Saeed Minhas September 11, 2007
#1 Posted by Ranjit on September 11, 2007 2:28:23 pm
Why cant Pakistanis take responsiblity for their own dumb actions instead of trying to blame the US for everything? The US has influence but it is not God. It cant control each and every action taken by each and every person in Pakistan. Musharraf's behavior like a tinpot dictator was ridiculous. Why bring the US into it?
#2 Posted by Naqshbandi on September 11, 2007 3:01:27 pm
This does sound like a ridiculous conspiracy theory! Especially when it is unlikely Mushy will do a deal with BB anyway!
If it IS true then Mushy doesn't deserve to be leader. THe House of Saud are ghulaams anyway. Also, I doubt v. much if the UK would have a pakistan policy so radically different from that of the US as the author of this juvenalia alleges.
If it IS true then Mushy doesn't deserve to be leader. THe House of Saud are ghulaams anyway. Also, I doubt v. much if the UK would have a pakistan policy so radically different from that of the US as the author of this juvenalia alleges.
#3 Posted by giani_240 on September 11, 2007 3:39:41 pm
This fiasco leads one to ask the Pakistanis if this is what they wanted when MAJ wanted a homeland for Muslims?
#4 Posted by Urstruly on September 11, 2007 6:26:03 pm
I think Minhas' theory is quite plausible given the baysharam status of our politicians, sirkari moulvis, and mafia generals.
I do not feel sorry for NS for he conveniently kept quiet on the recent massacre of school children in Islamabad. Nor did he speak about the massacre of Pakistani citizens in Waziristan or Baluchistan by the thugs of napak fouj, and foreign aggression.
The following may not be an eye opener but provides a solid reasoin why a corrupt westernized ruling elite should be and will be lined up against walls and shot.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/sep2007-daily/12-09-2007/col6.htm
#5 Posted by laddu on September 11, 2007 7:06:21 pm
Re: # 1
No truly faithful would accept his culpability to a crime.
After all it is "Inshallah" and all actions have a FINAL cause in the will of an imagined deity.
Even Osama calls it will of God.
So Musharaff is ALSO a will of God.
Bush is also a will of God.
No truly faithful would accept his culpability to a crime.
After all it is "Inshallah" and all actions have a FINAL cause in the will of an imagined deity.
Even Osama calls it will of God.
So Musharaff is ALSO a will of God.
Bush is also a will of God.
#6 Posted by dost_mittar on September 11, 2007 7:10:49 pm
I felt like saying "andhay ko andhairay mein badi door ki soojhee", but then I realised that we are living in a world of "andhair nagri, chaupat raja" where nagri could be either Pakistan or this world whose raja is Bush.
#7 Posted by teshah on September 11, 2007 8:17:59 pm
It is evident that an international mafia is working against Pakistan, but I wonder why people overlook the local most potent players in this bazaar drama - Mqm's matarua gardi and Gujrati mafia's disgraceful servitude. Mqm's 'gherao' of SHC is evidently a warning to the SC to keep quite or else....
As regards NS's trip to his country it was just a comically tragic or tragically comic interlude and nothing more. How can unarmed civilians get rid of a mercenary army in whose is grip is the 'rag-e-jaan' of this country. It is indeed the defining moment.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
As regards NS's trip to his country it was just a comically tragic or tragically comic interlude and nothing more. How can unarmed civilians get rid of a mercenary army in whose is grip is the 'rag-e-jaan' of this country. It is indeed the defining moment.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
#8 Posted by teshah on September 11, 2007 8:29:54 pm
It is evident that an international mafia is working against Pakistan, but I wonder why people overlook the local most potent players in this bazaar drama - Mqm's matarua gardi and Gujrati mafia's disgraceful servitude. Mqm's 'gherao' of SHC is evidently a warning to the SC to keep quite or else....
As regards NS's trip to his country it was just a comically tragic or tragically comic interlude and nothing more. How can unarmed civilians get rid of a mercenary army in whose grip is the 'rag-e-jaan' of this country? It is indeed the defining moment.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
As regards NS's trip to his country it was just a comically tragic or tragically comic interlude and nothing more. How can unarmed civilians get rid of a mercenary army in whose grip is the 'rag-e-jaan' of this country? It is indeed the defining moment.
Morality is doing what is right, regardless what we are told.
Religious dogma is doing what we are told, no matter what is right."
#9 Posted by thinkingstorm on September 11, 2007 9:23:17 pm
Interesting theory Saeed.
BTW the article showed up on google news. Check out a screen shot in my gallery section.
with much respect,
thinking storm
BTW the article showed up on google news. Check out a screen shot in my gallery section.
with much respect,
thinking storm
#10 Posted by majumdar on September 12, 2007 1:31:29 am
I am sure the author of this piece has written this article just in jest. Don't see Brits defying the Yanks on Pak. Anyway I dont see the need of such a charade. Mush may as well rig the elections on a large scale to get a friendly party in power and get himself elected with his uniform on.
Regards
Regards
#11 Posted by jayp on September 12, 2007 2:12:03 am
Saed,
It is people like you who do the most harm to pakistan. As an educated paki, you should have done something more for nawaz to be responsible for what happened.
Here is a theory for you.\
Like the YLH and tahmed of chowk, Nawaz is also a simpleton pakistani, who got excited about so called the judicial activism. He presumed that the court order means tha he cannot be sent into exile, and even if he is kept in prison, he is still in the midst of pak politics and can pull some strings.
Nawz clearly has not been reading teh posts of jayp that pakistan is a failed state and no one let alone court has any powers. Think of teh situation where the army is powerless and is being kidnapped by tribals.
In conclusion, Nawaz is yet another typical pakistani with no sense of history, no idea of teh reality. That is why he came to pakistan and got deported again, as the final proof that courts in pakistan are nothing.
It is people like you who do the most harm to pakistan. As an educated paki, you should have done something more for nawaz to be responsible for what happened.
Here is a theory for you.\
Like the YLH and tahmed of chowk, Nawaz is also a simpleton pakistani, who got excited about so called the judicial activism. He presumed that the court order means tha he cannot be sent into exile, and even if he is kept in prison, he is still in the midst of pak politics and can pull some strings.
Nawz clearly has not been reading teh posts of jayp that pakistan is a failed state and no one let alone court has any powers. Think of teh situation where the army is powerless and is being kidnapped by tribals.
In conclusion, Nawaz is yet another typical pakistani with no sense of history, no idea of teh reality. That is why he came to pakistan and got deported again, as the final proof that courts in pakistan are nothing.
#12 Posted by jayp on September 12, 2007 2:42:05 am
Latest new from Jang, another 13 troops surrender.
BANNU: Two policemen were injured in an attack on their post near here, while following the attack, 13 FC men were found missing, whose being kidnapped was feared.
Sources told that some unknown persons attacking a police post at Baran Bridge on Mir Ali Road here opened barrage of fires with rockets and automatic weapons, wounding two police and FC men. Besides the 13 FC men, who were also stationed at this post, were later found missing along with their weapons. Sources told that fears of these security men kidnapped being expressed.
BANNU: Two policemen were injured in an attack on their post near here, while following the attack, 13 FC men were found missing, whose being kidnapped was feared.
Sources told that some unknown persons attacking a police post at Baran Bridge on Mir Ali Road here opened barrage of fires with rockets and automatic weapons, wounding two police and FC men. Besides the 13 FC men, who were also stationed at this post, were later found missing along with their weapons. Sources told that fears of these security men kidnapped being expressed.
#13 Posted by zeemax on September 12, 2007 3:00:53 am
The author's theory is full of holes. The only credible part is the prompting of Hariri and the Saudis by US to the extent of pursuading NS not to return and let the BB/musharraf deal go through, but other than that, the author appears of the camp about whom I had written on UP ... i.e. those who see a 'drama' in everything.
Lord Nazir has testified through an affidavit in SC that NS was manhandled by commandos in trying to get him to board. The fact that NS had refused to hand over his passport for stamping for entry has been acknowledged by the Minister of State for Interior in a press conference, which makes it criminal abduction rather than re-exile AFTER he entered the country, plus of-course contempt of SC. Further, investigative reports by Ansar Abbasi of Jang newspaper have stated today that NS was shown arrest warrants which he accepted, and put on board a regular PIA flight bound for Karachi via Quetta, thus conveying the impression he was being taken to Landhi jail. However the call sign of the flight was changed midway from domestic to international and the plane went to Jeddah instead.
All of the above point to a deceitful plan hatched by musharraf, after all else had failed, to re-deport NS at all costs and risking serious judicial confrontation, rather than a facade designed to placate party workers and save NS face hatched by US.
Lord Nazir has testified through an affidavit in SC that NS was manhandled by commandos in trying to get him to board. The fact that NS had refused to hand over his passport for stamping for entry has been acknowledged by the Minister of State for Interior in a press conference, which makes it criminal abduction rather than re-exile AFTER he entered the country, plus of-course contempt of SC. Further, investigative reports by Ansar Abbasi of Jang newspaper have stated today that NS was shown arrest warrants which he accepted, and put on board a regular PIA flight bound for Karachi via Quetta, thus conveying the impression he was being taken to Landhi jail. However the call sign of the flight was changed midway from domestic to international and the plane went to Jeddah instead.
All of the above point to a deceitful plan hatched by musharraf, after all else had failed, to re-deport NS at all costs and risking serious judicial confrontation, rather than a facade designed to placate party workers and save NS face hatched by US.
#14 Posted by sam67 on September 12, 2007 3:09:31 am
Re: # 10
As for the write up its not just a jest. its the harsh reality which as a writer I am supposed to do. yes i honour the views of others but thats not my concern because my job is to write whatever i could confirm and could gather from my sources and contacts.you ahev every right to make your own opinion and basically thats the best thing about chowk that we bring things here to discuss and carry on debates which can ultimately lead to our education and education of others. best of luck.
As for the write up its not just a jest. its the harsh reality which as a writer I am supposed to do. yes i honour the views of others but thats not my concern because my job is to write whatever i could confirm and could gather from my sources and contacts.you ahev every right to make your own opinion and basically thats the best thing about chowk that we bring things here to discuss and carry on debates which can ultimately lead to our education and education of others. best of luck.
#15 Posted by sam67 on September 12, 2007 3:16:01 am
Re: # 13
as i have said earlier that this write up has nothing in it but facts though they seem sometimes to some people as skecthy or imaginary but power corridors have nothing in them but theories, counter theories and then again counter theories. Thanks for acknowledging that Hariri and Saudis were prompted by US but you have to keep in mind that Nawaz Sharif was once given a lease of life by the same courts in 1993 when Ghulam Ishaq Khan sent him rolling on corruption charges and that was a landmark decision by the then judiciary but then everyone knows what followed Nawaz and Ishaq had to present their resignations to the army chief. this is just one example of how good our politicians are at making political decisions. but anyway this piece has nothing in it but the facts and as stated by highly placed sources within diplomatic community and bureaucracy who have been involved in this whole process one way or the other. rest is up to you and as i said earlier this is the best thing about chowk where we bring our stuff for discussion and its not necessary to agree but yes we can learn how to disagree for the sake of some agreement. regards
as i have said earlier that this write up has nothing in it but facts though they seem sometimes to some people as skecthy or imaginary but power corridors have nothing in them but theories, counter theories and then again counter theories. Thanks for acknowledging that Hariri and Saudis were prompted by US but you have to keep in mind that Nawaz Sharif was once given a lease of life by the same courts in 1993 when Ghulam Ishaq Khan sent him rolling on corruption charges and that was a landmark decision by the then judiciary but then everyone knows what followed Nawaz and Ishaq had to present their resignations to the army chief. this is just one example of how good our politicians are at making political decisions. but anyway this piece has nothing in it but the facts and as stated by highly placed sources within diplomatic community and bureaucracy who have been involved in this whole process one way or the other. rest is up to you and as i said earlier this is the best thing about chowk where we bring our stuff for discussion and its not necessary to agree but yes we can learn how to disagree for the sake of some agreement. regards
#16 Posted by muqaddam on September 12, 2007 3:17:01 am
Come on, Chowdhari, show the khaki clad scoundrel his place
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