Twin Blasts in Rawalpindi leaves 27 dead, 70 injured

#219 masadi: so I am now a miserable snake who lived under a stone totally unaware of any knowledge until chowk came along where I gained all my knowledge from the Great Scholar Masadi (or more accurately, since humor requires an average IQ which is beyond your reach, the dud Masadi who suffers from visions of greatness). Do I need to spend my time going back to my old posts to prove myself innocent of stealing Masadi's ideas? I dont think so.

I will say that you will find plenty of material from old posts (written years before you came to chowk) that reflects exactly this point - e.g. there must be hundreds of posts I have written where I have made it clear that Islam is not about the personality (of the prophet in this case), but about the message (of Islam in this case); you will find old posts addressed to YLH where I have questioned his focus on Gandhis personality and asked him to focus instead on the concept of non-violence that Gandhi promoted. So go spend your own goddam time looking through my old posts if you dont believe me.

And now I have used up my "idiot time" with you. Last post on this board to you, and you can now f.o. and eat samosas in the staff room of Government College Mian Channu. You are capable only of writing insults to others and are too stupid for anything better.

#221 GulZaman seems less like an anarchist and more like a Alexander the Grape to me, as per his statement: "Afghans and Pathans,the ones who have been destined to rule over the ones East of Indus is approaching fast". :-)

and more seriously - no doubt the military is demoralized by Musharraf's mischief. But will anything come out of it (e.g. the realization that the military is there to serve the people, not rule over them)? Depends on how this current situation plays out.

btw, could you repeat this panjabi adage in original form since I cannot recall it. Thanks in advance.

Re: # 220

for a while i thought the chowk simply had too many fools like masadi ...... now it seems we have plenty of anarchists too :)

..... why can't muslims be like normal people - there is something horribly wrong with an ideology that breeds only fools and anarchists ........

#218
this brings to mind the old punjabi adage about buggery, eating cucumbers.
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LOL..
O nly in Punjabi, you say?

The army is no longer under the Commander n Thief.The army is not surrendering or being kidnapped ..it is defecting.

Ahmed Rashid, though reporting right, but does it when everyone else has already spoken in the Urdu press. He is always a week-old stale, but for the english-readers he appears as someone who is "smart" or "scoopy"

All the good signs are on the horizon. The great day will be when an NCO or even a batman kills all the generals & Musharraf & takes control of the nation. The less "educated" he is, the better would it be...and in one clean sweep he gets rid of the so called "middle-class" the ones who look down upon those below them and look up to those above them. The cum of the scum!

Time is approaching fast when the Afghans and Pathans,the ones who have been destined to rule over the ones East of Indus is approaching fast. It is sad that with the help of the Americans the crows & jackals got the chance to wear a crown or Uniform.

The earlier this anomaly in history & lacuna in learning is erased the less will be the misery of the ones who are destined to be ruled by those who love to die for Life instead of living on in misery & still terrified of Death.

tahmed writes "There have been people far smarter than you and me who lived thousands of years ago and who came up with such basic insights that seem to be a novelty to some on chowk. "

Of course there have been, neither have I claimed to have "invented" the idea but the fact remains that YOU borrowed this from me, and our discussions on Chowk. If not then please copy paste ONE post of yours that talks about the system/structure/institution bearing the blame and not the individual prior to October 2005 when I started posting. I challenge you to do that. You are a miserable snake who uses my ideas, which I have no problem with but then turn them on their head and support the damn US elite and colonization, what I have a big problem with. Don't be a snake, poke fun at me explicity while implicitly using my ideas admiringly.....you have done it many times and stand exposed

this brings to mind the old punjabi adage about buggery, eating cucumbers and then complaining ....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6978240.stm

tahmed writes "That is: in discussing Pakistan politics, your entire focus is on personalities (ZAB). Where is the concern with the systemic problems that make Pakistan so vulnerable to the personal ambitions and religious leanings of individuals? "

That is where you are dead wrong again. My first post on the ZAB (check my ilog) was one in which I referred to him as an anomaly and in the tradition of Ibrahim "a nation unto himself", i.e. the one who tried to alter the social structure becoming the foundational social structure or at least tried. I don't care about either the personality or the idiosyncrasies of the ZAB besides this point...

masadi #214 Look. If you want to take credit for the idea that one should look for systemic problems, then that is fine with me. The more people look at underlying systemic problems rather than superficial ones, the better off everyone is. But at least be consistent and practice on chowk what you preach then. That is: in discussing Pakistan politics, your entire focus is on personalities (ZAB). Where is the concern with the systemic problems that make Pakistan so vulnerable to the personal ambitions and religious leanings of individuals?

I btw dont claim to be the originator or this idea of looking for systemic problems - it has probably been around from the time mankind first devised tools. And it is common practice in organizations to look for underlying or systemic problems. And the phrase "It is the system, stupid" has been around longer than the more popular version Clinton popularized. So dont worry about me - I have no interest in impressing a bunch of stangers on chowk with how smart I am. So, I dont claim to be the originator of any idea - like Newton said "We stand on the shoulders of giants who came before us". Or as someone else said "There is nothing new under the sun". There have been people far smarter than you and me who lived thousands of years ago and who came up with such basic insights that seem to be a novelty to some on chowk.

#212 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 5, 2007 9:41:39 pm

I was going to post about how we've gone for almost a complete month without a paki being busted for terrorism or a terrorist plot tied to pakiland....alas..it wasn't to be...

tahmed writes "masadi: so you say that when i say that it is the system that matters, nor personalities, i stole this idea from your posts."

Shrinks (psychologists as you once claimed) like you always look at the individual, the sociologists (like myself) look at systems and structures. Look at your posts before I started posting about these things and after and you will discover where you "borrowed" these ideas like a third rate plagirist from

Re: # 206 Mr. Okha Please stop attacking , you can attack after reading Masadi's book. It unfair to do what you are doing. You seems to be engineer. I have bad experience with them they take tution in maths and engg subjects but they do not pay last month and spend lots of money go to usa but no money to pay for Madani. They are big mouth and less in paying. Now days If male engineer student talking of going usa etc I tell them I only believe in cash.
I have doubt of many contributors they claim to be in usa or uk as they show low brains us govt will not allow many of these chaps when they take their IQ test.
NOw I have two questions
1. Do you read anything before writing
2. Are you really in USA or just in Karachi or lahore working in WAADA Kachheri engineer Babu.
Recently I have become suspicious about these boys. They have some nuts who work at Chiken shop in USA and night and claim to be manager at night at food processing and distribution system for fresh neutrious healthy food.
Good day.

Re: # 211
Mr.Arjun.... How are you working on my challenge of finding something good which will make your heart happy ? Hopefully just one good nes will be morethan sufficient

so much for the network genius' theory

Investigators say Mehsuds behind Rawalpindi attacks

By Azaz Syed

ISLAMABAD: Preliminary investigations into Tuesday’s suicide attacks near General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi indicate that they were carried out by the Baitullah Mehsud group based in Waziristan, sources told Daily Times on Wednesday.

Investigators found evidence that the bomb-hit bus belonged to the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), sources claimed. They said an investigation agency had recovered a small Russian-made device called MUV-2 from the bus. The device triggers the explosives when the suicide bomber pulls out a pin, they said.

Investigations from the Qasim Market blast scene suggest the device was not like the one used in Islamabad in July, but was similar to ones used in attacks on paramilitary forces by the Baitullah Mehsud group, the sources said.

Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) Director General Tariq Pervez confirmed that the device was similar to the ones used in suicide attacks in Peshawar, Charsada, Dera Ismail Khan and at a Mosque in Kohat on July 19.

“Yes, in my assessment, the Baitulluh Mehsud group conducted the attacks,” the FIA director general said. Intelligence agencies have not yet collected evidence from the scene of the blast at RA Bazaar, the sources said.

Agencies add: Interior ministry spokesman Brigadier Javed Cheema said the bombers had suspected links to pro-Taliban militants backed by Al Qaeda.

Investigators are focusing on Baitullah Mehsud, he said. “No one has claimed responsibility but several previous attacks were linked to Baitullah Mehsud.”

Security sources said the two attackers may have been remaining members of a seven-member team of bombers, some allegedly sent by Mehsud, that infiltrated Islamabad and Rawalpindi for Pakistan’s Independence Day celebrations.

Five were arrested in recent weeks “but there is a fear that the two others may have carried out the latest attacks,” a security official said. Rebels from the tribal areas recently sent suicide bombers to Rawalpindi and Islamabad, an official said. “We got this information from some people who were caught recently, and who were from North and South Waziristan,” he added.

There were conflicting reports about the identity of the victims. Intelligence officials said the bus was carrying ISI members but Pakistan’s Interior Ministry said on Tuesday that 18 civilian and military employees died in the blast.

masadi: so you say that when i say that it is the system that matters, nor personalities, i stole this idea from your posts. you damned self-important little twit!! :-) I barely read your insults .. i mean posts ... addressed to me, let alone your insults .. i mean posts ... addressed to others.

What else did you invent aside from this idea that one should focus on the system, not personalities? the internet? the laws of gravity? the aeroplane? God?

okla #203 Greetings to you to, my friend.

true our leaders let us down, and so we are still struggling for a democratic system. but nothing is black and white and in fact things are never as bad (or good, for that matter) as they seem...

thus,

at the heart of a democratic system no doubt is an accountable government, which is what the current struggle is about. But the current government is not totally unaccountable either - it is subject to severe and open crticism in the media and on the streets, and there is precious little musharraf can do about it.

I fully agree with you that the Pakistani people are far better than their leaders. And as Tipu Sultan said - a nation of jackals led by a lion is better than a nation of lions led by a jackal. But this is not totally true today: Pakistanis have a lot going for them (pragmatic, hard-working population, great strategic location, a dynamic global environment ), and so I for one remain very positive in the future of Pakistan - regardless of the outcome of the current struggle and regardless of who ends up in the president's seat.

HP, geez, that is no doubt very complicated, particularly if Jamiat-e-Islami folks can be sold as Indian agents, or sympathizers even.

Pathans, in general, can be an easy prey for labeling game once Afghan government is painted as Indian agents (on which it should be easy to create considerable agreement among some sections of Pakistanis). But will Sindhis and Punjabis be able to convince others that the 'worst' of Pathans (assuming people like badshah khan -himself labelled as Indian agent - were "good" khans) are Indian agents?

From outside that doesn't seem easy, but may be that too can be done. And if it can be, it surely should be done! One is not squeamish about any 'moral' aspects. Just that Pakistanis should think it over to make sure it will work.