The need for De-Bhuttofication of the Pakistan People's Party

What're all you people going on about Aitezaz? As long as BB is at the helm Aitezaz will just be a minion. And BB is the lifelong Chairman of the party in case you didn't know. He'll either have to leave or form his own faction or party.

One commentator today was saying Fatima Bhutto is the real ZAB heir, has the same ideology, and has a lot of support in Larkana ... BB is definitely on the way out and is cut off by the rest of the Bhutto clan, and none of her kids is upto the mark to carry the family.

This sounds credible.

#210

"The Aitzazification of the Pakistan People's Party":

Aitezaz Ahsan and Javed Hashmi would make much better leaders of their respective parties.

The Aitzazification of the Pakistan People's Party:

The deportation of Nawaz Sharif, he said, showed that Musharraf has run out of political options.

"He committed a crime under Pakistani law by abducting a man and moving him from point A to B against his will.

Musharraf's act was not simply a matter of contempt of the Supreme Court's ruling, which is punishable by six months of imprisonment; this was a criminal act punishable by a 10-year jail sentence with hard labour," he added.

"Sharif's party would proffer criminal charges against Musharraf at a local police station any day now," he said and expressed the confidence that he would be indicted when the case goes to the court.

He said he does not think that what future of Musharraf the Supreme Court would determine. "The matter has now gone into the public domain. People will react.

And what will the government do if Nawaz Sharif's wife gets onto a plane and heads for Pakistan? And if his son and daughter come the following week? Will the government keep doing the same thing?" he asked.

"This (deportation) could not have been done without Musharraf's complicity, just as the Chief Justice could not have been arrested (last March) without Musharraf having ordered it.

This case will chase him even in his days of exile outside Pakistan, and the Americans better know it," he said, adding Musharraf would not be in power for long.

"He is not as effective and all-powerful as he used to be.

Remember, Pakistan is not Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Morocco, Libya or Egypt.

It is a South Asian Muslim country where due process of law and an electoral mandate are crucial to the legitimacy of the government," he added.(DT)

Amen!

Tahmed:

I knew you indians would one day catch up with us Pakistanis and realize what a great man MAJ was.

Well. I thank Jinnah for his service to India. He is more like the character "Don Quixote". :-)

#192
"we should see 1 Indian muslim student for 35 pakistani students at York univ.
when you said 1 indian student for 25 pakistani students you were underestimating."

By your own admission, 15% of Indians are muslims. If India is as fair, secular and civilized as claimed (mostly by Indians, of course), then 15% of the Indian students at York U, roughly 100 out of 662, should be muslims. That is, a representative ratio of Pak to Indian muslim student at Yourk would be 5:1.

A more obvious approach is to consider that there are as many (perhaps more) muslims in India than there are in Pakistan. By that yardstick, there should be at least one Indian muslim student for every Pakistani student; i.e. the ratio should be 1:1.

Is it? And, if not, then why not?

Re: # 206 Tahmed:

That realization has been speeded up after interacting with folks like you..:)

masanamuthu #204 I knew you indians would one day catch up with us Pakistanis and realize what a great man MAJ was.
:-)

#196 SRK: Thanks for your response to the question, which (after checking literacy rates via google) I think is basically correct.

The saddest thing I once heard many years ago from an elderly gentleman who was what they used to call a "class IV staff" at an office in Pakistan was that he was illiterate and "feels like a blind man when he looks at the newspaper".

You got that dead right...Worse we could have been "them" as this report shows. MAJ thanks for your yeomen service to India and your fore-sight in removing the riff-raffs, rascals, and looters out of India..and to Pakistan where they are doing excellently well in what they know best...


Chennai:

Yes, Jinnah for his yeoman service to India should be awarded the "Bharat ratna". I think that explains the popularity of Jinnah in India, the 46% number quoted by folks here.. :-)

If you read the discussion both Mr.Mantolives and Mr.Masadi are arguing the same thing. Masadi was worried that the Muslim political power was split due to the follies of Jinnah and Mantolives argues that it was never Jinnah's intention in the first place. Both of them are right..

Thank Allah for the partition. :-)

Hijra Paaki,

Ur darling witch has an itch that India is not getting bad press:

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It may have a majority of Hindus, but then it has a majority of illiterates. Why wasn’t the report called, “How a literate billionaire thrives in illiterate India”?

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Ur brain is in ur knee-cap, Ch** HP?

#197 Posted by HP on September 17, 2007 8:46:29 pm

Hijra Paaki i.e HP,

If ur darling says that most of the Indians are illiterates then how the 39% constitute a majority in India?


U are too demented to understand any reasonable stuff. Gadha!

"ISLAMABAD: A Supreme Court (SC) bench, headed by Justice Rana Bhagwandas on Monday asked prominent constitutional expert Aitzaz Ahsan to continue being a “friend of the court” after government lawyer Ahmed Raza Kasuri raised objections in the apex court to Ahsan’s appointment with two other lawyers to assist the court.

A seven-member SC bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry had earlier rejected his objection but Kasuri raised the same objection before the nine-member bench on Monday. “His (Aitzaz’s) views against the president are publicly known to everyone. He will make a political statement and create a fuss.” Kasuri said in a loud, aggressive tone.

Aitzaz said that he was withdrawing himself as amicus curiae.

The bench rejected Kasuri’s demand and declared that Aitzaz’s withdrawal was NOT acceptable!!! (Irfan ghauri in Daily Times)

Holy cow! -- not a good prognosis for the 're-election' of a Nawaz-Shikan Nawab Musharraf as the president cum coass TWICE from the SAME rump NA! -- this decision is a a big shikan -- in the smooth plans of a not so smooth dictator -- status post Nawaz's kidnapping cum forced removal to foregn ountry.

A shining case of: the Dictator proposes and the Supreme Court Disposes -- finally the process of De-Musharrafication -- NOT De-Bhuttofication -- has begun.......

Dear Dullah,

"we should see 1 Indian muslim student for 35 pakistani students at York univ.
when you said 1 indian student for 25 pakistani students you were underestimating."

The 25 Pakistani students to one Indian Muslim student was out of personal experience. It might as well be a higher disparity. Now considering that both populations are about the same, this adequately drives my point home.


In any event... Pakistani students to Indians students is generally favorable when you consider even 1:7 population ratio given that the Pakistani to Indian ratio for students in US and Canada are 1:3 or atmost 1:4 and that too after the 9/11 terrorism scare.


Arjun/Harimau,

I chose York as an example because it publishes figures.

Now whether it was because of lax standards at York or whatever, the point was never capability but financial ability... which proves the original point I was making.

Ref nasah #198

That posting was not mine. I quoted from a blog called Drishtikone.

Even if I were the person asking the question "Why would an Indian Muslims NOT leave India for Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why would they want to stay in India?", that question would NEVER be directed at an Indian citizen; it would be a rhetorical question asked of Pakistani citizens who extol their country as the escape valve for Indian Muslims.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.

Re: # 195

"Why would an Indian Muslims NOT leave India for Pakistan or Bangladesh? Why would they want to stay in India? "(Harimau)

May be it is patriotism -- or may be because its just a choice between Teedledum and Tweedledee so why bother -- or may be it is like jumping from frying pan into a red hot charcoal grill -- but give him a visa to the USA or even to UK -- and both the patriotic Hindu and the unpatriotic Muslim bhaiyas will jump the Desi ship at the drop of their dhotis or pajamas -- and run for the airport -- any time of the day or the night .....:)

And for heavens sake Hari mian -- don't glorify the new "Kala Pani" for Pakistan's undesirables, the Saudi Arabia -- by comparing it to India