Inside Story of Nawaz's Cooked Up Return to Pakistan

Interesting story, but Richard Boucher is only a messenger. I missed a mention of his master, John Negroponte, a jewish American, dual citizen of Israel, and former US intelligence czar (21 April 2005 - 13 Feb 2007) who was pulling the strings mainly on behalf of Israel. Negroponte has a history of supporting repressive governments and turning a blind eye to human rights abuse and other lawless activities.
Negroponte has also worked closely with Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, while Muqrin was the Saudi intelligence chief (October 2005 - now), and Muqrin's presence in Pakistan was also on behalf of Israel-US. The Israeli hand is also evident from Benazir's recent meeting in the US with Zalmay Khalilzad (who hand picked Karzai and Nouri Al Malki) and even Israel's Ambassador to the UN, Dan Gillerman.
The chairman of the American Jewish Congress, Jack Rosen, who welcomed the meeting between Ms. Bhutto and Gillerman, has visited General Musharraf in Islamabad in the spring of 2005. And who can forget what Israel's then Foreign Minister, and now President, Shimon Peres said in November 2001: "I never thought that as a good Jewish boy, I will go to bed praying for the long life of the President of Pakistan."

teshah #56: The honor would be mine to meet you, I am sure. However, I do not live in Islamabad, but half way around the world, in the US. But as you can see from my participation in chowk - Pakistan has and will remain close to my heart.

Re: # 51

Ananth07

"f it is war on terror being fought, the Saudi royals are a wrong allies to have on the side of America and Pakistan ."

It is quite understandable. All rulers want status quo and stability. Mush feels terrified by NS as he disturbs his stability and Saudi Harramin are disturbed by Osama bin Laden (Previously by Saddam also) . America is helping both
by containing these 'terrors' by mutual arrangement.
As for the carnage of innocent people America is the greatest terrorist itself. So why be surprised at their collusion.

Re: # 55 (cntinued)

I tried it again by deleting the message. Let us see what happens. The problem is they don't show it in review that one should know what is going to be posted.

Tahmad Mian you perhps live in Islamabad. If so, can I have the honour to meet you?

Re: # 54

tahmed

Thank you dear for adopting the quote and guiding me to get rid of it! I have already tried this. Let me see if it appears again.

Sorry! I should have said 'Readers might be bored by too much repetition of the quote' instead of saying 'I am bored'.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

#49 teshah: Since you are getting bored with the automatic signature, I have adopted it. :-)

In return, here is how you get rid of it: Click on "Account Settings" (top right), then on "Settings" tab, and you should see the textbox titled "Signature" with these wise words waiting to be deleted by you.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

there is still lots of surprises to come so keep your seat belts on as we are heading for a rocky terrain and those who will have strong nerves would survive. so stay put for the time being

We have Rabri Devi in Sehba Musharraf. She'd be the cover for Musharraf if/when SC declares him as ineligible 4 Prez 'elections'. So Musharraf is a neo-laloo.

Mr. TE Shah,

I's wondering why u say that all the time (the caption). Though it made perfect sense but its repetition wondered me.

Now, it's a bug, I guess.

Re # 45

Gen Musharaf has fashioned himself on Kemal Ataturk, but there has been no instances of Turkey sending its former PMs to Saudi Guantanamo. If it is war on terror being fought, the Saudi royals are a wrong allies to have on the side of America and Pakistan .

# Re no 45

What is the use of have nuclear bombs, if a country does not grow a strong spine, ie the institutions. After GOVT sending its former PM to the Saudi Guantanamo, how can Pakistani institutions survive, and without the institutions how can the country survive ?

I am fed up with this automatic signature quote at the bottom of my post. Will any chowky friend kindly tell me how to do away with it?
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

Re: # 45

NS's abortive trip to his homeland has done one great service: It has removed the sacred cloak from the Saudi Harramin and exposed the dagger beneath. The Saudi Harramin who had killed our beloved 'Khuda'to replace it with their revengeful Salfi Allah with the power of their petrodollars have now opened an Islamic Guantanamo for Pakies in the sacred land to help the rulers of their ilk. So the Paki Nation has now come to realize that the Wardi ruler of Pakiland and his henchmen can understand no other language than the language of the bullet.

Alas! The Pakistan of the Quaide Aazam has at last been turned into a real 'Yaakistan'(A lawless land); 'Inna lillah he wa inna illeh he raajioon'.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

Khas kam jahan pak (pun intended)

Re: # 42
dear jayp
when u r reporting an event u r supposed to quote and when u r writing a comment then u have to create your own, i hope u will agree. this was a report quoting sources to reveal what actually happend and how they substantiate it, one can differ with them but not in a report only in a comment. so i am sorry you will have to bear with this. regards

These are extremely unusual circumstances for Pakistan. If that wasn't the case, Saudia would never have angered the Pakistani people through their direct intervention against the SC order. Tony Blair was right when just before leaving office, he suddenly showed up in Afghanistan and said to British troops that this war is not only for political or military victory, but for very survival and supremacy of the western civilization. The ones who lose this war will bear the consequences for not decades but centuries.

So, the struggle is between the Pro-War on terror forces, and those against it. Nawaz and Supreme Court of Pakistan are not big enough institutions not be sidelined in this struggle. Even bigger institutions will be sidelined in trying to win ... i.e. the entire Pakistan as we know it.

Nawaz is not unaware of the above, hence his lip service to support W.O.T on CNN a few days before his attempted return. Of-course it didn't work because US wouldn't trust an NS allied with the virulently anti-w.o.t MMA, as against a BB allied with musharraf. So, back he goes. SC or no SC.

Re: # 13

Lord Nazir? Punjab Nazir is a better description. His (Agent Butt ooo Lord Nazir )presence at Isloo airport confirms the conspiracy theory regarding brits involvement.

Your explanation regarding the change of flight paths can mean only two things (1) NS lacks quite a few brain cells or (2) one sud seriousely doubt your intelligence or understanding of international affairs.

More pak soldiers have surrendered to the tribals. The pak policy of using only helicopter gunships is teh right thing. Slowly the tribals will accept that bombs will come from the sky, and this can be passed on to teh nato forces. The predator is the right weapon, the prey are the jihadis.

Thus the pak army can be safe and sound ruling the ilks of YLH.

sam 67,

As a writer you have some obligations. What you have written is some here say, if that is your basis, then a little of motivated writing like what I have done, in your class of writing can be passed off as heresay. The fact is that what you have "heard' from sources is a simply motivated version.

Hence instead of mouthing some one else,s motivated words, why vcant you create your own.

Pakistan has become a country with two masters .. America and Saudi Arabia. It must be demeaning to a country of 140 millions whose institutions are over ruled by foreign powers.

Musharraf is on his way out.

THE POWER OF ONE:

"Meanwhile, a senior pathologist Professor Anwar ul Haque, who was recently transferred from Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences to the ministry of health for seeking information from the Election Commission on how can a government servant contest presidential polls, on Tuesday wrote a letter to the Chief Election Commissioner challenging the eligibility of General Musharraf to contest election to the office of the president.

Prof Haque said in his letter deportation of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif amounted to ridiculing the judiciary which rendered Musharraf disqualified from contesting presidential polls under Article 63G of the Constitution."

(from todays DAWN).

These are the true heroes of Pakistan.

#32 Posted by shishapa:

It is not for me to answer whether or not Pakistanis want democracy. If they want it then like minded people should support them.

Re: # 34

Tahmadji,

I have told you numerous times in the past, give
up looking for even that 1%.
Aap sunatay hi nahi... Aapki marzi.

#28 Dost Mittar: Just dont hold me to this standard. :-)

GT #31 Good point. A democratic Pakistan is good for everyone, not just Pakistanis.

#33 shishapa: I am sure that at least 1% of what you write makes any logical sense. Its just that I cant find even that 1%. :-(

The election commission is planning to set the date for elections. The lawyers, I believe, are on (planning to?) strike. It is time for university students and professors to walk out of their classes.

If there is any professor or student reading this post in Pakistan and who agrees that walking out is the thing to do but is scared because he/she will be ridiculed or that he/she will be left alone then please be assured that protest, no matter by how many, is the core of democracy. Go alone if you have to, but make sure that the people around you know what you are doing and why you are doing it. In the end it will be people like you who matter, not BB or NS.

Re: # 29

If it was so necessary to have democracy, do not
you think they would have achieved by now?
It has been 60 years and three or four dictators past
and there is no agreement on basics.
If past is any indicator, future for forseeable
future will remain same.

And what should the non-Pakistanis do?

Support Pakistanis in their quest for democracy in whatever way possible. Internationalize the issue. Oppose the mainstream idea that democracy in Pakistan would usher in mullahs with nuclear weapons. Oppose the idea that the army is the best thing in pakistan after sliced bread. Link up with Pakistanis in your city and ASK them what they need.

GT@29:

And what should the non-Pakistanis do? :-)

Instead of focusing on this gloomy picture, Pakistanis should take all of it as a POSITIVE. An opportunity has been provided to each and every Pakistani to rise up and be counted. It is time to stop whining about the US. Supporters of the dictator are already taking things in their hands in Karachi. Opponents, secular liberals and religious, should take to the courts, universities and the street. The short term objective is very clear cut ... legislative elections before presidential elections (perhaps couched through the uniform issue but better directly). Pakistani residents outside Pakistan should identify groups that they support, collect resources and channel them to the respective groups. Resources like chowk could possibly be used for current information and communication on matters of general importance whether or not the press is muzzled. This is not the time for a debate on Bhutto and MAJ, this is not a time for sex education, this is not the time to ponder about the quality of education in universities, this is not the time to whine, this is the time to ACT for DEMOCRACY.

khurram:

I withdraw my definition in favour of that of tahmed32's in #26.

khurram#25:

Here is my take. Right is what my conscience tells me. For instance, my conscience tells me that discriminating people on the basis of one's birth is wrong. Now, if you go by the Hindu religion, it is right to discriminate on the basis of caste and if you are Muslim, it is right to discriminate on the basis of one's faith.

khurram: how do we figure out what's right.

Treat others the way you would like to be treated.

(and do as I say, not as I do).

teshah:

"Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

That's nice. But how do we figure out what's right.

sam67, others:

What matters is what does it mean going further. For all practical purposes, Nawaz Sharif is now out of the picture, literally, in the showdown taking place in Pakistan. The question is, who gains? Can Shahbaz take the place of Nawaz? If he tries to, will he be arrested or deported? Can BB somehow control the damage that she has done to herself by getting too close to Musharraf? Can the Americans help her by encouraging her to make some anti-american statements? Who will reap the crop that Nawaz was hoping to harvest? MMA or King's Party or someone else?

teshah:

"Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

These words are worth a "mukarrar"!

ramchandar#19:

Thanks for that info.

The only good thing to come out of this is that Pakistanis have seen the true face of their Saudi "friends".

I read this article, and found it to be a piece of rubbish. The "inside story" being that that Nawaz Sharif had agreed to a "face-saving" cooked up return for a few hours of sitting in the airport, and we have to take the writer's word for it!!

Mr. Minhaas,

Kindly accept my apologies. If you are saying that it is based on actual feedback received from people who ought to know I will accept it. But it reveals a very sad story about Pak state of affairs. Not only is it ruled by a dictator but its fate is being continually determined by foreigners who have no stake in the country's well-being. Instead of the feared dictatorship of the Hanud which may or may not have happened, it has been replaced by actual Army/Gora/Saudi rule.

Regards

ref#6
Dear DostMittar,

I don't know whether you know little story about 'andhay ko andharay mein bahut door ki soojhi.'

Sauda one of the great son of Delhi, had this blind teacher. One day when he visited him, Sauda found his teacher bit absent minded. Sauda asked his teacher 'Peero murshid what is bothering you.' His teacher said 'Sauda I have just composed this first line of the couplet but am struggling to complete the whole sher.'

Sauda said 'Huzoor can I help.'

At that point his blind teacher recited the first line.
'Fabti tei zulf pe shab-e-de-joor ki soojhi.'.
Sauda jumped and said 'Peero murshid I have completed the sher and he recited the second line "Andhay ko andheray me badi door ki soojhi."'

#15 Posted by sam67

..the facts and as stated by highly placed sources within diplomatic community and bureaucracy..

Sure I would expect that. This is the official line which the GOP is going to tow in their defense. But the reports of the actual eyewitnesses at the airport and inside the aircraft do not add up to this theory.

Further, you should not call these 'facts'. These are 'hearsay' at best :)

Re: # 11
thanks for the advice but if you can pls read my reply posted at #13, you might form a different opinion. as a writer i am not supposed to take sides or add something from myself, its the discussions and debates with those involved that we come to know about the complex nature of any operation in power corridors and then you may agree or not, thats what i have put forward on chowk. regards

Come on, Chowdhari, show the khaki clad scoundrel his place

Re: # 13
as i have said earlier that this write up has nothing in it but facts though they seem sometimes to some people as skecthy or imaginary but power corridors have nothing in them but theories, counter theories and then again counter theories. Thanks for acknowledging that Hariri and Saudis were prompted by US but you have to keep in mind that Nawaz Sharif was once given a lease of life by the same courts in 1993 when Ghulam Ishaq Khan sent him rolling on corruption charges and that was a landmark decision by the then judiciary but then everyone knows what followed Nawaz and Ishaq had to present their resignations to the army chief. this is just one example of how good our politicians are at making political decisions. but anyway this piece has nothing in it but the facts and as stated by highly placed sources within diplomatic community and bureaucracy who have been involved in this whole process one way or the other. rest is up to you and as i said earlier this is the best thing about chowk where we bring our stuff for discussion and its not necessary to agree but yes we can learn how to disagree for the sake of some agreement. regards

Re: # 10
As for the write up its not just a jest. its the harsh reality which as a writer I am supposed to do. yes i honour the views of others but thats not my concern because my job is to write whatever i could confirm and could gather from my sources and contacts.you ahev every right to make your own opinion and basically thats the best thing about chowk that we bring things here to discuss and carry on debates which can ultimately lead to our education and education of others. best of luck.

The author's theory is full of holes. The only credible part is the prompting of Hariri and the Saudis by US to the extent of pursuading NS not to return and let the BB/musharraf deal go through, but other than that, the author appears of the camp about whom I had written on UP ... i.e. those who see a 'drama' in everything.

Lord Nazir has testified through an affidavit in SC that NS was manhandled by commandos in trying to get him to board. The fact that NS had refused to hand over his passport for stamping for entry has been acknowledged by the Minister of State for Interior in a press conference, which makes it criminal abduction rather than re-exile AFTER he entered the country, plus of-course contempt of SC. Further, investigative reports by Ansar Abbasi of Jang newspaper have stated today that NS was shown arrest warrants which he accepted, and put on board a regular PIA flight bound for Karachi via Quetta, thus conveying the impression he was being taken to Landhi jail. However the call sign of the flight was changed midway from domestic to international and the plane went to Jeddah instead.

All of the above point to a deceitful plan hatched by musharraf, after all else had failed, to re-deport NS at all costs and risking serious judicial confrontation, rather than a facade designed to placate party workers and save NS face hatched by US.

Latest new from Jang, another 13 troops surrender.

BANNU: Two policemen were injured in an attack on their post near here, while following the attack, 13 FC men were found missing, whose being kidnapped was feared.

Sources told that some unknown persons attacking a police post at Baran Bridge on Mir Ali Road here opened barrage of fires with rockets and automatic weapons, wounding two police and FC men. Besides the 13 FC men, who were also stationed at this post, were later found missing along with their weapons. Sources told that fears of these security men kidnapped being expressed.

Saed,

It is people like you who do the most harm to pakistan. As an educated paki, you should have done something more for nawaz to be responsible for what happened.

Here is a theory for you.\

Like the YLH and tahmed of chowk, Nawaz is also a simpleton pakistani, who got excited about so called the judicial activism. He presumed that the court order means tha he cannot be sent into exile, and even if he is kept in prison, he is still in the midst of pak politics and can pull some strings.

Nawz clearly has not been reading teh posts of jayp that pakistan is a failed state and no one let alone court has any powers. Think of teh situation where the army is powerless and is being kidnapped by tribals.

In conclusion, Nawaz is yet another typical pakistani with no sense of history, no idea of teh reality. That is why he came to pakistan and got deported again, as the final proof that courts in pakistan are nothing.

I am sure the author of this piece has written this article just in jest. Don't see Brits defying the Yanks on Pak. Anyway I dont see the need of such a charade. Mush may as well rig the elections on a large scale to get a friendly party in power and get himself elected with his uniform on.

Regards

Interesting theory Saeed.

BTW the article showed up on google news. Check out a screen shot in my gallery section.
with much respect,
thinking storm

It is evident that an international mafia is working against Pakistan, but I wonder why people overlook the local most potent players in this bazaar drama - Mqm's matarua gardi and Gujrati mafia's disgraceful servitude. Mqm's 'gherao' of SHC is evidently a warning to the SC to keep quite or else....

As regards NS's trip to his country it was just a comically tragic or tragically comic interlude and nothing more. How can unarmed civilians get rid of a mercenary army in whose grip is the 'rag-e-jaan' of this country? It is indeed the defining moment.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

It is evident that an international mafia is working against Pakistan, but I wonder why people overlook the local most potent players in this bazaar drama - Mqm's matarua gardi and Gujrati mafia's disgraceful servitude. Mqm's 'gherao' of SHC is evidently a warning to the SC to keep quite or else....

As regards NS's trip to his country it was just a comically tragic or tragically comic interlude and nothing more. How can unarmed civilians get rid of a mercenary army in whose is grip is the 'rag-e-jaan' of this country. It is indeed the defining moment.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

I felt like saying "andhay ko andhairay mein badi door ki soojhee", but then I realised that we are living in a world of "andhair nagri, chaupat raja" where nagri could be either Pakistan or this world whose raja is Bush.

Re: # 1

No truly faithful would accept his culpability to a crime.

After all it is "Inshallah" and all actions have a FINAL cause in the will of an imagined deity.

Even Osama calls it will of God.

So Musharaff is ALSO a will of God.

Bush is also a will of God.

I think Minhas' theory is quite plausible given the baysharam status of our politicians, sirkari moulvis, and mafia generals.

I do not feel sorry for NS for he conveniently kept quiet on the recent massacre of school children in Islamabad. Nor did he speak about the massacre of Pakistani citizens in Waziristan or Baluchistan by the thugs of napak fouj, and foreign aggression.

The following may not be an eye opener but provides a solid reasoin why a corrupt westernized ruling elite should be and will be lined up against walls and shot.

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/sep2007-daily/12-09-2007/col6.htm

This fiasco leads one to ask the Pakistanis if this is what they wanted when MAJ wanted a homeland for Muslims?

This does sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theory! Especially when it is unlikely Mushy will do a deal with BB anyway!

If it IS true then Mushy doesn't deserve to be leader. THe House of Saud are ghulaams anyway. Also, I doubt v. much if the UK would have a pakistan policy so radically different from that of the US as the author of this juvenalia alleges.

Why cant Pakistanis take responsiblity for their own dumb actions instead of trying to blame the US for everything? The US has influence but it is not God. It cant control each and every action taken by each and every person in Pakistan. Musharraf's behavior like a tinpot dictator was ridiculous. Why bring the US into it?