Remembering the Presidential Election of 1965

PS to BJKumar ,

May I also suggest that the followers of someone like racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi who believed black people were subhuman, Indians were of superior "Indo-germanic stock", caste was the natural organisation of humanity and then women ought to stay indoors have no locus standi claiming other movements to b racist.

PS: And Bhutto became popular with the masses because of his hysterical anti-India behavior in Tashkent which he capitalised on later...

Bhutto became popular first and then was coopted by better more reasonable people like J A Rahim for a socialist agenda... As for Bhutto himself... he just wanted power so that he could be the Islamic or a Third World Napoleon.

"case is closed" ... "church of maj is routed"...

Is it just me or does Masadi remind us of the Black Knight from "Monty Python's Holy Grail"?

Ask Professor Ghafoor Ahmed of JI today and he thinks Zulfikar Ali Bhutto is a great hero.... why... because not only did this fascist feudal make Islam the state religion of Pakistan but actually legislated to make a Muslim sect a Non-Muslim sect.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was worse than Jamaat-e-Islami people. Atleast Jamaat-e-Islami people operate without a mask. ZAB claimed to be a modern liberal Pakistani patriot ... and did exactly the opposite. Not only that but Bhutto was left's biggest persecuter in his regime...

As for his comparison with Fatima Jinnah... there is no comparison. FJ was not a dishonest crook and a feudal fascist... Bhutto was. FJ symbolised Jinnah's vision of a democratic Pakistan. Yes she supported because she was Jinnah's sister.... but why would Wali Khan etc support him...

Wali Khan and his father were against the creation of Pakistan and hence had nothing to do with the "cultural recognition of Mahomed Ali Jinnah"... they supported Fatima Jinnah because they supported the ideal of a democratic federal Pakistan.

Re: # 124

BJkumar,

That is akin to a white person from down south declaring that affirmative action for black people is tantamount to black racism against white people.

You ought to be more logical. Pakistan movement was about a permanent minority telling an extremely virulent and bigoted permanent majority to take a hike.

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left right left right...surrender..

surrender monkeys lined up to drop their pants...allah-o-akbar..we'll fight to the last man for our 72 virgins....NOT..

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Re: # 144 Posted by HP on September 9, 2007 12:48:57 am

What state? Who is in today's state of Pakistan? What mind set do these people have? The same rubbish authoritarian self-aggrandizing people are using new words of 2007. Can this institution called the state of Pakistan ever be revamped?

Lets start peeling the whole state apparatus and look deep inside it, and you will find nothing else but ego-centric bureaucrats and corrupt people, as individuals and as a group of people. Their haughtiness is known to everyone.

When ordinary people in Pakistan say that people in government are corrupt, they usually mean the state apparatus. And who made these self-promoters of their own vested interest guardian of our national destiny. Why do we have retired generals in every nook and corner of Pakistan’s economy?

You must look at Pakistan’s national identity and the path it took to this malaise some 50 years ago. This is Pakistan’s music that was written some 50 years ago, and all the guilty players are working towards the finality of this nation.

If pak army is refusing to finght the tribals, all the more reason for benazir to come back. She can get the release of the paki army, declare the NWFP as an independent country and the nato will take care of the taliban there.

That is very good scenario for pakistan and the world, and will be in the true traditions of the bhuttos

#136 Posted by Zakkk

"Afrasiab Khattak has become the NWFP provincial head of the ANP."

I know. I met him briefly five years ago when he was still the Chairman of the Human rights commission in Pakistan. Last I heard, he was in Washington some six or more months ago introducing Asfandyar Khan to the State department officials.

Do you by any chance know Mukhtar Bacha? Have any idea what is he doing nowadays?

#143

"So the Nek Mohammed’s assignation"

So the Nek Mohammed’s assassination!

#138 Posted by bubba

Convoluted way?

I agree that the problem is complex. And the complexity stems from its being a multi-dimensional issue but when you start peeling the layers, you get to the bottom of the issue. And the bottom line in this issue is the present situation. Not what happened twenty years ago or not what happened 60 years ago. Presently, their fight is against the Pak state. They are not fighting the US nor do they plan to do that. The game is to create enough havoc in Pakistan to turn the central government and the state machinery in to an inoperable unit thus allowing these Havyoons to take control of the certain areas of Pakistan and declare independence.

I can guarantee you that once they get their separate area; they will compromise with the US probably, for some royalty money from the Pipeline and allowing them to turn that area in to Columbia of the Middle East.

#141 Posted by zeemax
“acting as Pakistan's unpaid volunteer army on the North Western Border against a hostile Zahir Shah regime till his downfall”

Zeemax, I am afraid as long as you are going to rely on Jang and Jassarat for history, you will never make a presentable argument. Hostile Zahir Shah? The guy used to sh*t in his pants when he even heard of Pakistani COAS touring Torkham. During the 1965 war, he came under enormous pressure from the Afghan nationalists -some say with some prod from India- to attack Pakistan. He resisted that pressure.

Bhutto yelled at Daud from Peshawar and Daud’s whole coup against Zahir Shah petered out in public opening the way for the Purcham party to take over the reigns and setting in motion events that we are still being penalized for.

“On the other hand, the Corp commander (read musharraf) Peshawar embraces Nek Muhammad in a peace deal and then assassinates him in a helicopter strike;”

So the Nek Mohammed’s assignation is enough reason to destroy Pakistan? What kind of yours and theirs patriotism is that? Nek Mohammed was a known criminal and smuggler, who cares if the army shot him. Was he bigger than the state?

These Mala’oon. Havyoons and nanhinjaroons are the enemy of the state. It pains me to see the Pak army attacking Pakistani but clearly these Havyoons are not Pakistani and their goal is to create another state out of Pakistan.

You still have not shown me one good reason for their fight against the state.

“If they want, they can turn ALL your cities into Baghdad with bombings - blowing up bazaars and shopping malls.”

Excuse me! Only a criminal mind can say a thing like this. So they will kill innocent people indiscriminately, if their demand to have another state outside of Pakistan is not met? Fking criminals!

Fact check for the contemptible monkeys who are jumping up and down over the 300 missing Pak soldiers and quoting a figure of 90,000 in 1971.

1) The 300 (plus a few dozen later including officers upto the ranks of Colonels) switched sides over to the tribes. Pak army is refusing to fight in Waziristan, therefore the reliance on Helicopter gunships.

2) The surrendering Pak army in 1971 was 30,000. The rest 60,000 were civilian POWs. The 30,000 Pak army had their logistics cut-off by the Muktis and requests for air support and troop airlifts from GHQ in W. Pakistan went unanswered. Further, USA betrayed Pak in promising to intervene through the sixth fleet and reneged. The only choice for Niazi was to either place his 30,000 men against impossible odds, or to negotiate a surrender on 'HIS' terms, which he successfully did, thereby saving the lives of W. Pak civilians in the process.

If the Pak army had fought on, the 30,000 would have been defeated and then the 60,000 civilians would have all been slaughtered.

As it happened, ultimately all 90,000 i.e. army plus civilians, were repatriated honourably within two years with not a single of them killed or even charged under any war laws.

The surrender was a retreat decision, not a shooting war defeat because none took place other then border skirmishes. Whatever could be salvaged from the political debacle and the Indian incursion, was salvaged to fight another day.