Remembering the Presidential Election of 1965

Paki army convoys need air cover now? HAHA....

The reality is that the 300 surrender monkeys are partly loyal to the talipakis and unwilling to kill their fellow ummah homies and 50% scared crapless...

So, to summarize...

Dubya called

Mushy greased up and bent over

The paki army was sent to whack the jihadis

US forces whacked paki jihadis on paki soil without permission from the paki government

300 paki surrender monkeys ended up in the custody of the talipakis....


haha...these guys banayenge kashmir ko pakistan?

Here are a few simple common-sense statements that EVERY Pakistani needs drilled in his or her head!

All individuals are to be treated as equal. All men and women are to be treated on the basis of one individual equals one vote.

Using one set of rules for Muslims and another for others is just another form of racism. Accept its legitimacy - and you have automatically legitimized the basics of racism.

The creation of Pakistant was a blatant case of Islamic racism! It also was the clear case of successful Islamic terrorism - the first of its kind in the subcontinent which set an example for the later generations of Islamic terrorists that would follow all over the world.

It paved the way for blatant discrimination against other "minorities" (some of whom keep shouting - "Hey, we are Muslims" - to no avail!)

HP: Several books attribute Bhashanis sabotage of FAJ's election to Ayub Khans govt..I have also heard a similar story from NAP'ers and it is referred to in both Sherbaz Mazaris book as wel as a few others. The extent of ZAB's involvement was not mentioned. Bhashani is often mentioned to have pulled massive crowds in his various rallies?
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,844753-1,00.html

#105 Posted by HP

As usual a skewed and uininformed analysis by HP re #92 by HisExcellency, which is an equally uninformed attempt at bettering the lieutenant generals at military strategy!

“Not exactly. Two mistakes were made by the army:
1- Sending a convoy of 15 vehicles without air cover.
2- Failure to maintain radio contact with the convoy”

Actually the troops defected to the other side with 20 vehicles (not 15) including armored personnel carriers. Consider the following statements by the military spokesman General Mehmood Arshad from time to time on the issue since they went missing:

- Lost contact due to bad weather. All OK.

- Camped in bad weather due to bad weather.All OK.

- Camped in bad weather in Mehsud area. All OK.

- 'Staying' with Mehsuds. All OK.

- Complete silence. No more comments.

... it is clear to any one who can see through the Islamist politics in that area, that their plan is to carve an independent area for a Taliban type state outside of state of Pakistan.

It is clear to anyone who knows jackshit that the tribal areas have always been fully autonomous within Pakistan, and the only writ exercised has been through the political agents. After the political agents system broke down after the first military operation in 2005 and the peace deal, Taliban took control and since then have been fully incharge. They don't need to make a separate state. They have already had one since 2005. That's why they consider presence of Pakistani troops in their territory a foreign invasion and demand its withdrawal.

You need to pay attention to the targeted areas by the Islamist or the Taliban. They are hyperactive in the tribal areas and the areas adjacent to Afghanistan in NWFP. You will rarely see them showing their muscles in the Hazara district or even in Peshawar city.

How far is Darra Adam Khel and Charsadda from Peshawar? And of-course, you missed Swat altogether which is under TNSM control - an ally of Taliban which actually precedes Taliban as an organised force and with the same ideology.

These Havyoon and Mala’oon are against the state of Pakistan. I may call them Indian agents metaphorically but that is a very close description of their character.

These Islamists are not against the State of Pakistan. They are in fact its biggest patriots. That's why there aim is not to carve out their domain from parts of Pakistan, but to implement Islamic Ideology in the entire Pakistan.

I wish them Godspeed.

YLH, pl do support benazir, so that at least these soldiers can come home, and create yet another pak hero, like tiger niazi

Hostage soldiers


IT is with deep humiliation that we see on the front page of Dawn (Aug 28) a photograph showing Pakistani soldiers sitting with heads down while ‘teenage boys’ wield Kalashnikovs and daggers.

It takes one back to the events of 1971 when the Pakistan army were under the control of Mukti Bahini, though with the help of the Indian army.

They were forced to ‘surrender’ and the odds against them was that GHQ was 1,000 miles away from the war zone. That was a difficult war, whatever the justification for it.

I believe you only because my own personal experience has shown me that you almost always turn out to be right...I just arrive at similar conclusions later.

Manto,
But you got believe me when I say that Bhanshani was a clown.

He was a flamboyant character who made his name in the Trade Union politics but at the National scene he was out of his depth. After the split in 1964 he really had no political suport in E. Pakistan. The Wali Khan NAP group was more politically in tune with the Bengali Politics and in the end they worked with Mujib other forces in east Pakistan for the liberation.
I knew some of their names but now I just can't remember now.

Apparently my communication skills need a bit of polishing...

You are not the first person I value dearly and respect greatly who has misunderstood either the reasons behind this article or has taken what I have written as an offence... Ras being the first one today.

Thats okay Yasser,

I misunderstood. I am not going to make that an issue.
I think very highly of you and I am sorry if I come across patronizing to you.

114,

I am sure you know I have valued your judgement and historical insight more than anyone else.

If you say there was no link between Bhashani and Bhutto ... you must be right. However in my view Bhashani was no clown. He was one of the most remarkable figures of Bengal ... and to sway the crowds even at age 86 made the Red Maulana one of the most interesting figures in our history.

PPS: I am surprised that you thought my comment about some people thinking NS to be a people's hero was directed at you and you saw it as a barb.

Manto,

I have not read him so I am not sure how authentic he was. My knowledge is from the people who were in the thick of things at that time and that includes my Father. I will not drop names here but things are pretty close knit in Sindhi political circles.

PS: I didn't think you thought Nawaz Sharif was going to be a people's hero...

Dear HP,

Herbert Feldman's account of Ayub Khan regime is considered a pretty authentic first hand account of living under Ayub Khan. It is not history or anything but simply a primary record of history seen through the eyes of Herbert Feldman.

#109 Posted by MantoLives

I am not going to swayed by some barbs.
I know what NS is capable of and am pretty sure where the whole thing is leading. There is no need to be testy. If you want to discuss that I am more than willing to do that in a respectful manner.

#107 Posted by MantoLives
"Herbert Feldman's Omnibus"

I have not read this person. There is a need to distinguish between the serious scholars and people who glean information from newspapers and then quote them as something authentic.

Just tossing a White or a western name does not make things authentic. It is your research and the grasp of politics that tells you how to figure out who is a fake scholar and who is the real one.

Those who have followed the left politics in Pakistan know that Bhashani was a clown and his association with Bhutto was all made up.

Bhutto had a certain background and people from that background look at politicians like Bhashani for amusement and not for some serious political insight.