Mohammad Gill September 4, 2007
#81 Posted by Shah2 on September 7, 2007 5:45:51 am
VRV bhai
"Our guys converts whites to Hindusim that too as Brahmins"
Why this beholden attitude by Hindu to wards whites when Kali And Krishna gods were dark skinned ..or you dont care about religion as as much prefernce for being a white ....
"Our guys converts whites to Hindusim that too as Brahmins"
Why this beholden attitude by Hindu to wards whites when Kali And Krishna gods were dark skinned ..or you dont care about religion as as much prefernce for being a white ....
#82 Posted by KaalChakra on September 7, 2007 6:29:02 am
vrv, shah2
Both of you friends seem to be incurably racist. can you put aside your racism for a few minutes? :)
Both of you friends seem to be incurably racist. can you put aside your racism for a few minutes? :)
#83 Posted by Truemind on September 7, 2007 7:26:28 am
I guess there are 2 sides to everyone. Mother Teresa's missionary approach to mankind which many people loved or the fact she was deluded with her faith and as many people who feel they are doing God's work are actually in fact doing more harm than good in the long term. Millions of people around the world are mislead from the reality of how life really does function. MT spent sometime realizing this but at the same time saw the conflict between her discoveries and her faith and in the end choose the faith since it would keep her life in the same order without turning it upside down.
Mark Henry Robinson
Mark Henry Robinson
#84 Posted by Shah2 on September 7, 2007 8:17:39 am
#82 Kaal
My comment was in the spirit of reminder and education if you may .I never intended to demean any god and i am sorry if you mistook it as rascist derogatory comment which it was not
My comment was in the spirit of reminder and education if you may .I never intended to demean any god and i am sorry if you mistook it as rascist derogatory comment which it was not
#85 Posted by Shah2 on September 7, 2007 8:45:12 am
As i see it while almost all people acknowledge her decent work but some not her religion ...people are pulling out different books and aticles discreditting her .
Its more to prove that nothing good can come out of christian faith itself b/c the church or Pope are corrupt and priests are known to have sexually exploted children.
Articles criticing MT may be from Christians themselves.lets say even if there was misappropriation of money as her critic allege is her religion to be blamed for it ,if any good is not assigned for these same critic not by her faith.There has been lot of criticism of christianity by those who have degrees in science and bilogy to doubt .Christianity has been for 2000 yers and if you consider rennaisence and the accompanying scientific enquirey started in europe a predominately christian countries .Dont forget there more than billion of Christians who still adhere to there faith and all of them cannot be wrong ...attacking as dogma or biggotary is no threat to them if attacking you hope to make any difference .
Its uncomfortable feeling of people not being able to do good work themselves even though not there fault or b/c of lack of oppertunity or some out right jelously guarding there parlysis laziness
Its more to prove that nothing good can come out of christian faith itself b/c the church or Pope are corrupt and priests are known to have sexually exploted children.
Articles criticing MT may be from Christians themselves.lets say even if there was misappropriation of money as her critic allege is her religion to be blamed for it ,if any good is not assigned for these same critic not by her faith.There has been lot of criticism of christianity by those who have degrees in science and bilogy to doubt .Christianity has been for 2000 yers and if you consider rennaisence and the accompanying scientific enquirey started in europe a predominately christian countries .Dont forget there more than billion of Christians who still adhere to there faith and all of them cannot be wrong ...attacking as dogma or biggotary is no threat to them if attacking you hope to make any difference .
Its uncomfortable feeling of people not being able to do good work themselves even though not there fault or b/c of lack of oppertunity or some out right jelously guarding there parlysis laziness
#86 Posted by KaalChakra on September 7, 2007 11:29:09 am
shah2, no problem. You are obviouisly not any bigger a racist than I am, and perhaps neither did vrv intend to see things as a racist.
My ONLY problem is with the idea of asking people to leave their religions, their cultural associations, their identities in the context of "helping them," or with creating such conditions where this kind of thing happens or is faciliated. I find that morally reprehensible and politically criminal, to be treated as such by affected parties.
If Mother Teresa was not a "missionary" in that sense and her work and life did not in any way facilitate/promote that kind of 'help,' I don't have much of a problem. May be she was corrupt, silly, or whatever else, quirky may be.
In general, it is much better to be quite suspicious and careful than to be badly surprised, though.
My ONLY problem is with the idea of asking people to leave their religions, their cultural associations, their identities in the context of "helping them," or with creating such conditions where this kind of thing happens or is faciliated. I find that morally reprehensible and politically criminal, to be treated as such by affected parties.
If Mother Teresa was not a "missionary" in that sense and her work and life did not in any way facilitate/promote that kind of 'help,' I don't have much of a problem. May be she was corrupt, silly, or whatever else, quirky may be.
In general, it is much better to be quite suspicious and careful than to be badly surprised, though.
#87 Posted by KaalChakra on September 7, 2007 12:57:27 pm
By the way it just occurred to me that there is a whole new awareness in the US of sexual predators - of "helpful" people who take advantage by 'helping' and 'persuading' others in asymmetric situations. Thre is increasing societal demand that such helpful good samaritan people be put behind bars, preferably for life.
This is the identical behavior.
This is the identical behavior.
#88 Posted by Shah2 on September 7, 2007 2:55:55 pm
Re: # 86#87
I understand and agree with your apprehension
I understand and agree with your apprehension
#89 Posted by VRV on September 7, 2007 6:03:14 pm
Kaala Chakra & Shah2,
I am not a racist. I met many white Hindus. All claim themselves to be Brahmins!!! How can converted whites be Brahmins?
Shah2, u are a presumptious prick.
I am not a racist. I met many white Hindus. All claim themselves to be Brahmins!!! How can converted whites be Brahmins?
Shah2, u are a presumptious prick.
#90 Posted by Shah2 on September 7, 2007 7:20:35 pm
Converted white considers himself so b/c
they considers himself welcome by brahmin hindu as if they were trophy ...
i am not surprised you never found a black coverted to hinduism b/c you will have hard time placing him in any caste but the lowest if any .
This i am not presuming but have seen hindus avoiding muslims and blacks too.Class muslims have drwn MD . Ali to Yusuf Islam (former cat stevens pop singer)Alike.
they considers himself welcome by brahmin hindu as if they were trophy ...
i am not surprised you never found a black coverted to hinduism b/c you will have hard time placing him in any caste but the lowest if any .
This i am not presuming but have seen hindus avoiding muslims and blacks too.Class muslims have drwn MD . Ali to Yusuf Islam (former cat stevens pop singer)Alike.
#92 Posted by Ansa on September 8, 2007 12:28:19 am
Debates aside, is this really an article? It reads more like a badly patched arrangement of different articles. It follows no course, jumps from one point to another and leaves the reader in disarray.
Thouroughly disappointing.
Thouroughly disappointing.
#93 Posted by VRV on September 8, 2007 3:10:13 am
Shah2,
I must tell u abt the expat Gujarat mentality (atleast some). My first landlord in UK told me that he follows BMW principle in Englad. The bulk of the self-proclaimed Hindu big mouths in the west are from Gujarati community.
He never do business with or trusts 'Blacks, Muslims and Whites' and that's his BMW pricniple (though he's British and never lived in India; he's a Kenyan Gujarati).
As for me, I dont have such inhibitions. I am a free soul.
I must tell u abt the expat Gujarat mentality (atleast some). My first landlord in UK told me that he follows BMW principle in Englad. The bulk of the self-proclaimed Hindu big mouths in the west are from Gujarati community.
He never do business with or trusts 'Blacks, Muslims and Whites' and that's his BMW pricniple (though he's British and never lived in India; he's a Kenyan Gujarati).
As for me, I dont have such inhibitions. I am a free soul.
#94 Posted by VRV on September 8, 2007 3:12:42 am
#92 Posted by Ansa on September 8, 2007 12:28:19 am
This's what I felt abt this article as well. Dr. Gill writes well but this one is not good.
This's what I felt abt this article as well. Dr. Gill writes well but this one is not good.
#95 Posted by tahmed32 on September 8, 2007 7:06:46 am
vrv: why would anyone - black, muslim or white - want to do business with one of these miserable looking men shuffling around in chappals and cheap clothes at airports and malls?
#96 Posted by KaalChakra on September 8, 2007 8:38:31 am
"As for me, I dont have such inhibitions. I am a free soul."
Shah, I, and everyone else in East and West can be proud of such a person.
Shah, I, and everyone else in East and West can be proud of such a person.
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