Sex Education For the Next Generation

bj #229 If hinduism is poly, mono, or zero-theistic, then islam is one step ahead and has all three and a fourth one as well, the 0.5-theists. Let me explain, and you will see that we have reps from all four (not merely three, like hinduism) in islam:

poly-theist: those who make gods out other men, or make a god out of money, power;

mono-theists - those who have had enough of the polys.

zero-theists - those who cant imagine a consciousness outside their own;

0.5-theists - those who dont really believe in God, but cover all bases. And what is more - among muslims you will find individuals who are polytheists as well as 0.5-theists at the same time!! we call them maulvis. ;-)

kaal-

true, the lineage beats rational any old day. I submit. Like a corpse. I submit :)
with much respect,
thinking storm

ts, naqsh bhai's excptional lineage and inside information must place him far beyond our ken. :)

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anil ji, I have called you the most Hindu of all Hindus here (somehow I always think of you as a jain), and I stick by that assertion. I can't and won't even try to argue this with you. :)

#235 Anil

[...send Naqshbandi a complimentary copy of Kamasutra]

Anil sahib, as I am sure you are fully aware, at least SOME of us are highly protective of what always was, has forever been, and shall forever remain – exclusively our own!

Some questions for Naqshbandi and the Ulema on the board.

Surprisingly the original Islam uses the word 'fareezah' with 'ilm' (knowledge) only and not for any ritual like 'namaz', etc. This 'fareezah' was meant originally for men only but was latter extended to women also and to 'namaz', etc., as well.

Paradoxically, the Mullah, use the word 'namaz' for Quranic 'Salat' notwithstanding the fact that this is the name of a pagan ritual but object to using the name of their 'Khuda' for Arabic 'Allah'.

Does it not show, Islam is being modified imperceptibly?

Am I right Mr Naqshbandi?
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

Re: # 232

Kaal:

"...with its specific approach to God!..."

Have you ever consider if the redunancy is God, then what happens? My suggestion, substitute it with "Human Mind", and then re-read it.

Re: # 228

BJ:

Why don't you send Naqshbandi a complimentary copy of Kamasutra?

Kaal-

yaar, sufism is much misunderstood due to our learned mullah naqsh.

I would invite you to read up on the sufi order international. Krishna and Buddha's teachings are also included in thier philosophy.

I don't consider sufism as primitive. In fact I considered that path to be enlightened (not the only path of enlightement, mind you).

VRV, I agree with your example. The creator is reflected in our grain. Even a blade of grass can lead us to the ecstatic truth.

Note: I am not a sufi. Nor do I follow the universalists.
with much respect,
thinking storm

VRV, the next time you visit a mosque, see if your story finds enthusiastic reception there.

I would tell you beforehand. Neither you nor they would be wrong. Don't be disheartened if you are told to consult with Dr Sohail.

You are just very different.

Not seeing that clear difference is NOT a 'friendly' thing.

VRV, you were speaking to a Brahmin, for Lord's sake! LOL

I probably have written, over the years here, about ten posts that would seem a replica of #231. That's pretty standard Hindu stuff.

I have tried to explain that here as the "beyond faith" approach of Hinduism.

If you conclude that Sufism is Hinduism, I would agree, except that it is a very foolish and emaciated form, but we are talking of ISLAM, vrv, a great religion in its own right, with its specific approach to God!

There is faith, and there is faith. I have never understood what can be gained by confusing the two.

Toofan,

I haven't re-invented the wheel.

Kaala Chakra,

Onething that I can tell is that Muslims too are ritualistic. Some bang their heads involuntarily (teenagers) some do the same with reverence.

I'd like 2 share a 10-yr old anecdote abt faith/belief.

I was staying with a pious Brahmin (during training). After arguments abt God, faith and religion, he did something to infleunce my approach to God.

He took me to the garden outside and picked-up a handful of black-cotton soil and shaped it as an idol. Plucked flowers from the garden and brought some incense sticks and invited the inmates of the training centre for pooja. All the batchmates came and joined the pooja.

After pooja & everybody is gone he removed flowers and took the hand-made idol and put it back in the place and winked at me.

It's a lesson in faith.

Beej, off topic?

How can that be when both God and Satan have always come together where legs meet? When God choses to perform His greatest miracle - of birth - through nothing else? :)

#227 Tauheed Sahib

I have not been to the mosque. However, as a Hindu, a mosque is just another place of worship - just like any other. You should get this generalization that "Hinduism automatically equates to polytheism" out of your head. Both monotheism and polytheism (and perhaps "zero-theism") are legitimate in Hinduism.

If there are "jewels" buried in your religion and some of your own practitioners of the faith are not even aware of those jewels and they waste their time guarding what is essentially VERY superficial and so miss out on what is of REAL value and then somebody like the VRV sneaks in, grabs those "jewels" and boldly walks out of there making all your fellow followers feeling like chumps....

Hey, it's not MY fault!

#225 Kambakhat Kaal (K2)

Like I mentioned to the Tauheed, this discussion is WAY off-topic!

It ought to perhaps confine itself and at least focus on SEX more than on the "education"!

Come on, yank it out and deliver! Give it your best "shot"! :))

Talk sex - or do not talk at all! (Note: I do not consider S&M of the variety that the Naqshbandi so gallantly just underwent as REAL sex! :))

Of course, like I mentioned earlier - which was validated by the Sohail - the subcontinental crowd is VERY squeamish on such matters.

Such people could learn a LOT from the Amrikkans.

Yeah!

bjkumar: You may have a good track record with male and female spirits, but we are talking about the noble muslim eunuch jinn here. No way you could get past him and plant a polytheistic idols in the mosque while taking off with the heeray-jawaharat the noble jinn is protecting.

(note that this post has at least excellent relevance to the topic since it mentions not just two genders but three!!)

#224 tahmed32

Tauheed sahib, I have a generally good track record with spirits (both male and female, both current and dearly-departed ones). However, unlike miaN VRV, I have not made any teerath-yatra to the local mosque. For that matter, I have not been to the local temple either - because when everything is said and done....dill ek mandir hai!

However, since no sex is involved (or was ever involved) we may be way off-the-topic of this article!