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A Political Manifesto for Sale! - Part I

Zarrar Said September 7, 2007

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#9 Posted by muqaddam on September 11, 2007 2:17:07 am
Zia also had said he was ruling by divine intervention
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#8 Posted by jayp on September 11, 2007 1:31:58 am
Pakistani elections are coming, it is being discussed in london, in dubai, there are talks between mushy and benazir, the americans are coming, nawaz has been packed of, who will be the prime minister is being decided by the americans. It is decided in the free and fair elections to be held in pakistan...well well did I miss anything...did any one talk to teh ordinary pakistanis. That is pak democrazy.

By teh way even if any one wants to talk to teh pakis about democrazy, they are busy listening to teh mullahs.

At least teh educated pakistanis can stop this charade, stop talking about pak politics and democracy. just crawl up and hope for teh allah to save.
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#7 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 10, 2007 9:42:32 pm
Re: # 5 Mr.N I understand your impatience and thirst for revolution.Revolution are cruel ad poor people suffer the most and in ultimate sense bougus journey of hardships for average for nothing. Mostly all are cosmetic. Look at Iran after revolution no revolutionary change south Tehran is ppor as always and bazzaris mange to thrive weather Shah or Khomeni. Cosmetic changes do occur but over time they are insignificant. Lots of young people get carried away ( not like professional politicians) and damage their family. In young age men get revolunary romantic ideas ( women are quite generally calculating , even in marriage men just want to marry women for love but women are more balanced and they are practical is my observation, may be they are trained from childhood to observe and calculate ). Take largest big change russian thing it affected world but russians went through hell and journey of 70yeas for nothing most felt. Yes at end of revolutionary tunnel there is light just normal light. People got carried away when general took over and went crazy, BB came amd won and again people went crazy. At end all are disillused. May be even great leaders like ND BB General at end must be disillused. Romanticsm can go on long when revolutions hits practical work it just mandune work, even general after few months must havefelt presidency is job. I prefer evolution over revolution as good things can be done without being cruel and good things policies can be sustained. Revolutionas may be ok for armchair biblophile and good for demegogy but you want to some change lasting evolution is way. Like we have almost 7 to 8 years revolutions and savior riding on horse come and end it all fake drama. Our eastern neighbour had only one revolution, emergency and other than just boring changes but over long term they are in better position , most pakisani commentators say. Revolutionary changes are sexy but not subtle.
Have good day everybody and good midseptember
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#6 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 10, 2007 5:22:14 pm
Suggested 4th suggestion is really funny of increasing rate of saving.Most are poor, the idea is very similary to starving person to advise go on dieting.
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#5 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 10, 2007 2:25:25 pm
then let's pray for a Pakistani revolution. In my younger days I used to think that Professor Allama Tahir ul Qadri was the one when he launched his Mustafavi Inqilab but sadly it didn't work out. The conditions weren't right then. Now they are. And I've heard he left mainstream politics too in disappointment. He is someone Sunnis and Shia alike respect.

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#4 Posted by Urstruly on September 10, 2007 1:57:21 pm

Re: # 3 Unfortnately, I am not familiar with Ilyas Qadri sahib except that i have heard his name in the news. But despite that fact, I frankly do not believe that a Western style process of "democracy" can bring in the much needed change at the molecular level to cure the nation from what ails it.

Anything less than the Iranian style revolution could be as follows that might work out without bloodshed:

I believe that a chinese style commune and politburo system of governance will suit this country. In other words only those polticinas who must serve on municiple committees for whole period must qulaify to run for an office at provincial assemblies and those who have served at provincial level should qualify for a national level seat in the house. Senators must be directly elected along with a male President. Only those parties should be allowed to participate in elections who have their internal elections every 2-3 years. All ballot papers must have an option to chose "none of the above". After a certain percentages of votes are cast with "none of the above" cheked out, it must disqualify all candidadtes permanently from taking part in politics.
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#3 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 10, 2007 1:26:26 pm
urstruly i agree with your last sentence.

do u think if murshidi hazrat mawlana ilyas qadri karachi-walay of dawateislami entered politics he would be able to muster enough support amongst the antikanjaroons and antisecularoons to 'do a Khomeini'?

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#2 Posted by Urstruly on September 10, 2007 12:48:55 pm

I think the era of politics is conclusively over in Pakistan. Politics in Pakistan is nothing more than the game of musical chair among the a corrupt, oppressive, westernized ruling elite, who just take turns. I think the people of Pakistan have been permanently dis-enfranchized.

In the new world order it was a given. The Iranian, Hammas, and Algerian experience is enough to indicate that there is no other way but to keep the people of a differering ideology must be kept out of politics by any means necessary. Politicians have just become a commodity over a conveyor belt who are price tagged and assigned where needed.

I do not believe that this status quo can change with a normal "democratic' process. The so called "normal democratic process" is the number one tool to maintain the status quo of corruption, oppression, and disenfranchisement. I do not think that there is any other way other than the Iranian way to break the status quo.
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#1 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 10, 2007 10:45:07 am
i agree 100% with your analysis and manifesto.
sadly no pakistani leaders bar the quaid have ever given a flying fig about pakistan itself only about holding onto power at all costs.

the latest manifestation of this power hungriness is the contortions our latest saviour is undergoing to try and hold onto absolute power at all costs. it is a disgrace and his antics have made pakistan a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. not to say that BB or NS would be any better...

Something, folks, has got to change. Short of Divine intervention via the coming of the Promised Imam I cannot think what other than a TOTAL change of system. Something which we cannot even fathom now...like a grassroots popular revolution a la what happened in Iran. Do I think it is likely? No but one can hope...

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