The need for De-Bhuttofication of the Pakistan People's Party

#221

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, dont't say it.

I am not acquaitnted with romair/bulleya, but the one thing shorn of intelligence is your piece of gem ...

oh ho, viqarm, that was not to be taken literarlly. Evidently, the number of romairs and bulleyas has been and is significantly large, large enough to be able to make a difference.

If it helps you feel better choosing Pakistani Hindus as benchmarks for Indian Hindus, please do go ahead. Despite the firm belief Romair will have that Pakistani Hindus are miles ahead, Indians of all sorts, except Farzana Versey, will laugh at you.

Which will again convince you you are right. It is an inescapable cycle.

#221

There is roughly the same size population of muslims in both countries. It would be normal to expect the same level of accomplishment, in numbers, most of all in academics.

What does 97% or 15% have to do with it?

In case your midget sized brain is having difficulty with it, the population ratio betwen Pakistan and India is roughly 1:7. One would, therefore expect about 7 Indian students for evey Pakistani student abroad.

Obviously 662 Indians to 488 Pakistanis (forget about muslims for the time being) is not a chest thumping achievement, is it?

The issue is the cultural genocide of muslims that India has been systematically carrying out for the last 6o years; that is is the real reason one finds for so few Indian muslim professionals abroad. But you wouldn't want that higlighted, would you?

Heck I can find 3 sikhs, or more, for every Indian muslim abroad; and sikhs are only 11% (may be less) of the Indian population. How do you explain such ridiculous discrepancies?

#226
Pakistani Hindus are doing fine, percentage-wise. I had at least 3 in my batch (roughly 160) at the engineering college. That is a normal ratio if one looks at their percentage population in Pakistan.

I have never held Pakistan as a model for rights of minorities. But minorities in Pakistan are much better off than the Indian muslim is in India.

Like I said, if you don't have anything whorthwhile to say ...

viqarm, you misunderstand. I am fully with you that Hindus in Pakistan have it made, or doing as well as Pakistani Muslims.

You just might find it a bit hard convincing many other Indians, except Farzana Versey and communists.

If your objective is confined to convincing me, you just succeeded.

ok, add my friend Stuka to the list. Haven't ribbed him in a while :)

Viqarm
forget these pongapundits, they have no idea how rich the sindhi hindus are, they dont even know that hindus form the majority in certain areas of Sindh.

They will hide from u that the muslims are only 2% of their govt. and army while being 14% of the pop. while Sikhs whom they encourage for recruitment are over 10% of their army with 2% of the population. Muslims they dont recruit even as constables even if they come to recruitment centers

These are a shameless people who keep touting a man as muslim who wants to hide his identity, he has started snapping at reporters and other who describe him as muslim, you can imagine his fear when he doesnt even grant holidays on eid in his own firm. such is the stupidity of hindus that they want to project him as a representative of muslims, when he himself from his behaviour reveals that he has suceedded by hiding his identity.

What can u say about a people that hold a man as the ideal of secularism who supported the caste system opposed interdining and intermarraiage with muslims and lower castes and supported shuddhi / conversions of poor muslims by Arya Samaj as justified

array bhai borivili,

I left liberalism precisely because I fully supported things like shuddhi movement, and couldn't figure out what on God's earth made the borivillis of this world so upset.

I do not support equality and justice etc, and am doing the best I can to show to blind Hindus that they are chasing the unchaseable. A borivilli will always be a borivilli, never anything less, never anything more.

Hope you agree.

And yes, I fully agree that Sindhi Hindus are very rich, and don't personally find that, or the good luck of the Haris, of much interest.

But I am not a borivilli. Perhaps my secular Hindu friends understand you better.

At UIUC, among the best large engineering schools in the country, here is faculty list in a few fields:

Department of Computer Science:

Indian/Indian origin:
Sarita Adve
Vikram Adve
Narendra Ahuja
Chandra Chekuri
Indranil Gupta
Anil Hirani
Ravi K. Iyer
Laxmikant Kale
P.R. Kumar
Natasha Neogi
Madhusudan Parthasarathy
Janak H. Patel
Manoj Prabhakaran
Saurabh Sinha
Umesh Thakkar
Nitin Vaidya
Pravin Vaidya
Mahesh Viswanathan

Pakistani/Pakistani origin:
Gul Agha

Electrical and Computer Engineering:

Indian/Indian origin:
Ahuja, Narendra
Iyer, Ravishankar K
Jain, Kanti
Kumar, P R
Kumar, Rakesh
Patel, Janak H
Patel, Sanjay Jeram
Naresh R. Shanbhag
Srikant, Rayadurgam
Vaidya, Nitin H
Viswanath, Pramod
Veeravalli, Venugopal V.

Pakistani/Pakistani origin:
Nil

Mechanical Science and Engineering:

Indian/Indian origin:
Narayana R. Aluru
Placid M. Ferreira
Shiv Gopal Kapoor
Prashant G. Mehta
Srinivasa M. Salapaka
S. Pratap Vanka

Pakistani/Pakistani origin:
Nil

Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering:

Indian/Indian origin:
nil

Pakistani/Pakistani origin:
nil

Civil and Environmental:

Indian/Indian origin:
KUMAR, Praveen
SIVAPALAN, Murugesu

Pakistani/Pakistani origin:
Arif Masud

Hey,

I saw BB interview on "Seedhi Baat" TV program.
She said that only those who support the political BUSINESS of opening and running madarassas in order to gain some political power oppose her amongst moderates.

She said some thing to the effect about ending the business of terror in Pakistan...

this is a great news for idolators like me who are the logical victims of Islam's terrorism.

All idolators support her for this statement......

Can they vote for their prime minister? Can they be precedents, chief Justice, Can they fight for their country, be the head of any military wing?

The question is whether hindu's in Pakistan have a voice. They could be model minority but can they truly express their feelings without fear of repercussions. Show me Farzanas of Pakistan.

Re: # 235

abey teri beeti utha li jaegi......and then suddenly you would find a signed affidavit from your own daughter that states that she finds it difficult to live with you or consider you as a parent because you are an idolator..and that she has accepted the "TRUTH" of the imaginary moon god and that she has nothing to do with you......

this is the reality of a "free" idolator in Pakistan......

bongdongs! You just helped me locate a long lost close friend, a bunch of people I know, and a wingmate.

#235
The next line to be Chief Justice is Rana Bhagwandas.

As for being able to be "precedent" they have to be able to spell President ...

Cobra, laddu, we need a theory of blaming, complaining, and evil making. People have assiduously honed the art. Take this accomplishment away and everything will fall apart.

Viq, so tell me, can they be President? Can Hindus truly express their opinions in Pakistan like Farzana does it here?