Sex Education For the Next Generation

Naqsh, please don't give up so soon.

ts, let's be fair to naqsh. He raised a question that needs be answered, if anyone has the answer.

Have there been too many 'sufis' who did not accept traditional Islam, wiith full faith in the Quran as final and immutable the word of God, along with meeting all other requirements on a Muslim. Let's, for arguments' sake, exclude simply charasis, general layabouts, half-breed poets, and/or lazies who would call themselves 'sufis' in order to avoid Islam's natural discipline - but real scholarly sufis who knew what traditional (real) Islam was and who were and are recognized for their greatness as "sufis" in more than at least two countries?

VRV Allah cannot be visualised...

Toofan,

What's ur ol nick? Just curious.

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but we are talking of ISLAM, vrv, a great religion in its own right, with its specific approach to God!


Kaala Chakra, Nobody replied as to how they visualise Him in prayers. Any guesses?

(In the meanwhile ppl are speculating abt ur Chanakyesque abilities). Take ur time.

#217/218 Posted by Ranjit

Abey Zee, you bewakoof mullah, Kaalchakra is a typical brahmin along the lines of Chanakya. He is orders of magnitude smarter than you.

Dear Ranjit, I fully acknowledge Kaalchakra to be of no less intelligence than Chankya, and certainly of immense intellect miles ahead of the very ordinary faculties of mine. He has meanings within meanings in his posts which often confound feeble minds like myself. But I'm still not convinced of his motives in the manner you have described.

Nevertheless, you have levied very serious allegations upon Kaalchakra, once which he should be given full opportunity to refute on UP, through a thread I am now going to establish :)

p.s. to the hinood--i have already read the kamasutra and have a copy of it somewhere on my shelf...

thinking,
anyone who does not believe al-Ghazali was a Sufi of the highest degree is a complete ignoramus of both islam and sufism. Read al Ghazali's own words you fool. http://www.ghazali.org

Anyway that is enough for me to no longer wish to interact on this topic with you. If you'd even read the link I gave you you would have seen.

I made a mistake. I should have heeded the advice of someone who once told me not to cast pearls before swine, quoting the Son of Mary upon him be peace.

As a last word, not only is GHazali a Sufi but he is accepted by all and sundry as arguably the greatest Sufi of the past millenium. He is not known as Proof of Islam for nothing.

THe above site is maintained by a Western university and hence will be more acceptable to your kind of mind. Read what they have to say:


AL-GHAZALI, ABU HAMID (1058-1111)

al-Ghazali is one of the greatest Islamic Jurists, theologians and mystical thinkers. He learned various branches of traditional Islamic religious sciences in his home town of Tus, Gurgan and Nishapur in the northern part of Iran. He was also involved in Sufi practices from an early age. Being recognized by Nizam al-Mulk, the vizir of the Seljuq sultans, he was appointed head of the Nizamiyyah College at Baghdad in AH 484/AD 1091. As the intellectual head of the Islamic community, he was busy lecturing on Islamic jurisprudence at the College, and also refuting heresies and responding to questions from all segments of the community. Four years later, however, al-Ghazali fell into a serious spiritual crisis and finally left Baghdad, renouncing his career and the world After wandering in Syria and Palestine for about two years and finishing the pilgrimage to Mecca, he returned to Tus, where he was engaged in writing, Sufi practices and teaching his disciples until his death. In the meantime he resumed teaching for a few years at the Nizamiyyah College in Nishapur

Al-Ghazali explained in his autobiography why he renounced his brilliant career and turned to Sufism. It was, he says, due to his realization that there was no way to certain knowledge or the conviction of revelatory truth except through Sufism. (This means that the traditional form of Islamic faith was in a very critical condition at the time.) This realization is possibly related to his criticism of Islamic philosophy. In fact, his refutation of philosophy is not a mere criticism from a certain (orthodox) theological viewpoint. First of all, his attitude towards philosophy was ambivalent; it was both an object and criticism and an object of learning (for example, logic and the natural sciences). He mastered philosophy and then criticized it in order to Islamicize it. The importance of his criticism lies in his philosophical demonstration that the philosophers’ metaphysical arguments cannot stand the test of reason. However, he was also forced to admit that the certainty, of revelatory truth, for which he was so desperately searching, cannot be obtained by reason. It was only later that he finally attained to that truth in the ecstatic state (fana’) of the Sufi. Through his own religious experience, he worked to revive the faith of Islam by reconstructing the religious sciences upon the basis of Sufsm, and to give a theoretical foundation to the latter under the influence of philosophy. Thus Sufism came to be generally recognized in the Islamic community. Though Islamic philosophy did not long survive al-Ghazali’s criticism, he contributed greatly to the subsequent philosophization of Islamic theology and Sufism.

Q.E.D

javaab e jaahilaan, khamushi baashad.

Re: # 248

Tahmed sahib;

don't you think, more important question is what would he do with virgin mary?

Re:bjkumar#228
[...Talk sex - or do not talk at all!...]

Beej yaar, no matter what you say, pakistani politics is almost as entertaining as sex. Look at the non-stop nautanki going on with Musharraf, Nawaz Sharif, Benazir, Chief Justice, Jihadis, Taliban, Al-quaeda, Osama, George Bush, Manto, Romair, Hamidm etc. Everyone in the world is involved in Pakistan, like some kind of a carnival. With all this going on, when do the Pakis get time for sex?

What do we Indians have besides Laloo Prasad Yadav? Even he has gone the Eye Eye Tee/Eye Eye Yum route (also the bania route) with all the management consultants buzzing around him for words of wisdom. Damn, we do need sex!!

Re: # 247
dear tahmed 32...
hain kawakab kuch nazar aatain hain kuch
dhoka daitay hain ye bazi gar khula
chowkies seem to have more fascination with God and religion and spirituality than sexuality...smiles...sohail

thinkingstorm: if you grovel hard enough, once he is in the spiritual world, naqsh might even invite you to visit the 8th sphere of heaven. if he is really generous, he may even arrange for you to meet the virgin mary.

bj#245 yikes!! I guess I did now that you mention it. a double entendre that could only have been spotted by someone with a mind that is finely-tuned to the topic of this board. Dr. Sohail should be pleased.

kaal-

even before I read your post, I just "knew" that I have now become a lower spiritual caste. I got cheated out of the non-caste status. damn it all. I must start a naqsh appreciation thread to appease the gods and walliullahs
with much respect,
thinking storm

#243

[clever intrusion of the word "virgin"]

Sir, I do not mean to cast aspersions on your cleverness but let me point it out that you had actually already accomplished the same objective in that post through your virtually genius-like inclusion of the word "achoot"!

Kaalchakra #242 offensive in #229? to whom?? why??

thinkingstorm #240 "lineage beats rational any old day"

good observation. :-)

and not just that, for making this observation you are now doomed to be an achoot in the caste system that naqsh mentioned exists in the spiritual realm, whereas naqsh will be the purest brahmin (or should that be syed??) sitting in the 8th sphere of heaven alongside virgin mary.

(bjkumar to note clever intrusion of the word "virgin" above to ensure post stays on topic)

Just checked bhrata beej's # 229. Thought that was unnecessarily offensive. Beej!!