Yasser Latif Hamdani September 5, 2007
#145 Posted by HP on September 9, 2007 12:53:45 am
#143
"So the Nek Mohammed’s assignation"
So the Nek Mohammed’s assassination!
"So the Nek Mohammed’s assignation"
So the Nek Mohammed’s assassination!
#146 Posted by HP on September 9, 2007 1:02:35 am
#136 Posted by Zakkk
"Afrasiab Khattak has become the NWFP provincial head of the ANP."
I know. I met him briefly five years ago when he was still the Chairman of the Human rights commission in Pakistan. Last I heard, he was in Washington some six or more months ago introducing Asfandyar Khan to the State department officials.
Do you by any chance know Mukhtar Bacha? Have any idea what is he doing nowadays?
"Afrasiab Khattak has become the NWFP provincial head of the ANP."
I know. I met him briefly five years ago when he was still the Chairman of the Human rights commission in Pakistan. Last I heard, he was in Washington some six or more months ago introducing Asfandyar Khan to the State department officials.
Do you by any chance know Mukhtar Bacha? Have any idea what is he doing nowadays?
#147 Posted by jayp on September 9, 2007 2:59:27 am
If pak army is refusing to finght the tribals, all the more reason for benazir to come back. She can get the release of the paki army, declare the NWFP as an independent country and the nato will take care of the taliban there.
That is very good scenario for pakistan and the world, and will be in the true traditions of the bhuttos
That is very good scenario for pakistan and the world, and will be in the true traditions of the bhuttos
#148 Posted by bubba on September 9, 2007 4:41:12 am
Re: # 144 Posted by HP on September 9, 2007 12:48:57 am
What state? Who is in today's state of Pakistan? What mind set do these people have? The same rubbish authoritarian self-aggrandizing people are using new words of 2007. Can this institution called the state of Pakistan ever be revamped?
Lets start peeling the whole state apparatus and look deep inside it, and you will find nothing else but ego-centric bureaucrats and corrupt people, as individuals and as a group of people. Their haughtiness is known to everyone.
When ordinary people in Pakistan say that people in government are corrupt, they usually mean the state apparatus. And who made these self-promoters of their own vested interest guardian of our national destiny. Why do we have retired generals in every nook and corner of Pakistan’s economy?
You must look at Pakistan’s national identity and the path it took to this malaise some 50 years ago. This is Pakistan’s music that was written some 50 years ago, and all the guilty players are working towards the finality of this nation.
What state? Who is in today's state of Pakistan? What mind set do these people have? The same rubbish authoritarian self-aggrandizing people are using new words of 2007. Can this institution called the state of Pakistan ever be revamped?
Lets start peeling the whole state apparatus and look deep inside it, and you will find nothing else but ego-centric bureaucrats and corrupt people, as individuals and as a group of people. Their haughtiness is known to everyone.
When ordinary people in Pakistan say that people in government are corrupt, they usually mean the state apparatus. And who made these self-promoters of their own vested interest guardian of our national destiny. Why do we have retired generals in every nook and corner of Pakistan’s economy?
You must look at Pakistan’s national identity and the path it took to this malaise some 50 years ago. This is Pakistan’s music that was written some 50 years ago, and all the guilty players are working towards the finality of this nation.
#149 Posted by arjun2 on September 9, 2007 6:18:27 am
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#150 Posted by arjun2 on September 9, 2007 6:22:37 am
surrender monkeys lined up to drop their pants...allah-o-akbar..we'll fight to the last man for our 72 virgins....NOT..
#153 Posted by arjun2 on September 9, 2007 8:00:04 am
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#154 Posted by MantoLives on September 9, 2007 10:47:18 am
Re: # 124
BJkumar,
That is akin to a white person from down south declaring that affirmative action for black people is tantamount to black racism against white people.
You ought to be more logical. Pakistan movement was about a permanent minority telling an extremely virulent and bigoted permanent majority to take a hike.
BJkumar,
That is akin to a white person from down south declaring that affirmative action for black people is tantamount to black racism against white people.
You ought to be more logical. Pakistan movement was about a permanent minority telling an extremely virulent and bigoted permanent majority to take a hike.
#155 Posted by MantoLives on September 9, 2007 10:55:13 am
"case is closed" ... "church of maj is routed"...
Is it just me or does Masadi remind us of the Black Knight from "Monty Python's Holy Grail"?
Ask Professor Ghafoor Ahmed of JI today and he thinks Zulfikar Ali Bhutto is a great hero.... why... because not only did this fascist feudal make Islam the state religion of Pakistan but actually legislated to make a Muslim sect a Non-Muslim sect.
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was worse than Jamaat-e-Islami people. Atleast Jamaat-e-Islami people operate without a mask. ZAB claimed to be a modern liberal Pakistani patriot ... and did exactly the opposite. Not only that but Bhutto was left's biggest persecuter in his regime...
As for his comparison with Fatima Jinnah... there is no comparison. FJ was not a dishonest crook and a feudal fascist... Bhutto was. FJ symbolised Jinnah's vision of a democratic Pakistan. Yes she supported because she was Jinnah's sister.... but why would Wali Khan etc support him...
Wali Khan and his father were against the creation of Pakistan and hence had nothing to do with the "cultural recognition of Mahomed Ali Jinnah"... they supported Fatima Jinnah because they supported the ideal of a democratic federal Pakistan.
Is it just me or does Masadi remind us of the Black Knight from "Monty Python's Holy Grail"?
Ask Professor Ghafoor Ahmed of JI today and he thinks Zulfikar Ali Bhutto is a great hero.... why... because not only did this fascist feudal make Islam the state religion of Pakistan but actually legislated to make a Muslim sect a Non-Muslim sect.
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was worse than Jamaat-e-Islami people. Atleast Jamaat-e-Islami people operate without a mask. ZAB claimed to be a modern liberal Pakistani patriot ... and did exactly the opposite. Not only that but Bhutto was left's biggest persecuter in his regime...
As for his comparison with Fatima Jinnah... there is no comparison. FJ was not a dishonest crook and a feudal fascist... Bhutto was. FJ symbolised Jinnah's vision of a democratic Pakistan. Yes she supported because she was Jinnah's sister.... but why would Wali Khan etc support him...
Wali Khan and his father were against the creation of Pakistan and hence had nothing to do with the "cultural recognition of Mahomed Ali Jinnah"... they supported Fatima Jinnah because they supported the ideal of a democratic federal Pakistan.
#156 Posted by MantoLives on September 9, 2007 10:57:53 am
PS: And Bhutto became popular with the masses because of his hysterical anti-India behavior in Tashkent which he capitalised on later...
Bhutto became popular first and then was coopted by better more reasonable people like J A Rahim for a socialist agenda... As for Bhutto himself... he just wanted power so that he could be the Islamic or a Third World Napoleon.
Bhutto became popular first and then was coopted by better more reasonable people like J A Rahim for a socialist agenda... As for Bhutto himself... he just wanted power so that he could be the Islamic or a Third World Napoleon.
#157 Posted by MantoLives on September 9, 2007 11:02:42 am
PS to BJKumar ,
May I also suggest that the followers of someone like racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi who believed black people were subhuman, Indians were of superior "Indo-germanic stock", caste was the natural organisation of humanity and then women ought to stay indoors have no locus standi claiming other movements to b racist.
May I also suggest that the followers of someone like racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi who believed black people were subhuman, Indians were of superior "Indo-germanic stock", caste was the natural organisation of humanity and then women ought to stay indoors have no locus standi claiming other movements to b racist.
#158 Posted by MantoLives on September 9, 2007 11:33:22 am
I'd say that atleast Bhutto- being a Jinnah-admirer if not follower in deed- was not a racist like Gandhi... that is definitely a plus. This makes Bhutto stand head and shoulders above Gandhi.
#159 Posted by MantoLives on September 9, 2007 1:54:05 pm
The Pakistani establishment is now hell bent on making Nawaz Sharif into a true Mahatma (just like the British once upon a time turned a loyal recruiter dog into a true Mahatma) by closing down Islamabad and making us all feel like something is happening...
Entire Nawaz Party leadership is now behind bars... scenes on TV of fat maja sajas who populate the Nawaz Party offering themselves for arrest are sick to say the least...
My conclusion: Pakistani Military Establishment is playing a double game with that foolish feudal Benazir Bhutto ... all the while making Nawaz Sharif into another Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
Entire Nawaz Party leadership is now behind bars... scenes on TV of fat maja sajas who populate the Nawaz Party offering themselves for arrest are sick to say the least...
My conclusion: Pakistani Military Establishment is playing a double game with that foolish feudal Benazir Bhutto ... all the while making Nawaz Sharif into another Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.
#160 Posted by tahmed32 on September 9, 2007 3:18:26 pm
ylh: One need not support Nawaz Sharif to oppose dictatorship in Pakistan. MQM demonstrated on May 12 where it stood. MMA, having tried to make deals with the dictator, has switched sides with PPP. Even PML (N) set the stage for musharraf to take over in the first place by introducing its own form of dictatorship under a bloody mard-e-momin.
Only the Chief Justice stands out in this sorry group as being in it for a bigger cause than coming to power. And Pakistanis who provided the popular support to the CJ deserve a better set of leaders than this sorry lot.
Only the Chief Justice stands out in this sorry group as being in it for a bigger cause than coming to power. And Pakistanis who provided the popular support to the CJ deserve a better set of leaders than this sorry lot.
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