Mother Teresa’s Moment of Truth

Re: # 48 its like the mob?

but most proselyletising (spelling???) religions are like that - there is secrecy and a lot of funny handshakes etc..

Lest we forget some of these church charities are doing tremendous amount of good work, they are into everything from providing shelter for homeless to child care, off course there are secular charities as well but they seem to lack the commitment of the church charities I wonder why. In Pakistan we have maulana edhi sahab and a few others, I’m sure if more people were involved in NGO’s in Pakistan it would have tremendous impact on poverty reduction. There is a scope to set up NGO’s in Pakistan because western charities are overflowing with cash, apparently the reports are there aren’t many reputable ngo’s in Pakistan to give the cash to.

aslam644

If the government of Pakistan made an international appeal to Christian churches to come, open schools, and do good social work in Pakistan's poorest areas, Pakistan can get a lot of committed dooers of good deeds with plenty of money to spare.

This can bring in, fairly quickly, a lot of cash, along with invite many generous hearts.

Why is Missionary and if they are able to convert its not b/c something wrong with them but b/c there doors are 'OPEN"'unlike other Indians who would like not to help other under the "let them Suffer" attitude blaming Karma ,reincernations
there by breeding apathy and sitting with there hands clasped

Galib Zaman just b/c Aroop Chaterjee wrote a book what is his experience other than he lived in Calcutta..Would Masadi's critcism of America would hold b/c he spent some time in USA?

There has ben 'Anti Conversion Bill' in India since then during the NDA govt.but can you police the heart and soul by legislation or force ...Millions of Tribals and north East India tripura nagaland sikkim bhutan are becoming christians despite ...If not covnerted many Indians who have benifetted from the missioneries hopitals and there excellent schools like St Xaviers and all the Saints schools atleast are sympathetic t towards the christians and missioneries .I am sure same might be the case in Pakistan

As for the cry about accountability why is there no accountability for temples & madarssas

http://www.christianaid.info/About/FinancialAccountability.aspx

Shah2, as you know, in India, there is a lot of anti-Christian bigotry. If not, there should be. That bigotry is part of who we are.

But in Pakistan, with sister abrahamic religions, there is great opportunity for mutual benefit. If that benefit is fully realized, from one end of Pakistan to the other, even Indians may be forced to be more sympathetic.

Until then only people like beej bahadur will respect missionaries in India (mother Teresa is a different matter. She did enough work that her being a missionary can be, with some hesitation, and some precautions, ignored.)

#48
Mother Theresa never held back treatment for lepers and starving or old convaesing abandoned.Care of the old and diseased poor is still cause of suffering not mother theresa or her mission ...She did not like to end suffering by POISONIG her patients .If in your philosophy suffering is to be ended by death or suicide then mental sicked agonising should be justified i hanging him/her self and not POROlONG there suffering .

shah2, swarrier, surely Mother Teresa must have built hospitals, particularly with all the money she got.

If not, was there any reason given out? (curious icon here)

#54
Mother Thresa has built hospitals one BIG one in Calcutta and many clinics through out her region of activity and i agree with #48 that diseases should be tackled not by prayers but hospitals but if the driving force or inspiration comes from whatever source even god its benefit from it that is celebrated

Agreed. # 56

#54 Dear Shah2
Allowing lepers to die without anything but the least basic medical care, to hoard money without using it to build facilities to help the poor, the sick, to not promote self respect amongst them, and lastly doing everything in god's name, but not for the sake of humanity is as bad as poisoning them slowly. A quick death is perhaps more merciful. She could have done all of that but she chose not to.

MORE STUFF to DEDUCATE & DEBRIEF those suffering from the
Shlockhome syndrome.

Maybe she was harvesting body-organs...
It is not the first time the western Church & Corporation have not devised devious & diabolical plans to go the the nth degree to "enjoy" life & "Live" at any cost..Is that not the creed of Darwinism/?Capitalism taught at the "responsibilty-schools" of US?...NO WMD's eh?

..."According to some she took in millions of dollars in donations and used it to build her sisterhood. Little if anything went to the poor. She could have built hospitals or clean water facilities ......"

..."All the world over but especially in third world countries the Catholic church sits in its towers of pure gold while they could save untold lives ..."

...."anyone who lets someone die for their own good is repugnant to the nth degree and people such as Mother Whats her name is the worst of the bunch..."



and now from the book "Missionary Position"...amazon.com

- She regularly gave support to some of the worst dictators in the world, such as the Duvaliers in Haiti.

- Her 'hospitals' provided little real medical care; patients were not given pain medication (in fact, often no effort was made to treat them); Needles were reused after rinsing them in cold water; sometimes patients were not allowed to see family and friends. (Of course, she always got the best medical treatment herself.)

- Millions were collected by her charaties, yet nobody knows where much of the money went. With all the money they collected, they could have built a modern hospital, and/or fed thousands. Instead, the money seems to have been hidden away

- She campaigned in Ireland against divorce (even in the case of domestic abuse); yet she thought it was best that her friend Lady Diana to get a divorce because of how bad her personal situation was

- She had collected millions from one of the investors in a Savings and Loan scandal, and when he was arrested, she wrote a letter to the judge asking for easy consideration for him. (The prosecutor wrote a rebuttal, pointing out that many of the people who lost money in the scandal were also poor, and if she cared about justice she'd return the money. She never responded.)

#59
Did you ever give A penny to her

RE:#56
Kaal, Shah2 is right there are hospitals and clinics built by the Missionaries of Charity. However the big hospital in Calcutta was castigated by the Lancet as one of the most unhygienic hospitals around. It according to one observer resembled a concentration camp. It provides the most basic medical care. Now you could argue that this is true of many municipal hospitals in India. However Municipal hospitals in India do not have 50 million dollars available in a bank in NY(this was just under her name).
In addition she wasn't averse to taking bribe money from Charles Keating, holding hands with Duvalier etc...
My opinion is Mother Teresa was a marketing phenomenon initially opposed (when they thought she would supercede them) and then aided by the Catholic Church.
Baba Amte etc,Edhi etc have done far more for humanity without invoking God or conversion.
This is my last post on this topic. I am unconvinced of her saintliness but others can have their opinions.

You remember this line Kaal....

"It is the shoddy theoretician, the ideologue, the well-dressed and often well-spoken purveyor of deliberate delusion that replants the seeds and nourishes the harvest of evil from age to age."

Sometimes it is the self effacing humble appearing personage who also does the same thing, though in this case I would not go so far as to say it was deliberate, ignorant perhaps, but not deliberate.

For those suffering from the Schlock syndrome..brainwashed by the responsibility behaviour & mind-control

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swarrier #61 Good to see you illustrate the point I made in #43 wrt to the saying posted by teshah, namely:
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right.

My point being, of course, that "religious dogma" (like leprosy) is a disease that afflicts not just muslims but hindus as well. Use your brain to tell the obvious (i.e. tending to other people is good for society, while living off them as witch doctors, brahmans, maulvis, shamans and other thugs have done through the ages and in all societies is morally repugnant). And dont make idiotic statements simply because hindu priests hate Teresa because she actually contributed to society rather than lived off it on account of religion.

i would like to understand what her legacy is for india/indians to consider her a saint. india has been a prolific saint factory over the ages. typically for indians a saint is one who in his lifetime manages to touch people spiritually and his legacy is used as a marketig force-multiplier. we have our sai-babas and mayees with mamoth hair and hospotals and some other saints like guru nanak who formed the sikhs. so let us see if she is used well by indians or only by the vatican over time.