Sex Education For the Next Generation

Re: # 302

naqshbandi,

.... you are my favourite muslim on this site! ...

...... by the way, did any of these great sufis use drugs (or alcohol) to get closer to god, or is it just the malangs at bari imam who pound out the finest bhang accompanied by the jhankar of gunghroos and chants of 'allah hoo' ? ......... based on personal experience, i can say with some authority that drugs are a more effective instrument for discovering god than incessant prayer ....... and, to stay on the subject at hand, they can also enhance sexual pleasure if used properly .........

and i haven't dissed shias--yes only those ghuluww shias who are extremists in their aqaid. it is something no sufi would ever do right mr. thinkingstorm? i suggest you go and do some reading. for example read ghawth al azam's ghunyaat at-taalibeen...

yes, in daily life sunnis sufis and shias have generally had a 'even though we disagree with your aqaid we'll live and let live' kind of attitude even to this day.

btw dr.sohail thanks for the nice words but i encourage you to read the works of imam ghazali...

tahmed--i agree in reality i wouldnt speak so brazenly about oral sex to a woman. but if a woman asked me about it like mrs scout did so blatantly--then why should i be coy? if one wants to be feminist and modern and westernised then one has to expect to be treated in the same way as western guys speak to western women about sexuality. despite that i still tried to make my point in a joking manner pretending to speak like a stereotypical chinaman and use (not very subtle) metaphors for the act. i could have said just get your man to eat you out or go down on you --those are the common terms where in my culture where i grew up but i didn't. you cannot want to be all 'forward' and secularoon and kanjaroon like and then expect to be treated like a mashriqi larki with traditional values. still, if my brazenness offended anyone i am sorry. i would refer the young maidan to the writings of anais nin...

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i actually don't cuss very much at all--read my posts on chowk. people like you sometimes get on my nerves because you talk about something you do not know anything about. look i am ignorant about many subjects--economics for exaMPLE--but not tassawuf--i have grown up in a sufi household and studied it actively for the past 20 years so i can say it is something i am pretty well aware of. your universalist sufi type of hogwash argument is nothing new. even western academics no longer hold on to the beliefs you have about sufism. you didn't even read the links i gave you. which is why i stopped interacting with you. anyone who seriously thinks al ghazali was only a jurist and not a brilliant sufi is not worth talking to seriously on this matter.

teshah,

that is the poetry of a sufi saint in the state of spiritual annihilation, fana and not meant literally. in his love for God he has forgottoen everything else, even himself and his identity. it doesn't mean he is not a muslim anymore.

dr. sohail

happy? 301.

*grins and smiles all around*
with much respect,
thinking storm

Re: # 296

tahmed,

....you might disagree with naqshbandi's presentation of his argument, but you cannot disagree with his basic premise about oral sex ..... you know, he is right - ask dr sohail .... better yet, ask any woman .........

..... actually, if all muslims were like naqshbandi the world would be a better (and safer) place ..... if i ever decide to revert back to islam i will join his order which, i am sure, has a lot of very happy women ..........

Re: # 263

DM

See what Bulle Shah says about himself:

"Nah mein momin wich maseetaan
Nah mein wich kufar diaan reetaan
Nah mein paakaan wich paleetaan
Nah mein Moosa nah Firoun
Bulleyaa ki jaanan mein koun"

Regards
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

dear dr.sohail.

I am also interested in knowing, from a psychological point of view, when is a sense of humor considered to be smart-alecky?
with much respect,
thinking storm

Dr sohail.

I see your hidden attempt to move the post count to cross the 300 posts threshold.

Firstly, naqsh does not really have a gentle nature. He cusses a lot. He has ranted against shias (which no sufi in his right mind would do)

Secondly, he is of a fundamentalist mullah bent and has been for the past long while spouting fundamentalist lore dressed up as sufism on chowk. He has met an opponent now. I dispute his claims. In fact, I have given proof where he asked, and all he comes back with is "these are not sufis" and other false logics.

thirdly, he is misguided, but his intentions may be good. I fear, he suffers in the intellect department, however, and some mullahs are taking advantage of him, like they are of so many others in England.

fourthly, dear dr.sohail, as much as you run from religion, it will chase you everywhere :). On the other hand, thankfully, you have provided me two monikers that I am now using: I have become an almost secular muslim with a keen interest in tantra.

fifthly, religion is sex. You can quote me in one of your books. So in a sense, we have been talking about it all this time.

grins.
with much respect,
thinking storm

drsohail: granted naqshbandi is a gentle soul ... most of the time. Let me however quote something he wrote that no "gentle soul" (or even "gentleman") would ever say to a female poster: if you want your man to have a earth-shattering orgasm try to stimulate the....
When I jokingly tried to bring this to naqsh's attention, he thought what he said was really amusing and wrote:
to miss scout: confucius say if man want woman make honey from her flower he practise wushu of tongue on her holiest of holies. it also help if he good with many languages if he want be good cunning linguist.

statistics actually show that women are 30% more likely to have an orgasm with cunnilingus than penetration alone.

Granted the female poster had joked about something sexual, but is this what all naqsh's training from "sufis" and "saints" has taught him about how to behave before females??

Laanat ho in "ulema" per jin ki perwarish main yeh bhai naqshbandki kisi behanay bhi aik khaatoon ko yeh sab kooch likh sakta hai!!

So, Dr. Sohail sahib, with all due respect you are totally out of line with your post

Re: # 293
dear thinkingstorm...i like your sense of humour...honestly speaking you have been unfair to naqsh sahib and took advantage of his gentle nature....i like your smartness but sometines you become smartaleky....you write
with much respect....
but not act on it....i am not a nasih....it is just a friendly comment....now you are in the doghouse...but you seem sorry...so i am hopeful that your prayers will be answered and naqsh sahib will forgive you....but i am afraid you might do that again sometime and he being nice might bite your bait again....
why do you think the discussion was so passionate and stormy but moved from sexuality to spirituality?
affectionately sohail

Re: # 289

no i have never said that. ever.

Oye Naqshi-

Unfortunately, I am given to bad manners, like the salutation above. I fear I have fallen in your bad graces. Since you are a living wali ullah rahmatulla. I will ask you something, then you can pass it along to Allah, okay? (but no peeking in the message)

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Please Allah, make Naqsh answer my retorts. I have shown the error in his reasoning on the shia and sufi thing, and the mulla and sufi thing, but he listens not. Since he is a wali and all, please whoop some sense into him. Thank you.

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Thanks Naqshi.
with much respect,
thinking storm

dr. sohail

meena is most likely one of our female imposter guys. I doubt meena would jump into a forum like this as a total newbie :)

smiles right back at ya!
with much respect,
thinking storm

Re: # 288
dear meena 22...thanks and welcome...sohail

naqshbandi: How about Edhi? Would you include him in the Saint Register?