Twin Blasts in Rawalpindi leaves 27 dead, 70 injured

I think it is rather unfair the way they all gang up on one person.

It is a bit like a bunch of hyensa all ganging up on one strong horse!

MiaN masadi,

Why is it that the Tauheed, the Hamid, the Manto, the Okhla, the HP, and countless other Pakistanis are all mad at you at the same time?!

#236 humor (or at least an attempt)? from masadi who takes himself more seriously than God? Wow!!

tahmed writes "masadi: what part of f.o. dont you understand?"

The part that describes your lifetime relationship with your pet goat.

Okhla99, John Winters (what a miserably fake name)told me that he is fast on your tracks and you will be removed from the US in the next couple of weeks. Diane told me that you were kicked out of Graduate school after Homeland Security alerted them...

okla #231: now i am curious. where did you get this info from?

masadi: what part of f.o. dont you understand?

I must say lots of thought provoking ideas and the debate is really heading intresting way. i appreciate chowk for giving this space for people to vent their views and anger and hope that establishments of sub continent read these views to get some direction.
as for Pakistan is concerned things are still not clear and shadows of uncertanity are lingering on but atleast this time we have some kind of hope from the independent judiciary and an aware vicil society and i must say that electronic media has played a big role in awakening both these entities in our nation. as for comparisons of pak with any other subcontinent country is concerned, i think its absurd because of the uniqueness of Pak situation and placing in the region and world. though these similies can help make a point but not help towards a settlement. settlement has to come from within and it has to be decided by the civil society.

tahmed writes "there must be hundreds of posts I have written where I have made it clear that Islam is not about the personality (of the prophet in this case), but about the message (of Islam in this case)"

These words "Islam is not about the personality of the prophet but the message of the Quran" are my exact words which this snake has again borrowed, which I wrote in my articles and in the various debates we have had on faithfreedom.

I challenge this snake to produce these words pre- October 2005 on Chowk from his posts. He will not be able to do it.


Okhla, Diane told me you were kicked out of college for running around naked on campus and Winters told me he is fast on your track and will be sending you Pakistan in the next coupld of weeks. Shut up fool...

Masadi you fool,

Only you can believe the BS that you spew.

John Winters of the US INS (Immigration & Naturalization Service) has told everybody about how you wept and begged for a second chance to stay in the US.

Diane from the Graduate School has also told everybody about how all your attempts to get an extension failed miserably.

Now that you are back in Pakistan, please please try to contribute positively to the nation building process. Stop imagining things. Stop bullshitting. Stop calling others "morons' & "dimwits". Have no delusions or intellectual pretences. Shed them immediately. Join a road crew. Break Stones with a small hammer. Contribute to a construction project. Carry bricks on your head. For once, make some kind of contribution to the country that is feeding you.

You stand thoroughly exposed Masadi..

#228 hamidm2: If it seems like good advice, sure I would.

On the other hand: If a man living in a mansion told you that rolling in the dirt and then getting up and scratching your ear with your left foot would ensure vitality and good health, would you take it?

300 cab driving surrender monkeys of allah's army have been taken hostage by less than 50 taliban?

seriously...these are the people who'll make kashmir pakistan?

Re: # 223

tahmed,

"Islam is not about the personality (of the prophet in this case), but about the message (of Islam in this case)"

.......... so you would get advice on personal hygiene from a homeless bum sleeping in the sewer ?

[...in one clean sweep he gets rid of the so called "middle-class"... The cum of the scum!...]

Alright, now you are talking... go pakis go... kill off the middle class... save islam... do it in name of mohamed, the bedouin... :)

218

Wow - pakis call Mushy boy the enemy of islam?... who'd have thunk?... :)... so far only yahood and hanoods are supposed to be the enemy of islam...

what's going on here?... this seems to be a serious development - enemy of islam is a very serious charge and you pakis have started using it on each other on a regular basis now... are you guys getting ready to massacre each other in droves?... civil war, may be?...

tahmed writes "You are capable only of writing insults to others and are too stupid for anything better. "

Of course that is what you do every time you lose an argument. And look at this miserable fcuk's hypocrisy, he says I am only capable of writing insults one sentence after he tells me to F.O., go figure...

Re #223, leave aside the rhetoric, I challenged you to produce one post, pre October 2005 that reflects the statement that the "system/structure/institution" is responsible and not the "individual personality". Surely if there are hundreds one can be very easily found,Do it or shut up you lying thief...

#219 masadi: so I am now a miserable snake who lived under a stone totally unaware of any knowledge until chowk came along where I gained all my knowledge from the Great Scholar Masadi (or more accurately, since humor requires an average IQ which is beyond your reach, the dud Masadi who suffers from visions of greatness). Do I need to spend my time going back to my old posts to prove myself innocent of stealing Masadi's ideas? I dont think so.

I will say that you will find plenty of material from old posts (written years before you came to chowk) that reflects exactly this point - e.g. there must be hundreds of posts I have written where I have made it clear that Islam is not about the personality (of the prophet in this case), but about the message (of Islam in this case); you will find old posts addressed to YLH where I have questioned his focus on Gandhis personality and asked him to focus instead on the concept of non-violence that Gandhi promoted. So go spend your own goddam time looking through my old posts if you dont believe me.

And now I have used up my "idiot time" with you. Last post on this board to you, and you can now f.o. and eat samosas in the staff room of Government College Mian Channu. You are capable only of writing insults to others and are too stupid for anything better.

#221 GulZaman seems less like an anarchist and more like a Alexander the Grape to me, as per his statement: "Afghans and Pathans,the ones who have been destined to rule over the ones East of Indus is approaching fast". :-)

and more seriously - no doubt the military is demoralized by Musharraf's mischief. But will anything come out of it (e.g. the realization that the military is there to serve the people, not rule over them)? Depends on how this current situation plays out.

btw, could you repeat this panjabi adage in original form since I cannot recall it. Thanks in advance.

Re: # 220

for a while i thought the chowk simply had too many fools like masadi ...... now it seems we have plenty of anarchists too :)

..... why can't muslims be like normal people - there is something horribly wrong with an ideology that breeds only fools and anarchists ........

#218
this brings to mind the old punjabi adage about buggery, eating cucumbers.
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LOL..
O nly in Punjabi, you say?

The army is no longer under the Commander n Thief.The army is not surrendering or being kidnapped ..it is defecting.

Ahmed Rashid, though reporting right, but does it when everyone else has already spoken in the Urdu press. He is always a week-old stale, but for the english-readers he appears as someone who is "smart" or "scoopy"

All the good signs are on the horizon. The great day will be when an NCO or even a batman kills all the generals & Musharraf & takes control of the nation. The less "educated" he is, the better would it be...and in one clean sweep he gets rid of the so called "middle-class" the ones who look down upon those below them and look up to those above them. The cum of the scum!

Time is approaching fast when the Afghans and Pathans,the ones who have been destined to rule over the ones East of Indus is approaching fast. It is sad that with the help of the Americans the crows & jackals got the chance to wear a crown or Uniform.

The earlier this anomaly in history & lacuna in learning is erased the less will be the misery of the ones who are destined to be ruled by those who love to die for Life instead of living on in misery & still terrified of Death.

tahmed writes "There have been people far smarter than you and me who lived thousands of years ago and who came up with such basic insights that seem to be a novelty to some on chowk. "

Of course there have been, neither have I claimed to have "invented" the idea but the fact remains that YOU borrowed this from me, and our discussions on Chowk. If not then please copy paste ONE post of yours that talks about the system/structure/institution bearing the blame and not the individual prior to October 2005 when I started posting. I challenge you to do that. You are a miserable snake who uses my ideas, which I have no problem with but then turn them on their head and support the damn US elite and colonization, what I have a big problem with. Don't be a snake, poke fun at me explicity while implicitly using my ideas admiringly.....you have done it many times and stand exposed

this brings to mind the old punjabi adage about buggery, eating cucumbers and then complaining ....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6978240.stm

tahmed writes "That is: in discussing Pakistan politics, your entire focus is on personalities (ZAB). Where is the concern with the systemic problems that make Pakistan so vulnerable to the personal ambitions and religious leanings of individuals? "

That is where you are dead wrong again. My first post on the ZAB (check my ilog) was one in which I referred to him as an anomaly and in the tradition of Ibrahim "a nation unto himself", i.e. the one who tried to alter the social structure becoming the foundational social structure or at least tried. I don't care about either the personality or the idiosyncrasies of the ZAB besides this point...

masadi #214 Look. If you want to take credit for the idea that one should look for systemic problems, then that is fine with me. The more people look at underlying systemic problems rather than superficial ones, the better off everyone is. But at least be consistent and practice on chowk what you preach then. That is: in discussing Pakistan politics, your entire focus is on personalities (ZAB). Where is the concern with the systemic problems that make Pakistan so vulnerable to the personal ambitions and religious leanings of individuals?

I btw dont claim to be the originator or this idea of looking for systemic problems - it has probably been around from the time mankind first devised tools. And it is common practice in organizations to look for underlying or systemic problems. And the phrase "It is the system, stupid" has been around longer than the more popular version Clinton popularized. So dont worry about me - I have no interest in impressing a bunch of stangers on chowk with how smart I am. So, I dont claim to be the originator of any idea - like Newton said "We stand on the shoulders of giants who came before us". Or as someone else said "There is nothing new under the sun". There have been people far smarter than you and me who lived thousands of years ago and who came up with such basic insights that seem to be a novelty to some on chowk.

#212 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 5, 2007 9:41:39 pm

I was going to post about how we've gone for almost a complete month without a paki being busted for terrorism or a terrorist plot tied to pakiland....alas..it wasn't to be...

tahmed writes "masadi: so you say that when i say that it is the system that matters, nor personalities, i stole this idea from your posts."

Shrinks (psychologists as you once claimed) like you always look at the individual, the sociologists (like myself) look at systems and structures. Look at your posts before I started posting about these things and after and you will discover where you "borrowed" these ideas like a third rate plagirist from

Re: # 206 Mr. Okha Please stop attacking , you can attack after reading Masadi's book. It unfair to do what you are doing. You seems to be engineer. I have bad experience with them they take tution in maths and engg subjects but they do not pay last month and spend lots of money go to usa but no money to pay for Madani. They are big mouth and less in paying. Now days If male engineer student talking of going usa etc I tell them I only believe in cash.
I have doubt of many contributors they claim to be in usa or uk as they show low brains us govt will not allow many of these chaps when they take their IQ test.
NOw I have two questions
1. Do you read anything before writing
2. Are you really in USA or just in Karachi or lahore working in WAADA Kachheri engineer Babu.
Recently I have become suspicious about these boys. They have some nuts who work at Chiken shop in USA and night and claim to be manager at night at food processing and distribution system for fresh neutrious healthy food.
Good day.

Re: # 211
Mr.Arjun.... How are you working on my challenge of finding something good which will make your heart happy ? Hopefully just one good nes will be morethan sufficient

so much for the network genius' theory

Investigators say Mehsuds behind Rawalpindi attacks

By Azaz Syed

ISLAMABAD: Preliminary investigations into Tuesday’s suicide attacks near General Headquarters (GHQ) in Rawalpindi indicate that they were carried out by the Baitullah Mehsud group based in Waziristan, sources told Daily Times on Wednesday.

Investigators found evidence that the bomb-hit bus belonged to the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), sources claimed. They said an investigation agency had recovered a small Russian-made device called MUV-2 from the bus. The device triggers the explosives when the suicide bomber pulls out a pin, they said.

Investigations from the Qasim Market blast scene suggest the device was not like the one used in Islamabad in July, but was similar to ones used in attacks on paramilitary forces by the Baitullah Mehsud group, the sources said.

Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) Director General Tariq Pervez confirmed that the device was similar to the ones used in suicide attacks in Peshawar, Charsada, Dera Ismail Khan and at a Mosque in Kohat on July 19.

“Yes, in my assessment, the Baitulluh Mehsud group conducted the attacks,” the FIA director general said. Intelligence agencies have not yet collected evidence from the scene of the blast at RA Bazaar, the sources said.

Agencies add: Interior ministry spokesman Brigadier Javed Cheema said the bombers had suspected links to pro-Taliban militants backed by Al Qaeda.

Investigators are focusing on Baitullah Mehsud, he said. “No one has claimed responsibility but several previous attacks were linked to Baitullah Mehsud.”

Security sources said the two attackers may have been remaining members of a seven-member team of bombers, some allegedly sent by Mehsud, that infiltrated Islamabad and Rawalpindi for Pakistan’s Independence Day celebrations.

Five were arrested in recent weeks “but there is a fear that the two others may have carried out the latest attacks,” a security official said. Rebels from the tribal areas recently sent suicide bombers to Rawalpindi and Islamabad, an official said. “We got this information from some people who were caught recently, and who were from North and South Waziristan,” he added.

There were conflicting reports about the identity of the victims. Intelligence officials said the bus was carrying ISI members but Pakistan’s Interior Ministry said on Tuesday that 18 civilian and military employees died in the blast.

masadi: so you say that when i say that it is the system that matters, nor personalities, i stole this idea from your posts. you damned self-important little twit!! :-) I barely read your insults .. i mean posts ... addressed to me, let alone your insults .. i mean posts ... addressed to others.

What else did you invent aside from this idea that one should focus on the system, not personalities? the internet? the laws of gravity? the aeroplane? God?

okla #203 Greetings to you to, my friend.

true our leaders let us down, and so we are still struggling for a democratic system. but nothing is black and white and in fact things are never as bad (or good, for that matter) as they seem...

thus,

at the heart of a democratic system no doubt is an accountable government, which is what the current struggle is about. But the current government is not totally unaccountable either - it is subject to severe and open crticism in the media and on the streets, and there is precious little musharraf can do about it.

I fully agree with you that the Pakistani people are far better than their leaders. And as Tipu Sultan said - a nation of jackals led by a lion is better than a nation of lions led by a jackal. But this is not totally true today: Pakistanis have a lot going for them (pragmatic, hard-working population, great strategic location, a dynamic global environment ), and so I for one remain very positive in the future of Pakistan - regardless of the outcome of the current struggle and regardless of who ends up in the president's seat.

HP, geez, that is no doubt very complicated, particularly if Jamiat-e-Islami folks can be sold as Indian agents, or sympathizers even.

Pathans, in general, can be an easy prey for labeling game once Afghan government is painted as Indian agents (on which it should be easy to create considerable agreement among some sections of Pakistanis). But will Sindhis and Punjabis be able to convince others that the 'worst' of Pathans (assuming people like badshah khan -himself labelled as Indian agent - were "good" khans) are Indian agents?

From outside that doesn't seem easy, but may be that too can be done. And if it can be, it surely should be done! One is not squeamish about any 'moral' aspects. Just that Pakistanis should think it over to make sure it will work.

Ha ha now he invents BS names, how low can people stoop. You can "expose" me all you want, my thoughts are open books, and they will only benefit the people. As for your lies that you invent, they only disgrace you and show the sorry state of your "intellect", if the stinking nerve that describes your insect brain can be described as such. As for John Winters , lol, he told me that he is fast on your tracks and your return to your homeland is a few weeks away.....

Stop spamming the boards with your BS you idiot

Masadi you fool,

Only you can believe the BS that you spew.

John Winters of the US INS (Immigration & Naturalization Service) has told everybody about how you wept and begged for a second chance to stay in the US.

Diane from the Graduate School has also told everybody about how all your attempts to get an extension failed miserably.

Now that you are back in Pakistan, please please try to contribute positively to the nation building process. Stop imagining. Stop bullshitting. Stop calling others "morons' & "dimwits". Do something creative for a change.

You stand thoroughly exposed Masadi..

In addition to #204, when you talk about the "system" which by the way you have borrowed from our talks (mine and HPs) about institutions and not the person being responsible, but don't have the decency to acknowledge that, you hide that that system is the work more of those you worship the colonials and later the US elite working through its occupation force than anything indigeneous.....hypocrite

Tahmed, you are the "master moron" because all you seek to do with your hypocritical moralizing is legitimize the barbarism and the segregation imposed on the majority world by the US elite and their peons. Okhla is your tiny "shagird" who cannot handle one coherent thought leave alone an argument. Look at his ilog, the only material he has been able to produce is his "fun at fishing" piece. He cannot manage to write a decent two page paper and yet has the audacity to talk about my many books.....little fool

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Fact: Okhla is lying
Fact: Masadi chose to leave the US to help the poor masses in Pakistan and look after family

Fact: Masadi never had a permanent university job in the US and so the "extension" issue never arose

Fact: Masadi was called by his ex-professor to teach at the university because he was top of his graduating class

Fact: Masadi was rejected by corporate publishers because they said they weren't sure these books would sell. They are similarly "not sure" if Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti or similar authors would "sell" so they reject them as well

Fact: Masadi decided to publish with "on demand" publishers who have no such sales criteria. Masadi books, five years after publication now rank higher on amazon time and again than Ann Coulter's books just one year after publication...

Fact: Masadi received offers from ALL Pakistani colleges he applied to, never has Masadi been in so much demand both by business schools and public universities

Fact: Lulu.com doesn't charge a "fee" to publish "on demand".

Fact: Supporters of the US elite, their "peons" that have ensured that the vast majority of humanity's suffering is legitimized by bells and whistles and images of dance and drink are surely dimwits .

Fact: The world is fast coming to a realization of the shenanigans of the US elite, they themselves will take care of A-holes like Okhla and other peons of the West .


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#200 Tahmed. Greetings Bro.

You need to agree that there is nothing wrong with the prople or with the country. It is the leaders who have let us down. And we don't really nead the creme de la creme as far as leaders are concerned. Any above average professional with inherent decency and sincerity would be million times better than NS or BB or PM etc.

Cheers.

#200 Tahmed. Greetings Bro.

You need to agree that there is nothing wrong with the prople or with the country. It is the leaders who have let us down. And we don't really nead the creme de la creme as far as leaders are concerned. Any above average professional with inherent decency and sincerity would be million times better than NS or BB or PM etc.

Cheers.

masadi: your calling everyone who disagrees with chowk a moron shows you have the emotional level of a spoilt 3 year old. as for your intellectual level, your arrogance needs to be deflated, and okla has done that in #199.

okla: To repeat the point I have been making - it is not personalities, but the system. Forget Azim Premji - even Bill Gates would be jumping out of Windows or banging his head against a Firewall if he were given the job. And the system we need is one where the big boss are the Pakistani people - not some daughter of the east or a mard-e-mijahid or a mard-e-momin or a businessman, no matter how brilliant or successful.

Fact : Masadi was kicked out of US.
Fact: Masadi begged for an extension but was denied on merit.
Fact: Masadi was rejected by all mainline publishers.
Fact: Lulu.com agreed to publish Masadi papers, for a fee.
Fact: All Pakistan colleges/schools refused to hire Masadi.
Fact: Chowk rejected six of Masadi articles.
Fact: Masadi believes the rest of the world consists of "dimwits" who are peons of the West.

Fact: Mad mullahs like Masadi shall soon be eliminated.

Okhla is totally clueless about the political situation in Pakistan, this is not a board game where you just pick and place people but morons wouldn't know; Pakistan would go deeper into chaos when these implants are placed, no candy would be handed on the streets, they would have no legitimacy, and who gives a flying rat's fcuk about what India and the US wants regarding Pakistan....we have seen what implants did to Iraq.....Moron

Thanx Boss dost_mittar#193

Let me repeat the suggestion for the benefit of the newcomers.


Prime Minister Azim Premji
Maybe we should invite the Narayan Murthy and Azim Premji pair from India to handle Pakistan politics for some time. They would concentrate on technology/economy and also curb the overwhelming interference of the military in civil affairs. Premji can be the prime minister and Murthy can be the President. And no, the suggestion is not as outrageoous as it sounds. These guys would gain immediate trust from US and India. They would cause strengthening of democratic insstitutions. They would not indulge in corruption and loot. BB & NS on the other hand would only act on predictable lines with "Twenty percent" etc.

I got this idea when I read about someone pining for a "noble Sayyid" or "any decent Arab" as a leader for Pakistan.

Give it a thought folks.

cliftonbridge #195 Have you seen a drunk skunk? Or are you merely perpetuating negative stereotypes about the poor skunk?

HP i assume you are drunk as a skunk again, you certainly sound that way.

I was in Octri 22 (Chungi 22) coming from Bakra Mandi. Nothing to worry about these blasts. These were suicide vests carried by ISI which exploded prematurely. Everything is right.

okhla#168:

Actually, there is some thinking going along those lines, if you can think of the Pak versions of Premji and Murti. Here is Hamid Mir, someone with some inside knowledge;

Hamid Mir

Pakistan and the 'minus 2 formula'

September 05, 2007





Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf's [Images] top advisers have seriously suggested applying Bangladesh's 'minus 2 formula' in Pakistani politics.

Growing political uncertainty and deteriorating law and order situation may force the Musharraf regime to follow in the footsteps of the interim government in Bangladesh.

The army-backed interim government in Bangladesh suspended general elections for one year and imposed emergency in early 2007. The Bangladeshi army also attempted to banish two former prime ministers Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina from politics by force (hence 'minus 2').

Initially the interim government tried to expel Bangladesh Nationalist Party head Khaleda Zia from the country but she refused to bow down. Awami League head Sheikh Hasina was in the UK at the time and she was asked to stay away from Bangladesh. All the efforts of the establishment to stop her failed and she finally landed in Dhaka on May 7. A big welcome for Sheikh Hasina at Dhaka airport never discouraged the Bengali establishment and she was arrested on July 16 on corruption charges. She got some relief from the courts but she was again booked in new cases. Her old political rival Khaleda Zia faced the same kind of charges and was also arrested few days ago. The Bangladeshi establishment is determined not to allow the two women to contest the next elections.

The Pakistani establishment seems quite impressed by the performance of the interim government in Bangladesh. President Musharraf tried his best to strike a political deal with former prime minister Benazir Bhutto [Images] under US pressure and delayed the 'minus 2 formula' for a while but this formula is again under discussion in Islamabad's corridors of power after some serious problems emerged during the negotiations with the 'daughter of the east'.

Top government officials claim they are relaxed now because the US can understand the ground reality. Musharraf was serious about sharing power with Bhutto but her demands exposed her real intentions; she actually overestimated her importance and tried to grab everything from Musharraf through negotiations. She got nothing out of them but Musharraf was at least able to break the alliance between Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif by engaging one of them. Both of them were thinking of returning to Pakistan by the same plane but now they are coming separately.

General Musharraf has turned down a proposal to meet Benazir Bhutto again in Abu Dhabi to push for a deal. Former British high commissioner in Pakistan Mark Loyal Grant and some influential Arab personalities are still trying their best to bridge the gap between Bhutto and Musharraf but they face many problems.

Highly placed diplomatic sources have revealed that it is not only the uniform of the President, article 58-2B of the constitution and bar on third-time prime ministership which are still unresolved, but there are many other differences yet to be resolved.

Bhutto is demanding that local bodies must be dissolved before the general elections but both the Pakistan Muslim League-Q leader Chaudhry Shujaat Hussein and Muttahida Quami Movement's Altaf Hussein refused to accept this demand. Shujaat met an MQM delegation the other day in Karachi and both sides decided to set aside all their differences to save the local bodies. Many observers believe that Bhutto underestimated the 'sick man' and his party; in fact, Shujaat proved that he is more influential than the director general of the ISI and National Security Adviser Tariq Aziz who were trying to negotiate a deal with the Pakistan People's Party.

Shujaat dismissed any possibility of his meeting with Bhutto in Dubai to facilitate a deal. He said Benazir Bhutto doesn't believe in 'give and take', she actually believes in 'take and take and take' which is not acceptable to the PML-Q as well as President Musharraf.

Top government officials have also confided to this scribe that a caretaker set-up before the general elections was also discussed with Bhutto. The government wants to appoint former governor of the State Bank Dr Ishrat Hussein as caretaker PM but Bhutto has yet to agree on his name.

A source very close to Bhutto said, "Dr Ishrat Hussein served Musharraf from six years, he is their man, he is not independent and we cannot accept him as caretaker prime minister."

Surprisingly, there are many similarities between the interim head of Bangladesh Dr Fakhruddin Ahmed and Dr Ishrat Hussein. Both served in the World Bank. Both served as the heads of the central banks in their countries. Dr Fakhruddin was governor of the Bangladesh Central Bank from 2001 to 2005 and Dr Ishrat was governor of the State Bank of [Get Quote] Pakistan from 1999 to 2005.

Some other names are also under consideration as caretaker prime minister but Dr Ishrat is still on top. The main task for the interim government would be to hold free and fair elections but the dangerous security situation may become a reason to delay the elections. Some observers still fear the threat of martial law.

General Musharraf also wants to avoid martial law but if the Supreme Court does not allow him to be elect again in army uniform he may take some extreme steps on the Bangladeshi model. Elections could be delayed with the imposition of emergency. The establishment may also arrest Sharif and Bhutto on their arrival in old corruption cases.

A big question will still be there. Can the 'minus 2 formula' bring political stability in Pakistan? This formula has yet not given any stability to Bangladesh. There is a big difference. The Army in Bangladesh is using the civilian face of Dr Fakhruddin Ahmed and not directly calling the shots. Pakistan is different where a sitting army chief is the real face of the government and army personnel are facing suicide attacks from South Waziristan to Rawalpindi.

The minus 2 formula may not deliver in Pakistan. Pakistan needs an 'all-encompassing formula' for stability. Every important political force should be onboard for a fair and free election in Pakistan.

Guest Columns

Good news is that the IB (Intl. Br.) has solved the Nishtar Park Case - and guess who was involved ? A Deobandi from Abbotabad , Pakistan - brainwashed one ofcourse. The identity has been confirmed and the people who planned the whole incident are on the run - in which one of the culprits Mulana Zain from Swat has been arrested.
GoP has announced a award to the IB team - plus the government has announced atleast two housing schemes (one in Islamabad -ext 3, one in Karachi ) for IB officials plus a salary increment.
The role of Intel. Agencies is vital - against fighting mullahs - who happens to be our biggest threat. Glad GoP has finally thought of helping the civilian intel. agencies which is a good sign.

Good news is that the IB (Intl. Br.) has solved the Nishtar Park Case - and guess who was involved ? A Deobandi from Abbotabad , Pakistan - brainwashed one ofcourse. The identity has been confirmed and the people who planned the whole incident are on the run - in which one of the culprits Mulana Zain from Swat has been arrested.
GoP has announced a award to the IB team - plus the government has announced atleast two housing schemes (one in Islamabad -ext 3, one in Karachi ) for IB officials plus a salary increment.
The role of Intel. Agencies is vital - against fighting mullahs - who happens to be our biggest threat. Glad GoP has finally thought of helping the civilian intel. agencies which is a good sign.

Re: # 187

Well lets hope the debate is a long one with enough masala to keep he/she/it off Im's...

Re: # 187

Well lets hope the debate is a long one with enough masala to keep he/she/it off Im's...

check more on www.groundreport.com; and pls keep in mind that ultimately dialogue is the end to all conflicts and lets hope that Gen. Musharraf and his supporters realise this sonner than later, because no war has ever brought any good to anyone fighting it or defending it. The biggest religion is that of humanitarianism and we should all be more concerned about humans then shifting, mixing and margnailised ideologies. as for religion is concerned, its a personal matter and should be treated as such, because whatever we believe in is purely and purely a personal thing between me and what i believe in and shoing tolerance for this would certainly bring more good than evil. sm

Chennai,

I think Dawa behen will be too busy sorting out the Mujahidooooon v/s Kanjaroooooon debate within Pakistan for some time b4 bothering about the IMs.

Regards

dawa-i-dil : Good to see you have got over that debilitating obsession with creating another homeland for Indian Muslims....

Dawa behen,

(are we mad...with fighting with them..which are our own people.... ..these people once saved pakistan from Red Army...freed half Kashmir...and are loyal to pakistan...now suddenly they became terrorists... )

I hope you do not blame us Hanuds/Injuns for your madness.

Regards

and do you know..who are tribal people...in 1800's ..when British were ruling half of world..they not dared to capture that area...Russian upreme power shattered into 26 pieces ...in front of them...whole Europe and US cannot defeat them today....

are we mad...with fighting with them..which are our own people....

majumdar....both leaders are great and brave...but mushy is a coward rat....

jayp..these people once saved pakistan from Red Army...freed half Kashmir...and are loyal to pakistan...now suddenly they became terrorists...

dawa,

You have got it all wrong. The terror strikes are not due to the pak policy of supporting the US, it is due to the pak policy of creating jihadis from the madrassas. They are trained killers seeking the 72 houris and they will kill. It is just a question of getting to them first.

The lal majid hero had said that he has 1000 trained jihadis ready to strike anywhere, and that is the problem.

They were being directed to india, now with the fencing and due indian army, they have to find shshdad in pakistan, simple as that.

Dawa behen,

Welcome back.

(Look at the brave Ahmedi Najad..of Iran..)

Btw who is better MAJ (pbuh) or Ahmedinejad?

Regards

and for the information of readers….the bus under attck was of Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission…..

and people killed in it are not less than 35 or 40..dont belive in what ISPR is saying….

we have lost our excellents minds ..engineers…of our great Nuclear Program..just because of this shameless policy of licking feet of US…

no sensible man will ever justify the suicide killings of innocents…..

but tell me…how many of these suicide bombings happened in Pakistan before the Dictator shamelessly…provided all the facilities to kill innocent people not directly involved in 9/11 of afghnaistan….need not to tell that we once supported them….

Tell me…which law in the whole world allows you to kill any suspicious person without judical inquiry..trial..and investigations…when 82 children were killed in a madrassas without proof ..or investigation..was it right ???????????

when the innocents were killed there…then talibans think…innocents can be killed in Rawalpindi..again..i say…i am telling their pow …i still condemene the suicide …but try to locate the roots ..not mere blaming this and that…..

Did…these tribal people ever revolted against the Pakistan in 60 years…did they not free half of kashmir…..despite of Deorend Line ..and Pakhtoonistan drama..they never revolted and were loyal to pakistan..thats why jinnah…ordered the army not to go thier as they are our people…..

But this shameless dictator..just sell his own hundreds of people for 5000$ each..and sent them to Guantanamo….as he accepted in his book..in line of fire….many of thier relatives are now in Supreme Court …in the famous case of ” Missing Persons”..as many missed are in Gunatanamo…

They were the same people who saved Pakistan once from Red Army..and now we shamelessly …bombarding them..just because..again they are fighting with evil forces which have captured thier country…once they were ” Ankho ka tara” of pakistan and US ..as mujahideen as they were fighting against russia..now suddenly they became terrorists..what the hell is this….

Look at the brave Ahmedi Najad..of Iran..

how he is facing the whole Europe and US …

and look at the our Dictator…his trousers belt start loosing when beautiful Condi…is there on the other side of telephone….

not to mention…his belt also loosed when Richard gave him some childish threats…

he wanted that ..out of 8 points..Mushy will hardly consider 2 or 3 points…but as belt was on the way ..mushy accepted all 8 ponits..in 1 nano second…

Richard..ran to Bush and said…

bushy ..kamal ho gaya …mushy accepetd all our points…which also contained many “choonga” demands..he also accepetd that….

and look at the brave leader of Iran…..how he is resisting the whole world…becuase ..he is an elected leader of 70 million speople..and whole nation is behind his elected represntative..while the mushy belt was held by our God fathers only 16 Corp Commannders of Pakistan..which are ruling over 16 crore people…

I am shameful of calling my self as a citizen of a nuclear and missile state…!!!!!!!!!!

Hamid,

I too agree with you, there is india and RAW hands in it. Not much in teh pindi blast, but in the kidnapping of 300 pak soldiers. India has 5 consulates in afghanistan, no indian has been beheaded in afghanistan, and if I recall, one kidnapped was released.

AS you are aware, after the terrible defeat in 1965, and at kargill, india will resort to anything to discredit the pak army. It is even possible that the pak army, so much used to corruption was paid by the indians to be taken prisoners. Wiuth the known and proven valour of the pak soldiers in 1971, we all knopw that np pak soldier will surrender, especially now that it is a jihadic army, by surrendering the soldier is denied the 72 houris, and to be beheaded by the taliban is definite hell.

All of the above point to indian involvement in pak internal affairs, and pakistan being such a sovereign country, interference in internal matters is enough for any proud paki like tahmed to behead himself.

Hamid mian,

I too have been arguing the same thing for some time. That it was kafirooons who were responsible for the carnage in Dhaka in 1970, masssacre of Pathan/Baluchis in 1970s and currently, of Mohajirs in Karachi in 1990s, of Gilgiti Shias, of Okarans c. 2000, of Lal Masjid in July 2007 and all that.

Regards

...... the horrible hindoos are behind these explosions in pindi ...... who else would do such a dastardly thing ?........... certainly not the mujahidoon or even the kanjaroon - it must be the kafiroon from the wrong side of the border .......

hindustan murdabad !

HP sain,

Re#62

(There tons on good Muslims who work with Hindus in India and Pakistan both. That is just a ridiculous argument. Indian history is replete with such cooperation. Are you denying the history? Second, RAW is an Indian agency or are you suggesting that it is a Hindu agency?)

I am sure there are tons of Muslims and Hindus who work hand in hand. But I am not sure that any good Mujahidooooon (of the fedayeen variety) wud break bread with Kafiroooooooons. Yes, RAW is an Indian agency not a Hanud one, although a recent report on the Indian intelligence (???) agencies suggested that they had hardly any Muslims, an extremely unhappy state of affairs. Besides, you have not understood my main objection to your theory of RAW hands- that Indian Intelligence agencies have no intelligence at all as VRV pointed out. (LOL)


(Taking control of the government property for six months is enough cause for the government to take actions. These guys were showing guns and beating up people. )

And what was the govt doing for 6 months. Sleeping??? GoP inaction was as much responsible for the carnage as the shenanigans of the Aziz bros.

Regards

jeez..not this shit again...if this keeps up, the secretary of state will have to switch to raza.com everytime she calls pakiland to get mushy to heel...maybe relianceindiacall can give the gotus a better package deal...flat rate and reliable connections...for when the SoS needs to threaten to bomb pakiland to the stone age or call el-presidente to get him to back down from declaring an emergency..

Musharraf Faces Limited Options
Adviser Says State of Emergency Possible

By Griff Witte
Washington Post Foreign Service
Wednesday, September 5, 2007; Page A10

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Sept. 4 -- A top adviser to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf acknowledged Tuesday that the general's options for staying in power are increasingly bleak and said that a declaration of emergency is being considered as a way of keeping him in office.

Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, president of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, said that while a complete military takeover under martial law had been ruled out, a state of emergency that would allow for the postponement of elections for up to a year and the curtailment of individual liberties was still on the table. "Martial law is a very harsh word," Hussain said in an interview. "Emergency rule is not so harsh."

#167 Posted by cliftonbridge

I have my doubts on this cliff girl now. Is she a girl or is she in the middle…

For an urdudaan, you are simply pathetic. Havyoon is Persian for Havaan.
This word is more authentic than liberoon or kanjaroon etc.

Kaal
“Indian agent label can be sold when it is used against Mohajirs,”

You cannot even fathom the basics of Pakistani politics and the labels game. This is one label you cannot place on a Mohajir’s forehead. Look at Echoboom. He came to Pakistan in the 70s and no one can call him an Indian now even though all Mohajiroon who stayed back in the 70s are still Indian citizens.
Do you know how Mohajir is Shahrbano? Very mohajir, undiluted mohajir!

Pathans are an easy sell for Indian agent label. They have lived with this for a long time and I guess this time around, the worst of them, the Havyoons, should be labeled Indian Agents.

(I often suspect you of being an Indian, and you may be).

That’s a good one. The reality is that the nationalist in Pakistan, whether they are Baloch, Pathan or Sindhi are ideologically closer to the Indian National Congress of yore. I hope now you can figure out where that Indian agent label comes from and how it can be used.

“ But true red-blooded Islamists?”

Mufti Mehmood was called Hindu agent in NWFP. These Jamiat e Islami folks are still united India aficionados in their heart of hearts.

At the Edge of Revolution: Does Pakistan Have a Khomeini?

LAHORE, Pakistan -- "The only time I wore a burka was at a fancy-dress ball," says Unver, a Pakistani painter hailing from an upper class Pakistani family. Speaking to a group of friends, he recounts sending his driver to the market to buy him the cheap, all-enveloping veil sealed with a face grill that many of Pakistan's most conservative women wear on sorties outside the house.

"After forty minutes of wearing that thing, I was drenched in sweat. Next time I saw my driver, I asked him how his wife can wear that thing all the time. He just looked at me with an expression that said, 'You don't understand.'"


Unver's post-party exchange with his driver hints at the massive cultural gap between the elites inhabiting the villas vacated by the British colonial masters and the vast majority of Pakistan's 190 million poverty-stricken masses. In Iran, a resource-rich country twice the size of Pakistan and with a third its population, this social disparity helped galvanize the 1979 Revolution that led to the foundation of the first Islamic Republic in the Middle East. Could this be the path that Pakistan will follow?

Unver is the only one of his siblings to have returned to Pakistan from the West. One of Pakistan's foremost painters, he sells his striking figurative and abstract works for several times what the average Pakistani makes in a year. His world is peopled by a British-accented Pakistani elite inhabiting exclusive districts of Lahore or Karachi and punctuated with shooting and fishing getaways conducted against a background of private guards, cooks and drivers. In Iran, almost thirty years ago, people such as Unver were shocked when the classes to which their servants belonged rose up to overthrow them and confiscate their properties. Could it be Pakistan's turn next?

"A civil war in slow motion has started already," said a Lahore-based Pakistani journalist who refused to be named for fear of jeopardizing his position. "Musharraf has a double standard: he's killing Baloch nationalists in the name of security and patronizing mullahs inside the capital."

Pakistan's military President came to power in a 1999 coup and assumed the position of Washington's main partner in its post-9/11 War on Terror. To safeguard American aid, Musharraf conjured the specter of Islamic radicalism as the only alternative to himself in a bid to convince the Americans that he is an indispensable partner. At the same time, he gave religious radicals more leeway to conduct their activities than at any other time since the Islamist Pakistani President Zia Ul Haqq.

In a notorious, ongoing case, hundreds of madrasseh students have taken over Islamabad's Red Mosque, a radical seminary, and are running an independent religious court that bypasses Pakistani law to implement Islamic law directly. The mosque's male and female students have also launched anti-vice patrols that target music and video shops. Meanwhile, in the northern Pakistani city Charsadda, two-dozen music shops have been blown up in the past month. In Iran, all Western music and films were banned after the Revolution and morality militias called Bassijis manned checkpoints and raided homes in which unrelated men and women were suspected of mingling.

In Balochistan, a restive and underdeveloped province adjoining Iran, Pakistan has constructed the fourth deepest port in the world with Chinese help. When ready, it will give Beijing a valuable strategic foot-hold close to the energy-rich Persian Gulf, long an American zone of influence. Washington is less than delighted about the budding Sino-Pakistani friendship, which has led to Musharraf stepping up his repression of armed Baloch factions who are demanding greater profit-sharing with the state and increased autonomy. Across the border with Iran, a series of explosions and kidnappings by a mysterious group called Jundullah (Soldier of God) has targeted the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, giving rise to Iranian accusations that the United States is involved in funneling arms, money and terrorist know-how to the anti-Tehran group as part of its strategy to pressure the Islamic Republic.



Elsewhere in Pakistan, social inequality is on the rise. Rather than addressing the simmering resentment and widespread poverty of the people, the incestuously intertwined political and business establishment is giving its blessing to the construction of Dubai-style exclusive gated compounds with names such as Canyon Views and Crescent Bay where the rich can isolate themselves from the anger of the poor. The remains of such compounds still exist in today's North Tehran, although they are now inhabited by the new "revolutionary" aristocracy. During the Shah's time, they were the exclusive domain of foreign, often American, advisers subcontracted out to the Shah's modernization drive. Like Pakistan, Iran had also signed an intrusive Status of Forces Agreement (SoFA) with Washington that exempted U.S. personnel from prosecution under local courts in the event they committed a crime while in the host country.



Pakistan's elites inhabit exclusive, British-designed ghettos with 24-hour access to water and electricity and names such as Cantonment, Defence and GOR (Government Officials Residences). Their villas are set back from wide, tree-lined boulevards embedded with speed-bumps to minimize rowdy driving and terrorist attacks. Lush, plentifully-watered gardens poke over high walls, within which small detachments of servants bustle about preparing Sahib's car or Madame's social excursion. Educated in British-style public schools and American universities, Pakistan's upper classes speak mostly English among themselves, switching to Urdu to address the servants. Avoiding the slum-infested popular parts of town, they feed themselves at Western fast-food franchises and turn a blind eye to the assorted scrums of beggars clamoring to clean their windscreens or sell them jasmine-bracelets at traffic lights. In the summers, they migrate from Lahore or Karachi to London, taking a break from a busy social calendar that peaks in December with glittering weddings and parties catered by small armies and splashed across the glossy pages of socialite magazines.



Having been based in Iran for the past three years and having studied the social conditions that led to that revolution, I was assaulted by an ominous sense of déjà vu as I witnessed Pakistan's moneyed professionals discuss the emboldened religious conservatives in horrified tones at nightly salons. The way in which they mystifiedly asked each other who the niqab-clad women occupying the Lal Masjed (the takeover of the Red Mosque by radical Talibs is the latest manifestation of Islamist fervor in the Pakistani capital) reminded me of the befuddlement with which Iran's upper classes confronted the great unwashed after they took over Tehran's streets, ousted the Shah, voted overwhelmingly for an Islamic Republic and moved into the lavishly-appointed ministries of a defunct Imperial Iran.



Today, those formerly scruffy revolutionaries have aged gracefully in power, educated their children at foreign universities and chanelled their profits into international companies with interests in Dubai, London and New York. In the summer of 2005, it was their turn to look appalled as another wave of the great unwashed, led by current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, stepped up to the seat of power.
So when can we expect the Revolution? Well, possibly not anytime soon.

"Pakistan's very social fabric has been broken, ever since Zia ul Haqq," said Javed Muazzam, the chairman of the Pakistan People's Party - Shahid Bhutto and Pakistan's longest-serving political prisoner during the reign of former Islamist premier Zia ul Haqq. "We've become a country of crises but even now people are not ready to come to the streets. They've been divided in religion, language and faith basis and lost their faith in the political parties that betrayed him."

Pakistan may be an overwhelmingly Muslim state, but it is split between a Sunni majority and Shiite minority and lacks a Khomeini-style religious leader behind which its fragmented religious groups can unite. None of the country's clerics possess the charisma of the founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while the corrupt antics of the leaders of Pakistan's mainstream political parties have robbed them of their popular legitimacy. Musharraf has taken advantage of this by building a strategic domestic alliance with the MQM, a thuggish political party that was largely responsible for violence two weeks ago that killed around 40 people in Karachi.

"He has parceled up the country and sold it off to people whose support his needs," said Benazir Bhutto, a two-time former prime minister with corruption charges pending against her. "He has given Karachi to the MQM like he has given the (North Western) Frontier to the religious extremists."



But not one of the religious parties is led by a personality of inspirational and unblemished religious credentials. The head cleric of the Red Mosque, Maulana Abdel Aziz, has been widely quoted in the headlines recently for threatening an anti-government jihad.



"We will not retreat. We will sacrifice our lives," said Abdul Rashid Ghazi, a spokesman at the Lal Masjid mosque.

However, neither he nor Abdel Aziz can match Khomeini in stature or the magnetic hold exercised over ordinary people. Ironically, perhaps Pakistan's most popular Muslim preacher is an Indian: Zahir Naik. Unknown to the West, he employs his fluent, sarcastic English to fashion biting retorts to perceived Western encroachments upon Islam that endear him to the millions of the subcontinent's middle class Muslims who feel directionless in these troubled times.



Ultimately, Pakistan is perhaps too young and insecure a nation to sustain a genuinely popular anti-establishment movement rising from the streets.

"Iranian society is intact and deep-rooted but we're not," said Munib. "Iranians have 3,000 years of nationhood and an accompanying arrogance. We don't."

Perhaps the reason for the almost servile respect that is directed towards foreigners lies in Pakistan's short nationhood -- just sixty years have elapsed since the state was created in 1947. It is an attitude diametrically opposed to the Iranian mistrust -- official and popular -- of Westerners and the single largest factor contributing to the two countries' foreign policy: Iran is an international pariah and member of the so-called Axis of Evil, while Pakistan is the most trusted Muslim partner in the War on Terror.

Perhaps the Pakistani Khomeini is even now preaching in a mosque in the conservative city of Multan or studying in a madrasseh in the North Western Frontier Province. But his ability to reach out to the masses will be hampered by Pakistan's Sunni-Shiite divide and the country's fragmented Muslim identity.








"In our subconscious we're shaped by Hindu mythology," said Rumman Ihsan, a journalist for Pakistan's Dawn television. "We worship idols, not democratic principles, and live in a fool's paradise, feeling that we're still the Muslim Moghul princes who ruled the Continent."


Iason Athanasiadis is an analyst and writer who recently left Iran after three years living in Tehran

prophet tahmed(pbuysrr): no paki was arrested for terrorism(in america...today)

how's that for a positive story for today?

I'll mention the paki busted for terrorism in denmark tomorrow....

#165 Posted by HP on September 4, 2007 8:08:54 pm


Link them to India and repeat this at least 20 times a day and people will catch on


yes...PAKI people will "catch on"..but nobody outside your echo chamber of self-delusion will take you seriously...

cliffs, that would be haywan oons :)
-------------------

HP

Again, Indian agent label can be sold when it is used against Mohajirs, and liberal Sindhis and Punjabis (I often suspect you of being an Indian, and you may be). And of course, against Badshah khan.

But true red-blooded Islamists?

Two years, that's all, one suspects, Islamists need at this time, if you give those to them.

What do you think, zee? If HP spends two years calling Islamists Indian agents, will he be better off at the end of those two years?

Somehow I doubt that. :)

Prime Minister Azim Premji
Maybe we should invite the Narayan Murthy and Azim Premji pair from India to handle Pakistan politics for some time. They would concentrate on technology/economy and also curb the overwhelming interference of the military in civil affairs. Premji can be the prime minister and Murthy can be the President. And no, the suggestion is not as outrageoous as it sounds. These guys would gain immediate trust from US and India. They would cause strengthening of democratic insstitutions. They would not indulge in corruption and loot. BB & NS on the other hand would only act on predictable lines with "Twenty percent" etc.

I got this idea when I read about someone pining for a "noble Sayyid" or "any decent Arab" as a leader for Pakistan.

Give it a thought folks.

who are havyoons?

Re: # 112 Posted by hamidm2 on September 4, 2007 12:29:18 pm

Hamid2,do women in kanjaroonistan wear underwears?

These Havyoons are Indian Agents.

I really think that the Pakistan made a huge mistake by not linking it to India and RAW. Soon they will have to re-think this stupid approach.

The problem with Pakistan is that these Havyoon are enemies of Pakistan but they are treated as internal enemies which is costing lots of political capital. Pakistan needs to discredit them but just calling them Havyoon is not enough.

There is a need to toss several adjectives at them and one of them is Indian agents. We know the right adjective, we just to put this label on them.

Many in Pakistan have been called Indian agents and have been discredited politically and often denied political space based on the disqualification that they are Indian agents.
So in this case, Pakistan needs to get on with this and start calling them Indian agent.

Relations with India are not important at this time. Pakistan has lived with whatever relations we have India for 60 years; a couple of more years will not make any difference. India uses the same strategy when it ties its internal political issues to ISI and Pakistan. I think it is absolutely important that these Havyoons are linked with India as Indian agent.

I will fine tune this whole theory in a couple of days and would send to my friends in the Pakistan foreign office. They have listened to me before and I am sure they will understand what I am suggesting.

Link them to India and repeat this at least 20 times a day and people will catch on…..

This is what you get when you create a country for
mediocres, peons become lawyers and havaldars
become COAS.

Two blasts leave 27 dead, 70 injured, and Musharraf arrests....those threatening his re-election bid. :-(

Opponents of Musharraf rounded up
By Syed Shoaib Hasan
BBC News, Islamabad

Police in Pakistan have arrested dozens of activists belonging to former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's party.
Mr Sharif was deposed and exiled in a 1999 coup by Pakistan's current leader, Gen Pervez Musharraf.

Mr Sharif announced last week that he would return to Pakistan on 10 September after seven years of exile.

Meanwhile, talks between the government and another former Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, and her Pakistan People's Party have resumed in the UAE.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6978619.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ south_asia/6978619.stm

Try again....

#160 Good effort, "paki paki" Arjun. But you miserably failed Mr. Madani's simple challenge.

#158 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 4, 2007 6:57:00 pm

I challenge you pakis to stop supporting islamic terrorism for one day...

#158 Mr. Madani: Challenging Mr. "paki paki" Arjun to cut and paste even 1 positive story is like challenging a monkey to talk without scratching himself all over and chattering nonsense all the time. In other words, it would require a leap in evolution.

Re: # 155

Mr.Arjun.... I challenge you and cut paste even 1 positive story a day. It is tough challenge due to your search methods.

Kaalchakra #153 On the issue of ISI finding spies in India, perhaps we should think of something more socially useful (maybe sending zeemax and hamidm on a tour of India so they could totally confuse the population with the variety of viewpoints in Pakistan).

arjun: Let's see...Kulharee is the prophet who declares Pakistan is headed to become North Korea (thus helping ensure chowk retains its title as the World Capital of Wishful Thinking). "paki paki" arjun wets his lungi with delight and does a pre-emptive strike by declaring Kulharee the winner and tahmed to be a false prophet. :-(

#153 Posted by Kulharee on September 4, 2007 6:07:19 pm


Pakistan is a North Korea in the making


Pakistan is the new egypt..country based around denial...

and of course..prophet tahmed(pbuhsrr) is queen cleopatra..the queen of denial...

Deserves an encore!
#145 Posted by AlephNull on September 4, 2007 3:41:58 pm
"
From Romair’s post:…

I do know the PAF is on alert. I think the US C-141s are going to start rolling in soon. I have a feeling the Pakistani pilots and army will assist and guide the US into Afghanistan, if it decides to carry out an invasion (even though the Pakistani govt. won`t admit it openly). There is no way the US soldiers can carry it out on their own. They don`t have the intelligence, they don`t know the terrain, can`t speak the language. Infact, they can barely pronouce the names of the cities.

I`ve trained with the Pakistanis, with Middle Easterners and with Americans. I will take the Pakistani soldier over any other soldier anyday (any soldier except for an Afghan soldier, that is).

Man, this is getting interesting. Information Technology suc/ */s as a profession. No glory. I wanna go back and put on the uniform.
There’s more in the same vein."
____________________________________________________________
t o quote the classic line by echoboom again.
"
As I have written earlier.
Romair writes the most humorous stuff on CHOWK. Hamid2 has rancour & bitterness in him...a no no for a GOOD humourist."

From Mushy if done! article

You know what is there to be loved about Pakistanis, is that the whole country is going to dogs, and all we can do is blame others for our own misery. Life is really that simple for Pakistanis. A new term for Head in the sand-ism (going Paki). Pakistan is a North Korea in the making, except we have tall and handsome Jawans and our women people speak much better English.

tahmed32 and cliffs, it's actually quite a relief to know that Mohajirs don't face that problem.

Sometimes, prejudice works through blind association. In India, for instance, the group 'most suspected' of collaborating with Pakistanis and being ISI agents may be Indian Muslims.

However, in practice, that suspicion may hardly be justified. It would be far smarter for the ISI and Pakistanis to work through two types of Indian Hindus themselves - leftist Hindus for ideological reasons and Hindu right if they can find (or trap) personally needy individuals willing to sell their country for personal considerations.

#149 Posted by tahmed32 on S