Musharraf's Options: Time Running Out

echoboom bhai---you are 100% right. the most shameful thing about this whole episode is the way these so-called leaders of pakistan turn to the US like slaves when it is totally internal matter.

instead of BELIEVING in "La ilaha il Allah..." the kalimah of the Ooon-Poons is La ilaha il Amrika! It is so so sad!

What is the verse of Iqbal's, "Ghairat baRi cheez hai jahaan e tag-o-do mein"

When will our leaders learn to DO AS THEY WILL and not as OTHERS will.

This is what will happen to a qawm when they do sajadah to others besides Allah.

Ya Allah! Please send your Mahdi now! amin.

Ay Khaas e khaasaan e Rusul (alayhi afDalus salawat us salam), waqt e dua hai:
Ummat pe teri aaj ajab waqt aan paRa hai
Jo qawm baRi dhoom se niklee thii watan se
Aaj pardes mein voh ghareeb ul ghuraba hai!


Will NS/BB/Immy be better? When will that mard e mujaahid be the leader of pakistan who will do whatever he feels is right for PAKISTAN without caring about what the rest of the world thinks?!

Re: # 33

naqshbandi,

""Ghairat baRi cheez hai jahaan e tag-o-do mein"

...... let me remind you that, "ghairat tey ani jani cheez ay, banday non dheeth honra chaida !"

#30 Posted by tahmed32

“You mean - you like to hear that. Musharraf's downfall started the day he made a mockery of the democratic process.”

The sage, aka DM has a knack of making some profound statements. Since you have taken up this issue, I would refrain from adding more than two lines.

If you recall, the downfall of the poor Shah of Iran was also a result of his compliance of the human rights as outlined by dear Mr. Carter.

Btw, Musharraf’s democracy started in 2002…pretty long run for a person, who is supposed to be losing power because he started to promote democracy.

#33 Posted by Naqshbandi

“Ummat pe teri aaj ajab waqt aan paRa hai”

Just a change of one word suffice here.

“Mullah pe teri aaj ajab waqt aan paRa hai”


Sir ji,
Hamidm wrote new Punjabi slang

banday non dheeth honra chaida !"

You think honor of the mullah would be restored, if Rashid Ghazi is brought back from the six feet under? (In his case probably 60 feet under?)

#30

tahmed32, I agree that people should be able to elect thier leaders, or better yet, govern themselves.

I do not consider the BB or the NS experiments to be quite democratic really. And especially now, I wish there was a better alternative, there isn't, and it will probably be one of these people that gets elected. The future is not looking too rosy.

Plus the real problem is the fundamentalism that is spreading like a cancer. All this namazi hijabi bullshit ... we are living in a modern world and all our middle class is getting obsessed with is how much hair should be covered and how many nafals and sunnats to pray.

fundamentalism will destroy Pakistan. I hope we can revert to the tolerant sufi islam.

repectfully.
Thinking

..erm although i am against wahabification, ie. extremism in pakistan of the ghazi bradraan variety, it is a fallacy to think that sufis islam, which i follow, lays less emphasis on namaz and roza and sunnah...indeed the sufis have always been THE MOST practising Muslims as far as the Sunnah is concerned...indeed how else do you think a wali becomes a wali? How many rakahs a day do you think Data Sahib or Hazrat Sultan Bahu prayed?! Many many more than just the 5 basic prayers. Imam e Azam prayed 1000 rakahs in 24 hours!

Yes, the traditional Sufi muslims don't FORCE others to be good Muslims, rather they concentrate on purifying their OWN selves. that is the difference but to mock namaz and sunnah as our friend thinkingstorm has done is not on!

Hazrat Shaykh al Akbar Ibn Arabi is one of the greatest Sufis of all time whom we love and believe to be one of the greatest saints of Islam. He was Spanish and when the Muslim ruler asked him what should be done with the Jews and Christians he said they should be treated according to the Shariah i.e. jizyah should be imposed on them!
My point is that Sufism and Shariah are two sides of the same coin...the Wahabis of course consider Ibn Arabi a kafir!!!

Re: # 34

tera jawaab nain ji! main haar man gya vaaN! :D

#38

"mullah chad day ilm kittaban da,
tainay chayaiy bar azaaban dan
Ker wuzu joug sharaban da
teray un-der, bahar paleeti hai"

Meditation, praying, nafal etc, all good....but the sufis never preached the technicalities, they preached love. And once you get to know love, they can pray however much they want.

So I stand by my :this namazi, hijabi bullshit is taking over the things that really matter :)

#38,

Naqsh, also note that I am not mocking namaz / sunnah (" mock namaz and sunnah as our friend thinkingstorm has done is not on!"), but rather, I am mocking the obsession with it. How high the shalward should be, how long the beard should be, and all other such nonsense are technicalities.

you don't want a bunch of people going through rote meaningless rituals do you? Imam e Azam must have not just gone through motions right?

I think you catch my drift :)

Think Naqsh Think

Yarr Naqshay baaz bhai, Why do u always make everything about the superhuman capabilities that ur supposed 'auliya' possesed..sometimes they sound even holier and more righteous that Abu-Bakar (RAW) and Umer bin alkhatab (RAW). Give it a rest already..it'll take me but one post to shred ur barelwiyat in 2 pieces and make a laughing stock out of it..but this article is not about that..so get over ur obsessions with Imam Abdul Wahab Rahim ullah allayh...besides isnt time to for u 2 go worship a grave somewhere already?

This situation is going to cost me a lot dinners to my Pakistani friends, as I had bet with, including HP, to host a dinner in San Francisco, if in Pakistan, the power separation between Musharraff (= Army) and Bhutto (=PPP) did not work out. Although I would love to host a celebration of the other kind also.

Nawaz Shariff is a new card. If BB and the General cannot deal with due to lack of mandate in the fair elections, then I would say democracy still prevailed. As I see with this new card, the real decision is who will marry the General (=Army). I would say let Pakistani janta (=awam) decide.

Although I still bet it shall be BB (=PPP) and General (=Army).

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Re: # 14

Echo

"Who among us is not familiar with the stampede which occurs at Desi parties when announcement for food is made. This phenomena is unique ONLY to Indians & Pakistanis."

This is the 'Commando culture', moderate and enlightened!

A commando trying to don a mantle of civilized human being? How can it be possible as Ghalib had said:

"Saraapa rehn-e-ishq wa naaguzeere-e-ulfat-e-hasti
Ibaadat barq ki karta hoon aur afsos haasil ka"

The Pakies worship the Holy Atom Bomb (I actually saw them offering 'namaaz' before the replica of Chaagai on the Islamabad Highway) can get only a Commando to rule them. The Mullah-military rule is the natural result of the Paky Jingoism-cum-obscurantism.

Lage raho echo bhaai!

echo-

I really don't know where this habit of attaching -OON to things comes from, but it does make yours a one trick pony show.

Also, it is not nice to call hamidm2 a kanjar-oon. no?

okay I re-read some of the posts by hamidm2...seems you guys have a history...my bad for interfering with your joyful banter ;)

Please don't stop calling him a kanjaXXX on my behalf. But perhaps you may be open to dropping the OON...it is just so unseeming :)

If the tribal belt becomes a “no-go” area for the Pakistani government, the USA has little recourse but to attack the militants therein on its own. This would severely limit the usefulness of the Pakistani army to the USA.

The army – which enabled Mr. Musharraf bring things to this juncture ought to realize the he is only the symptom of the malaise – the malaise being the institution of the army itself which has done maximum damage to the country of Pakistan by killing off most of its democratic institutions and coloring the civilian ones with a thick coat of Islamization. Passing the baton to a proxy – trusted or otherwise – will not change that simple fact.

It is time to get rid of the myth that one can rule a country on the basis of military might alone.

All the horse-trading will be meaningless and can only take one back to square one! In my view, both the BB and the NS are so passe - perhaps too old to change their set ways. Perhaps it is time for the younger generation to take charge and start using something new in the affairs of the state – something called common sense! The first step ought to be to make a clean break with the past and make a clean breast of all previous sordid deeds versus India – to start laying the bricks of friendship based on a foundation of honesty – and they should disown and fire anybody who deviates from the simple logic that Pakistan can only be a success if India is so.