is going for 400,000 rupees a month ! .......... "

That "real" house would be on the scale of half a block in the US, those are "green zone" prices, that foreign contractors, mercinaries and agents, and those setting up safe-houses while claiming to work as school teachers gladly pay for and charge the Pakistani government or take out of the bribes they are giving them. Such is not the case in most of the country where cost of living is much lower than the US and the comparative standard much higher , and peanuts for people with incomes like you who fleece corporations based on lies. I pay under $200 a month for a one bedroom studio with a private kitchen and one car garage walk-in in one of the best areas in town, even after including utilities, something that would easily have cost $650 or so in the US and that also in a community and not an independant setting. 4 bedroom mansions with lush gardens are going for Rs 30K a month, i.e. less than what a one bedroom miserable apartment would cost in a not so large city of the US in a not so decent neighbourhood.....don't exaggerate...

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masadi mian,

........ my "sprinkler guy" story only applies to america where anyone can make it as long as they work hard (with the exception of a few sociologists, drug addicts and whinos) .....

.... actually, i do have some sprinkler guy type stories from pakistan as well ... why, just two saturdays ago i attended a wedding at the pindi pearl continental where the groom's father was a retired havaldar who made a small fortune scavenging and selling car parts at sultan's khoo (well).......the groom just finished his phd in engineering from england and is getting a package worth almost 3.5 lakh rupees from the hec to teach real stuff at a real university in pakistan (eat your heart out!) .......

......... but i will concede you a point - the 'system' in pakistan is stacked against poor gul zaman ........

Hamid writes "......... but i will concede you a point - the 'system' in pakistan is stacked against poor gul zaman ........ "

Complete the thought, the 'system' in Pakistan wasn't invented by the people of Pakistan, it was imposed by the colonials and their thugs (about one of whom we know very well), further it was strengthened by those that "inherited" global hegemony, using their occupation force that ensured that our institutions just like our people stayed beneath their feet. The one man who tried to go against that trend, and succeeded in mainstreaming social justice and the voice of the people was butchered in the most brutal fashion with the blessings of the US elite. Further the same pattern of wealth and poverty on a social level is seen in the US where even a greater amount of pattern study than the above has concluded class-intergenerational permanence. Develop some real morals, it is a good start, let us talk about the Gul Zamans of the world...

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masadi,

you idiot ! ......"4 bedroom mansions with lush gardens are going for Rs 30K a month" ..........i am not talking about lalamusa or mandi bahauddin ........

............ find me one in islamabad and i will pay you a finder's fee of 50K! ..... any half-way decent 4-bed house on a 12 marla plot in a rundown sector like G8 will run you at least 45K ....... anything on a kanal (600 yd) plot in f/10 will cost you at least twice that ......any house in f/8 or e/7 on a two kanal lot will run you at least 2-3 lakh a month (about US $4000) - my 3 kanal house in the us costs me half that much ! ......

.....almost everyone that i know has split the house in two to rent out the upper 'portion' - most cannot afford the luxury of a full house (or a wet verandah) ...... gul zaman is one of the lucky ones

masadi,

......... please call feroze and get a real job ...... and please don't tell me that i cannot hold an 'intellectual' discussion with you ......... who can, with a hemmaroidal and paranoid nutcase like you ?

a year ago, i disappeared from chowk and spent six months in pakistan, without pay.....basically meeting various people....and helping a friend write a book....

....after that visit, my calculation was that pakistan had had it....it was through....

...perhaps my analysis was off.....a big perhaps....there does seem to be some evolution.......there have been two occassions when pakistanis have come out in full force, in the past ten years.....

....the first was after the earthquake.....the respone was almost unprecedented, internationally........the second was to restore the chief justice.....this was, literally, unprecedented internationally.......

....i have never heard of a cj being reinstalled through a people's movement (perhaps because they never get kicked out like this).......but the people did come out, when the need arose.....

.......i have always felt if any progress is made in pakistan, it will not be from four areas: feudals, maulvis, weternised secularits and army........it has to be some other force.....

.....my bet has always been on lawyers and media.....and it turns out i was correct.......maybe the judiciary will revive pakistan, with the help of media.....

on a more positive note: there is big money to be made in pakistan in banking and telecom........more money than in usa.....

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romair mian,

"my bet has always been on lawyers and media.....and it turns out i was correct" ......... you are a bigger horse's patoot than masadi! ..... when and where did you make this bet, and how come nobody heard of it ?!.......

.... i can clearly remember you putting your money on musharraf and how he was the best thing since mo came out of his cave in meccca ....... then you went and on and on about imran khan and how he was going to be the next mahdi ..... i even remember your silly little tales about your family connections and your little inside stories about his tehreek ..... you live in a little fantasy world where you can tell the future after it has already happened !

........as arjun would say: give it up and go back to selling your "i love pakistan" t-shirts in new york .......... what a maroon !

chowk staff: please ban masadi and romair from chowk - they irritate me and give me gas ..........

hamidm sahib,

As a long time resident of E-7, I take exception to you portraying us as a filthy rich bunch who are detached from the poor people. We are in fact far more in touch with poor people than you give us credit for - each household in E-7 has on average three servants. Besides, there is more to us than just loads of money, we have real life issues too. Consider this:

One of the biggest issues that inhabitants of E-7 face is the shortage of servants. Growing up, I regularly heard of horror stories where, for example, a 10,000 rupees/month cook quit or moved to a different household, leaving his previous household in shambles and relegated to cooking their own food. Aunties in the neighborhood regularly exchange heart wrenching stories about "kaam chore noker". I still vividly recall the day when tragedy struck the house across from us - their driver had left for another better paying job just before the school year was to start! ~shudders~

On another issue, we had to fight tooth and nail with the CDA to ensure that no form of public transportation was allowed inside E-7 - except for the taxis. Apparently, a bus company realized that given the large number of servants and security personnel working in E-7, there was money to be made by starting a bus route inside E-7. Just the mere thought of diesel burning buses with shalwar kameez wearing servants hanging from doors was too offensive for the aesthetic sensibilities of residents. Alhamdolillah, we were successful, and now anyone who does not own the car has to walk all the way from Faisal Chowk to work in E-7.

To address the issue of security, the residents of E-7 hired an international consulting firm to form a strategy. The strategy advised residents that the best way to ensure complete security of E-7 was to rent at least one house per street to a federal minister. The federal minister inevitably comes with his army of guards, which helps ensure that not even a bird can steal anything from our gardens without coming in the notice of guards. Just to ensure there were no loopholes, we also went ahead and hired private guards who would sit all day in a wooden booth in front of our driveways. In fact, enough security personnel work in E-7 that we virtually have a security force the size of a small country!

Yes, our pride took a hit a few years ago when our most famous resident, Dr. AQ Khan was implicated in a nuclear armament smuggling ring. However, since then even more prominent international players have moved in. In fact, despite it being the smallest sector, E-7 has had a disproportionately large impact on the modern history, economics, and politics of Pakistan...with General Zia and Benazir its one time residents.

All this proud history and margalla hills high heaps of money has led to a unique elitist culture in E-7, whereby we dont even admit to having friends in other sectors...to say nothing about Pindi. In fact, we have unique enough culture that some extremists elements in E-7 are pushing for sovereignty. Imagine that!

"chowk staff: please ban masadi and romair from chowk - they irritate me and give me gas .......... "

oysters probably resent making pearls too...chowk staff had better not mess with a winning formula :) Hamid sahab you are the most entertaining thing ever, but what would you do for inspiration if chowk staff in a fit of self destruction did actually ban your muse?

As I have written earlier.

Romair writes the most humorous stuff on CHOWK. Hamid2 has rancour & bitterness in him...a no no for a GOOD humourist.

atif mian,

..... you always manage to bring a smile to my face :) .....you have a wonderful way with words ...... love your ilogs - keep them coming .......

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Boom boom chacha......Hamid Masih has always had a shitty life..he blames muslims for treating his bhangi father badly in raja bazar..n he's prolly right..bhangis r human beings too..they shouldnt be demonized for thier profession or their religion..but a whole religion especially the prophet can not be hold responsible for the way Hamid Masih was slapped around in his neighbourhood..i understand but if he don't put him in his place than he gets encouraged n that false sense of achievement is bad fo his therapy in real life..soo hamid masih know that i m mean 2 u for ur own good.

hamidm2 mian#: "as arjun would say: give it up and go back to selling your "i love pakistan" t-shirts in new york .......... "

....it is, truly, nay, very truly a sad day when a pakistani starts quoting indians.......

however, what can one say, if a pakistani starts quoting arjun?.......a very very truly sad day......is there even a word in the english dictionary to describe such an act....

.....i should simply stop here....but the night is young....i am travelling to karachi on the redeye......and the miranda is flowing freely.....so i continue....the above was bad enough.....however, you have taken it even one step beyond the above: a pakistani quotes arjun to make a point against another pakistani!!.....not just to make a point (which is bad enough), but to make one against another pakistani.......

is this what we have become?.......i kept my calm when you declared george bush our saviour....but arjun!!.....dear Allah, have mercy on us......for we have reached unprecendented depths of shame and deceit....we are truly an under-confident group of expatriate patriots, who have lowered themselves to quote indians, nay quote arjun, to make a point......

is this why jinnah created pakistan?.......is this why we fought the 71 war to create bangladesh?......is this why we migrated out of islamabad to dearborn?.....is this why shahid afridi hits his sixes in mumbai?......is this why we sit at our keyboards, day in and day out, in the comforts of the upper mid-west of the usa, declaring our loyalty to pakistan?......

i sit here ashamed....ashamed even beyond the day when i almost peed in my shorts, from laughing, in miss nadia jehan's first grade classroom, when someone told me an indian joke.......

arjun, hamid mian!......arjun!.......say it isn't so!.....please....i have tolerated your nonsense about bush with a smile on my face.....i have, even, ignored your abuse, with merely a chuckle, as nothing but the misguided musing of an insecure 50 year old....

but a pakistani quoting arjun to make a point!!!......what was it that your grandfather said about farting?....would he have quoted arjun or would he have farted at hearing such someone quoting arjun?......have those on the wrong side of the border, not to mention the wrong side of humanity, defeated us without a fight?....

i, hereby, take back my comment about pakistan evolving.....how can we claim evolution, when you have disgraced us beyond belief, by quoting arjun!.......

hamidm mian....i have had my low days on this site.....but this time, you have truly hit our proud nation, where it hurts....arjun!!.....

bless us my Lord for we have sinned!!

Re: # 36

romair mian,

.... god created arjun because of pakis like you .........

Re: # 34

abu sufwan mian,

..... it is nothing personal, but i blame the prophet (pbuh and his camel) for all the troubles that afflict the muslims of today ...... if only he had been more like buddha or jesus or shah abdul latif kazmi (aka bari imam) whose malangs still make that bhang that brings you closer to god .........

... and what is all this about ice cream ?

from another board:
#44 Posted by echoboom on September 3, 2007 5:21:29 pm
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#34 Posted by hamidm2 on September 3, 2007 11:29:43 am
...... let me remind you that, "ghairat tey ani jani cheez ay, banday non dheeth honra chaida !
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It is baigharats like you who bring a bad name to Panjabis..
but then you are a Chhachhi, the mongrels & the mutts, the ones who worked in the pantry & bars of the Britto-babboons. Background of all like yours is pretty well known to all.

In your case it is not aani jaani .it is only jaani & it is GONE!

and those without ghairat are called KANJAROON!

next time do not run to Mama CHOWK staff to reduce to dheet index. Remember you have no ghairat, you are KANJAROON & henceforth must be addressed as such by one & all here.

When hindus applause you you mistake it for a grand performance..in fact they really sneer & call you a Mahachutyaa.

Bulleya:

You have been mollycoddling this bichhu just to prove that that you have become "sufi" & have become innured to any insult to our nabi (pbuh)...and this will somehow make you acceptable & respectable to those who want to see Islamic Republic of Pakistan in the image of its father...the British and its wet nurse the US.

but:

" Musalmaan ko MuslamaaN kar diyaa toofaan-i maghrib nain
talaatum haey daryaa say hee hai, gohar kee sairaabee"
........................................ALLAMA IQBAL.

tr:

The Western-Tsunami made the muslim , a resolute muslim
The churning ocean indeed lends lustre to the oyster pearl.

Bulleya,the destiny is from where the journey started.

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echoboom,

.... your impotent rage reminds me of the impotent man who blames his limpness on the poor woman ......... i am not a malicious person, but you mullahs just bring out the worst in me - i am ashamed of myself for stooping to your level .... may al-lah and his daughters forgive me .......

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captain clueless: before the canine treatment of pureland gave pakis a heartburn, you were a big supporter of mushy..


#66 by Romair on April 11, 2004 10:43am PT

I support any govt., civilian or military, dictatorship or Constitutional that is financially honest and can maintain a 6% of higher growth rate in Pakistan (with some freedom of press, minority rights, women's rights etc.). If in the process, I cannot vote, no biggie.

#65 by Romair on April 11, 2004 10:29am PT


No one in Pakistan gives a flying fig about democracy, except the rich.

As I have argued before, I think people should support any govt. - be it Army, Navy, Air Force, Maulvi, feudal, labor, dictatorship, elected etc. that can get the highest rate of economic growth.

Musharraf's crow was cooked on the day he fired the Chief Justice -- and then he had to eat the crow the day the CJ was reinstated.

#45 Posted by nasah on September 3, 2007 10:46:44 pm

sorry..but you're wrong..the CJ thing was just the horse they hitched their wagons to....the fact is, the paki junta, owing to the canine treatment at the hands of America, was fed up with the military government...things like mushy packing off pakis to club gitmo and standing impotently by when US forces whacked pakis on paki soil really really hurt the "honor and dignity" of abdul paki...add to that the frustration of not being able to do anything about it..

Re: # 44

arjun,

.... thanks for the research .... could you please find the famous t-shirt quote as well ....... appreciate the help

hamid writes "masadi,

you idiot ! ......"4 bedroom mansions with lush gardens are going for Rs 30K a month" ..........i am not talking about lalamusa or mandi bahauddin ........"

You little rat, prices in Islamabad that vary with "house type" cannot be generalized to the entire country with a conclusion about its "cost of living" which is much lower than in the US- somehow you didn't get that. It is like taking the rent for a typical house in Kenilworth, Illinois and then generalize to even Chicago leave alone the entire USA. Get a brain, and some morals to go with that....and while you're at it, take Feroz with you, he can sure use a double helping of both...

hamidm2 mian: "god created arjun because of pakis like you ........"

arjun, hamid mian! arjun!.....pls say it isn't so.....even arjun's own family doesn't quote him!.....your proud grandfather must be farting, uncontrollably, in his grave seeing the levels his grandson has reduced our proud nation to.......

surely a bright chirpy expat like you can do better than arjun.....aren't there enough misguided abusive pakistanis on this site who you could have quote to make a point - mantolives and masadi to name a few.......

it is one thing if you would have quoted a fellow countryman.....but arjun!........

as i said, it was bad enough when you declared bush our saviour......but i realized, you had to show your loyalty to the red white and blue, as your survival in usa depended on it........

but arjun!.....why!......why!.......

dear Lord, pls forgive our sins.....pls forgive hamdim2 mian, for he knows not.......pls save us from your wrath, even if some amongst have started quoting arjun......Amen

"even arjun's own family doesn't quote him. . ."

my own family never quotes me either. arjuna and i must have something in common. (and it's not our paalitiks!) arjun is considerably far from the left, and I am from the right. . . whatever those two mean.

hamid dada: how is the atheist-in-residence? Or has that title gone to someone else?!

#49 by bulleya

What the hell are you babbling? Has the fact that you've been exposed driven you to insanity?