Inside Story of Nawaz's Cooked Up Return to Pakistan

Re: # 11
thanks for the advice but if you can pls read my reply posted at #13, you might form a different opinion. as a writer i am not supposed to take sides or add something from myself, its the discussions and debates with those involved that we come to know about the complex nature of any operation in power corridors and then you may agree or not, thats what i have put forward on chowk. regards

#15 Posted by sam67

..the facts and as stated by highly placed sources within diplomatic community and bureaucracy..

Sure I would expect that. This is the official line which the GOP is going to tow in their defense. But the reports of the actual eyewitnesses at the airport and inside the aircraft do not add up to this theory.

Further, you should not call these 'facts'. These are 'hearsay' at best :)

ref#6
Dear DostMittar,

I don't know whether you know little story about 'andhay ko andharay mein bahut door ki soojhi.'

Sauda one of the great son of Delhi, had this blind teacher. One day when he visited him, Sauda found his teacher bit absent minded. Sauda asked his teacher 'Peero murshid what is bothering you.' His teacher said 'Sauda I have just composed this first line of the couplet but am struggling to complete the whole sher.'

Sauda said 'Huzoor can I help.'

At that point his blind teacher recited the first line.
'Fabti tei zulf pe shab-e-de-joor ki soojhi.'.
Sauda jumped and said 'Peero murshid I have completed the sher and he recited the second line "Andhay ko andheray me badi door ki soojhi."'

Mr. Minhaas,

Kindly accept my apologies. If you are saying that it is based on actual feedback received from people who ought to know I will accept it. But it reveals a very sad story about Pak state of affairs. Not only is it ruled by a dictator but its fate is being continually determined by foreigners who have no stake in the country's well-being. Instead of the feared dictatorship of the Hanud which may or may not have happened, it has been replaced by actual Army/Gora/Saudi rule.

Regards

I read this article, and found it to be a piece of rubbish. The "inside story" being that that Nawaz Sharif had agreed to a "face-saving" cooked up return for a few hours of sitting in the airport, and we have to take the writer's word for it!!

The only good thing to come out of this is that Pakistanis have seen the true face of their Saudi "friends".

teshah:

"Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

These words are worth a "mukarrar"!

ramchandar#19:

Thanks for that info.

sam67, others:

What matters is what does it mean going further. For all practical purposes, Nawaz Sharif is now out of the picture, literally, in the showdown taking place in Pakistan. The question is, who gains? Can Shahbaz take the place of Nawaz? If he tries to, will he be arrested or deported? Can BB somehow control the damage that she has done to herself by getting too close to Musharraf? Can the Americans help her by encouraging her to make some anti-american statements? Who will reap the crop that Nawaz was hoping to harvest? MMA or King's Party or someone else?

teshah:

"Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."

That's nice. But how do we figure out what's right.

khurram: how do we figure out what's right.

Treat others the way you would like to be treated.

(and do as I say, not as I do).

khurram#25:

Here is my take. Right is what my conscience tells me. For instance, my conscience tells me that discriminating people on the basis of one's birth is wrong. Now, if you go by the Hindu religion, it is right to discriminate on the basis of caste and if you are Muslim, it is right to discriminate on the basis of one's faith.

khurram:

I withdraw my definition in favour of that of tahmed32's in #26.

Instead of focusing on this gloomy picture, Pakistanis should take all of it as a POSITIVE. An opportunity has been provided to each and every Pakistani to rise up and be counted. It is time to stop whining about the US. Supporters of the dictator are already taking things in their hands in Karachi. Opponents, secular liberals and religious, should take to the courts, universities and the street. The short term objective is very clear cut ... legislative elections before presidential elections (perhaps couched through the uniform issue but better directly). Pakistani residents outside Pakistan should identify groups that they support, collect resources and channel them to the respective groups. Resources like chowk could possibly be used for current information and communication on matters of general importance whether or not the press is muzzled. This is not the time for a debate on Bhutto and MAJ, this is not a time for sex education, this is not the time to ponder about the quality of education in universities, this is not the time to whine, this is the time to ACT for DEMOCRACY.

GT@29:

And what should the non-Pakistanis do? :-)

And what should the non-Pakistanis do?

Support Pakistanis in their quest for democracy in whatever way possible. Internationalize the issue. Oppose the mainstream idea that democracy in Pakistan would usher in mullahs with nuclear weapons. Oppose the idea that the army is the best thing in pakistan after sliced bread. Link up with Pakistanis in your city and ASK them what they need.

Re: # 29

If it was so necessary to have democracy, do not
you think they would have achieved by now?
It has been 60 years and three or four dictators past
and there is no agreement on basics.
If past is any indicator, future for forseeable
future will remain same.