Mohammad Gill September 4, 2007
#25 Posted by tahmed32 on September 5, 2007 1:37:55 pm
I think it is wonderful that, despite having done so much for the poorest members of society, Mother Teresa had time to reflect on, and write about, issues of faith and existence. My respect for her increases even more on learning about this aspect of her character.
#26 Posted by aslam644 on September 5, 2007 2:14:15 pm
I remember reading about an old convent in Yorkshire England, where builders discovered remains of young babies, it seems some of the nuns had gotten pregnant, god knows who by may be some catholic priest, the aborted babies were buried in the garden of the convent. I think in the past many of the catholic girls were forced to become nuns against their will.
#27 Posted by GhalibZaman on September 5, 2007 3:31:57 pm
thanks
Naqshbandi & aslam sahibaan.
let me repeat #22
.When you have guns to back up your RATIONALITY, even your lunatics are celebrated as geniuses...
Some get exorcisms performed on them , some are sent to the licensed charlatans & given electric-shocks.
............................................
Remember she was a Saint (NOT peer)...hence our repects
Remember she got a medal.from sweden.must must respect that.
Remember she was White...makes lots & lots of difference.
Remember she was a European, and a christian, not an arab paki Indian or Iranian bloody muslim......Respects respects.
Remember she agonised, reflected, jinns attacked her, they
exorcised her jinns...............RESPECTS Galore.
TaaliyaaaN!
Naqshbandi & aslam sahibaan.
let me repeat #22
.When you have guns to back up your RATIONALITY, even your lunatics are celebrated as geniuses...
Some get exorcisms performed on them , some are sent to the licensed charlatans & given electric-shocks.
............................................
Remember she was a Saint (NOT peer)...hence our repects
Remember she got a medal.from sweden.must must respect that.
Remember she was White...makes lots & lots of difference.
Remember she was a European, and a christian, not an arab paki Indian or Iranian bloody muslim......Respects respects.
Remember she agonised, reflected, jinns attacked her, they
exorcised her jinns...............RESPECTS Galore.
TaaliyaaaN!
#28 Posted by Kulharee on September 5, 2007 6:44:53 pm
#27 Gulab Jaman, how does Mother Teresa’s worldly status lowers the status of the morons that may be dear to you? If you can’t show respect to such a revered person, don’t expect anyone to show any to yours.
Her belief in God was her personal struggle, and shouldn’t even be a matter of discussion. If we can believe a guy taking pony express to heavens and back, and another to come down from skies, her little uncertainty about divinity is peanuts in comparison.
Her belief in God was her personal struggle, and shouldn’t even be a matter of discussion. If we can believe a guy taking pony express to heavens and back, and another to come down from skies, her little uncertainty about divinity is peanuts in comparison.
#29 Posted by thinkingstorm on September 5, 2007 7:01:11 pm
so much for the sufi learnings naqsh!
Can you ignore all the good work that poor woman did? Or are you too busy becoming another rote mullah (but hiding under the sufi garb)?
She did a tonne of good work, and she was not arrogant about it, or thought herself pious and elevated due to that work. That shows true charachter.
Can you ignore all the good work that poor woman did? Or are you too busy becoming another rote mullah (but hiding under the sufi garb)?
She did a tonne of good work, and she was not arrogant about it, or thought herself pious and elevated due to that work. That shows true charachter.
#31 Posted by tahmed32 on September 5, 2007 7:42:34 pm
GhalibZaman: When you have - or when some maulvi has - spent as much time as Teresa did taking care of poverty stricken lepers and others, then you can talk. Or when you, or any damned maulvi, has spent even a day doing this, then you can talk.
Till then, your post is as hollow as a maulvis loudspeaker.
Till then, your post is as hollow as a maulvis loudspeaker.
#32 Posted by teshah on September 5, 2007 8:56:47 pm
Re: # 14
drsohail
Nice write-up; I totally agree with you. It reminds me of BaYazid Bistami, a Muslim saint, who had a vision of journeying to heaven where he found the chair to be empty which he promptly occupied himself.
One who rises to the status of a saint becomes a 'Bhagwan' himself (At least according to Hindu philosophy). Poor Bhagwan, having no super-bhagwan Himself to love and worship, can turn only to his creation and love them to fill up His emptiness and allay His loneliness within.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
drsohail
Nice write-up; I totally agree with you. It reminds me of BaYazid Bistami, a Muslim saint, who had a vision of journeying to heaven where he found the chair to be empty which he promptly occupied himself.
One who rises to the status of a saint becomes a 'Bhagwan' himself (At least according to Hindu philosophy). Poor Bhagwan, having no super-bhagwan Himself to love and worship, can turn only to his creation and love them to fill up His emptiness and allay His loneliness within.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
#33 Posted by KaalChakra on September 5, 2007 9:13:57 pm
No one detests missionaries as much as I do. I hold them in total contempt at every level, individually and as a general group.
Yet 'Mother' Teresa rose above that. One salutes her for she was ultimately a very good person (despite her sainthood) who did very good work as her lifelong mission.
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teshah ji, that is a beautiful statement of bhagwanhood, although uniquely put. :)
Yet 'Mother' Teresa rose above that. One salutes her for she was ultimately a very good person (despite her sainthood) who did very good work as her lifelong mission.
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teshah ji, that is a beautiful statement of bhagwanhood, although uniquely put. :)
#34 Posted by bjkumar on September 5, 2007 9:49:32 pm
Note: I did not read the interacts.
All people of faith have crises of faith. The reason is simple – the practitioners of the faith are human beings.
If you met somebody of faith who knows all the answers and tells you they know all the answers and that they have no doubts at all – you have met a liar!
And if, by the remotest of chances, they are indeed not lying and they really believe what they are saying about not having those crises – run away from such individuals as fast as you can – because you have met sheer evil!
Mother Teresa comes across as a very human individual. Why is that so difficult to see?
PS: Mother Teresa was admired across the world not because of the strength of her faith but because of the goodness of her heart and the acts which resulted from such goodness!
All people of faith have crises of faith. The reason is simple – the practitioners of the faith are human beings.
If you met somebody of faith who knows all the answers and tells you they know all the answers and that they have no doubts at all – you have met a liar!
And if, by the remotest of chances, they are indeed not lying and they really believe what they are saying about not having those crises – run away from such individuals as fast as you can – because you have met sheer evil!
Mother Teresa comes across as a very human individual. Why is that so difficult to see?
PS: Mother Teresa was admired across the world not because of the strength of her faith but because of the goodness of her heart and the acts which resulted from such goodness!
#35 Posted by GhalibZaman on September 5, 2007 9:54:21 pm
NO need to get upset; Its her own church which is talking about her in a very civilisedlanguage , of course
or are we more christian than Christ?
____________________________________________________________
FULL REPORT here:
http://ww w.slate.com/id/2090083/
Mommie Dearest:The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.
"excerpts"...
By Christopher Hitchens
Mother Teresa: No saint
"
..." What is so striking about the "beatification" of the woman who styled herself "Mother" Teresa is the abject surrender, on the part of the church, to the forces of showbiz, superstition, and populism."...
"
...
It's the sheer tawdriness that strikes the eye first of all. It used to be that a person could not even be nominated for "beatification," the first step to "sainthood," until five years after his or her death. This was to guard against local or popular enthusiasm in the promotion of dubious characters. The pope nominated MT a year after her death in 1997. It also used to be that an apparatus of inquiry was set in train, including the scrutiny of an advocatus diaboli or "devil's advocate," to test any extraordinary claims. The pope has abolished this office and has created more instant saints than all his predecessors combined as far back as the 16th century.
...................."
"...
A Bengali woman named Monica Besra claims that a beam of light emerged from a picture of MT, which she happened to have in her home, and relieved her of a cancerous tumor. Her physician, Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, says that she didn't have a cancerous tumor in the first place and that the tubercular cyst she did have was cured by a course of prescription medicine. Was he interviewed by the Vatican's investigators? No. (As it happens, I myself was interviewed by them but only in the most perfunctory way. The procedure still does demand a show of consultation with doubters, and a show of consultation was what, in this case, it got.)
"
"...
Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions."
or are we more christian than Christ?
____________________________________________________________
FULL REPORT here:
http://ww w.slate.com/id/2090083/
Mommie Dearest:The pope beatifies Mother Teresa, a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud.
"excerpts"...
By Christopher Hitchens
Mother Teresa: No saint
"
..." What is so striking about the "beatification" of the woman who styled herself "Mother" Teresa is the abject surrender, on the part of the church, to the forces of showbiz, superstition, and populism."...
"
...
It's the sheer tawdriness that strikes the eye first of all. It used to be that a person could not even be nominated for "beatification," the first step to "sainthood," until five years after his or her death. This was to guard against local or popular enthusiasm in the promotion of dubious characters. The pope nominated MT a year after her death in 1997. It also used to be that an apparatus of inquiry was set in train, including the scrutiny of an advocatus diaboli or "devil's advocate," to test any extraordinary claims. The pope has abolished this office and has created more instant saints than all his predecessors combined as far back as the 16th century.
...................."
"...
A Bengali woman named Monica Besra claims that a beam of light emerged from a picture of MT, which she happened to have in her home, and relieved her of a cancerous tumor. Her physician, Dr. Ranjan Mustafi, says that she didn't have a cancerous tumor in the first place and that the tubercular cyst she did have was cured by a course of prescription medicine. Was he interviewed by the Vatican's investigators? No. (As it happens, I myself was interviewed by them but only in the most perfunctory way. The procedure still does demand a show of consultation with doubters, and a show of consultation was what, in this case, it got.)
"
"...
Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions."
#36 Posted by bjkumar on September 5, 2007 10:23:30 pm
#33 Bhrata Kaal
What is this stuff about "detesting" missionaries?
Missionaries do good social service work. If some of their beneficiaries decide to convert, why does that bother you? Ask yourself the simple question - why don't the Hindus try to improve the same conditions so those folks will remain Hindu?
Do not say that you don't "like" missionaries!
Work harder at it and I am sure you will soon see many advantages in liking a more missionary position!
What is this stuff about "detesting" missionaries?
Missionaries do good social service work. If some of their beneficiaries decide to convert, why does that bother you? Ask yourself the simple question - why don't the Hindus try to improve the same conditions so those folks will remain Hindu?
Do not say that you don't "like" missionaries!
Work harder at it and I am sure you will soon see many advantages in liking a more missionary position!
#37 Posted by GhalibZaman on September 5, 2007 10:33:31 pm
http://www.meteorbooks.com/
Present
Mother Teresa The Final Verdict
By
Aroup Chatterjee downloading book cover picture...
Was Mother Teresa for real, or was she 20th Century's biggest fairy tale ?
Prepare to be disillusioned...
You can read the whole book (text only, without the photos) online Click
Most people who swoon over "Mother Teresa" have never been exposed to anything but the mass media and / or the Catholic press versions of her life. Rarely have they even heard of the scholarly analysis of her life and work done by Aroup Chatterjee, a writer born in Calcutta who briefly worked for one of Mother Teresa's homes, and then spent eight years doing the research which culminated in his 425 page book "The Final Verdict", published in 2002. His is the most comprehensive critical analysis of Mother Teresa's life and work to date.
"Was Mother Teresa for real, " he asks, "or was she the 20th Century's biggest fairy tale? Prepare to be disillusioned . . ."
You can buy the hard copy book, or you can read the whole book (text only, without the photos) online at :
the Meteor Book "The Final Verdict
Present
Mother Teresa The Final Verdict
By
Aroup Chatterjee downloading book cover picture...
Was Mother Teresa for real, or was she 20th Century's biggest fairy tale ?
Prepare to be disillusioned...
You can read the whole book (text only, without the photos) online Click
Most people who swoon over "Mother Teresa" have never been exposed to anything but the mass media and / or the Catholic press versions of her life. Rarely have they even heard of the scholarly analysis of her life and work done by Aroup Chatterjee, a writer born in Calcutta who briefly worked for one of Mother Teresa's homes, and then spent eight years doing the research which culminated in his 425 page book "The Final Verdict", published in 2002. His is the most comprehensive critical analysis of Mother Teresa's life and work to date.
"Was Mother Teresa for real, " he asks, "or was she the 20th Century's biggest fairy tale? Prepare to be disillusioned . . ."
You can buy the hard copy book, or you can read the whole book (text only, without the photos) online at :
the Meteor Book "The Final Verdict
#38 Posted by SR on September 6, 2007 12:22:05 am
Teresa was a real cool chick, no doubt... despite her religiosity quirks.
Speaking of religiosity, it matters not what flavor you sample, it's always the same BS.
Check this out from the BBC, for example:
Nepal's state-run airline sacrificed goats to appease a Hindu god, following technical problems with one of its planes.
BBC News Item -- Click here
Welcome to the 21st century
...SR
Speaking of religiosity, it matters not what flavor you sample, it's always the same BS.
Check this out from the BBC, for example:
Nepal's state-run airline sacrificed goats to appease a Hindu god, following technical problems with one of its planes.
BBC News Item -- Click here
Welcome to the 21st century
...SR
#39 Posted by SR on September 6, 2007 12:23:59 am
Well, I couldn't get it to Click so here is the link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6979292.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/south_asia/6979292.stm
#40 Posted by nandan on September 6, 2007 2:31:48 am
good point bj...lets us accept whatever her religious conviction ...mother teresa did a lot of good work...and these bloody RSS ,VHP and other Islamic fundoos dont have the moral authority to critisize her
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