Saeed Minhas September 4, 2007
#17 Posted by dost_mittar on September 4, 2007 5:05:23 am
nasahji#13:
Mush would be stupid to do that. In the current environment, imposition of Martial Law would invariably bring emboldened crowds bring crowds onto the streets; if he orders the army to fire on the crowds, the ranks are likely to rebel, a chance he cannot afford to take. He still might do it, but a better alternative for him will be to read the writing on the wall, hand over the baton to someone else (NSC?) and go on a Vanwaas to the new Sone Ki Lanka, i.e, the US of A.
Mush would be stupid to do that. In the current environment, imposition of Martial Law would invariably bring emboldened crowds bring crowds onto the streets; if he orders the army to fire on the crowds, the ranks are likely to rebel, a chance he cannot afford to take. He still might do it, but a better alternative for him will be to read the writing on the wall, hand over the baton to someone else (NSC?) and go on a Vanwaas to the new Sone Ki Lanka, i.e, the US of A.
#18 Posted by zeemax on September 4, 2007 5:13:00 am
#17 Posted by dost_mittar,
Actually, someone should tell us exactly what difference any emergency or martial-law rule can make in the handling of the insurgency in Waziristan (head scratching) ...
Actually, someone should tell us exactly what difference any emergency or martial-law rule can make in the handling of the insurgency in Waziristan (head scratching) ...
#19 Posted by zeemax on September 4, 2007 5:15:18 am
... i.e. what would martial-law/emergency enable which the government isn't doing right now ...
#20 Posted by dost_mittar on September 4, 2007 5:25:02 am
zee#19:
I am surprised that you asked this question. It will suspend fundamental rights, it will suspend the Supreme Court activism and it would end the press freedom and it could suspend all political activity. The problem is that the awaam have tasted their power and are not going to take it.
BTW, it won't make any difference in Waziristan and the tribal areas.
I am surprised that you asked this question. It will suspend fundamental rights, it will suspend the Supreme Court activism and it would end the press freedom and it could suspend all political activity. The problem is that the awaam have tasted their power and are not going to take it.
BTW, it won't make any difference in Waziristan and the tribal areas.
#21 Posted by hamidm2 on September 4, 2007 5:26:03 am
zeemax,
.... so your wildest wet dreams are coming true ? ... when do you see this islamic revolution being completed ? .... what is the buzz around your cell network ?
#22 Posted by zeemax on September 4, 2007 5:34:23 am
#20 Posted by dost_mittar,
BTW, it won't make any difference in Waziristan and the tribal areas.
Exactly. Still surprised at why I asked the question? It was to point out the ignorance of those people who think this can be a pretext for emergency rule.
BTW, it won't make any difference in Waziristan and the tribal areas.
Exactly. Still surprised at why I asked the question? It was to point out the ignorance of those people who think this can be a pretext for emergency rule.
#23 Posted by zeemax on September 4, 2007 5:37:15 am
#21 Posted by hamidm2,
.... so your wildest wet dreams are coming true ? ...
Not till I see you off at the guillotine park :)
.... so your wildest wet dreams are coming true ? ...
Not till I see you off at the guillotine park :)
#24 Posted by Dash_Dot on September 4, 2007 6:00:36 am
dost-mittar perhaps you over-estimate the pak_janta!
I feel martial law/emergency and the lid would be on for a few months. The imposition would come as a surprise - if done right now then the parties are prepared and the outcome would perhaps be as you suggested.
OTOH waiting for some more blood to be shed and hitting a few more defence/armed personnel there might be a clamour for this from the middle classes (remember the middle classes in pakistan are a venal lot - we see that on chowk the number of times there has been a volte-face (romair and YLH are two such examples)
I feel martial law/emergency and the lid would be on for a few months. The imposition would come as a surprise - if done right now then the parties are prepared and the outcome would perhaps be as you suggested.
OTOH waiting for some more blood to be shed and hitting a few more defence/armed personnel there might be a clamour for this from the middle classes (remember the middle classes in pakistan are a venal lot - we see that on chowk the number of times there has been a volte-face (romair and YLH are two such examples)
#25 Posted by Dash_Dot on September 4, 2007 6:08:18 am
Re: # 22
dost and zeemax what is to stop Mushy and the us using daisy-cutters there after an ultimatum?
Nothing - and there will not be more than a handful of souls who will complain or can do anything.
Mark my words if really required the pak army can do it. but so far it serves their vital interests (as perceived by the army) to hold them at arms length with their fingers on their nostrils.
dost and zeemax what is to stop Mushy and the us using daisy-cutters there after an ultimatum?
Nothing - and there will not be more than a handful of souls who will complain or can do anything.
Mark my words if really required the pak army can do it. but so far it serves their vital interests (as perceived by the army) to hold them at arms length with their fingers on their nostrils.
#26 Posted by dost_mittar on September 4, 2007 6:30:06 am
Dash_Dot#25:
"dost and zeemax what is to stop Mushy and the us using daisy-cutters there after an ultimatum?"
The US doesn't need an Emergency to do so, but I don't think that they would as long as Mush or a compliant regime in Islamabad is to be supported.
But for the Pak army to do so, the people of Pakistan have to be more angry with the tribals than with the regime in Islamabad. I don't think that this is so now, but is more likely if a new regime is in place.
"dost and zeemax what is to stop Mushy and the us using daisy-cutters there after an ultimatum?"
The US doesn't need an Emergency to do so, but I don't think that they would as long as Mush or a compliant regime in Islamabad is to be supported.
But for the Pak army to do so, the people of Pakistan have to be more angry with the tribals than with the regime in Islamabad. I don't think that this is so now, but is more likely if a new regime is in place.
#27 Posted by philosopher on September 4, 2007 6:38:56 am
Re: # 21hamid choora
(((so your wildest wet dreams are coming true ?)))
Zee's widest dream of having ''ice cream'' is coming true.
Zee
Don't forget to give me my share and the empty bucket to abu_safwaan
(((so your wildest wet dreams are coming true ?)))
Zee's widest dream of having ''ice cream'' is coming true.
Zee
Don't forget to give me my share and the empty bucket to abu_safwaan
#28 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2007 6:49:28 am
philosopher: does calling someone a "choora" lower that person? No. Is a "choora" not as worthy as a perfumed maulvi or a bejewelled landlord? No.
All it shows is that you are a victim of the corrupt, de facto casteist culture of Pakistan!!
All it shows is that you are a victim of the corrupt, de facto casteist culture of Pakistan!!
#29 Posted by Kulharee on September 4, 2007 6:52:59 am
This appears to be a celebration in anticipation of Sharif/Bhutto arrival. The bottomline is that the corrupt Army of Pakistan is paying by getting its due. When an innocent Pakistani is killed, it is a sad day for the nation, when a Army dog is whacked, it is time to celebrate. May the Army of Pakistan be eaten by pigs, even thought Army meat is haram.
#30 Posted by tahmed32 on September 4, 2007 6:58:40 am
kulharee: Sitting comfortably in New York, your expressing joy at the death of people going to work in Pakistan (never mind the damned politics) is very disappointing. How are you any better than the maulvis who hounded the community you so strongly identify with (Ahmedis) in Pakistan?
#31 Posted by shishapa on September 4, 2007 6:58:47 am
Itna gussa Pakistani army per? Does not it save
you guys from horrible Hindus? Does it not save
you from buri nazar of horrible hindus?
Kuch to socha karo Pakistaniyon!
you guys from horrible Hindus? Does it not save
you from buri nazar of horrible hindus?
Kuch to socha karo Pakistaniyon!
#32 Posted by Kulharee on September 4, 2007 7:04:26 am
(#3) T Saab, first of all, what is it Pak Army’s business to be in the Tribal Areas (an autonomous region, only administratively part of Pakistan). I honestly hope that you are familiar with Pakistani constitution and all. Are we in some kind of “War” with our neighbors or whatnot? I think you see things thru a very simplistic paradigm.
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