Ali Kamran September 17, 2007
#1 Posted by b_banth on October 9, 2007 10:23:41 am
The Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
#2 Posted by Jugni on October 9, 2007 10:30:31 am
UN puts the number of infected Pakistanis at around 100,000, but that number are underreported due to unavailability of data from remote regions. Majority of HIV +ve are drug users in Karachi contracting the virus by sharing needles. There are only a handful of organizations (NACP the only state run) that are active in outreach and education about AIDS, a lot more needs to be done – primarily, AIDS awareness at a very early level (Middle and High School level) as well as at religious centers, such as Mosques, should be a venue to educate general public about this virus. Electronic media should take a more active and aggressive role in spreading the word.
Ali, when a young person is helpless and hopeless and the society shuns him like a used napkin, that tells a lot about that society. That society has no shame or honor! Sorry for your loss.
Ali, when a young person is helpless and hopeless and the society shuns him like a used napkin, that tells a lot about that society. That society has no shame or honor! Sorry for your loss.
#3 Posted by hamidm2 on October 9, 2007 11:01:27 am
maybe fawad and, more importantly, his 'friends and family', should have heard magic johnson
..... earlier this year magic johnson was the keynot speaker at our annual sales conference - he charges over $75,000 for a one hour speech and it is well worth it! ...... the man was awe inspiring ..... diagnosed with hiv in 1991 he went on to play in the olympics and founded a business empire that empire which employs over 25,000 employees ...... he is also a philathrophist and runs the magic johnson foundation ......... inspite of being hiv positive the man has led a more meaningful life than most of us ...........
#4 Posted by chaltahai on October 9, 2007 11:21:29 am
Yes hamid, most AIDS victims are 6'9" tall, can play all five positions on the bball court and made the living at tossing no look passes to James worthy on fast breaks.
#6 Posted by khurram on October 9, 2007 12:49:23 pm
Has anyone heard of Peter Duesberg?
http://www.duesberg.com/
He makes a pretty persuasive scientific case that HIV is harmless and does not cause AIDS.
http://www.duesberg.com/
He makes a pretty persuasive scientific case that HIV is harmless and does not cause AIDS.
#7 Posted by ejazharoon on October 9, 2007 5:06:41 pm
Re: # 6
That's the same argument that certain African politicians have made, some of them even stopped importing retroviral drugs based on that belief. What do they care? Its ordinary people who die for lack of proper retroviral medication.
That's the same argument that certain African politicians have made, some of them even stopped importing retroviral drugs based on that belief. What do they care? Its ordinary people who die for lack of proper retroviral medication.
#8 Posted by hamidm2 on October 9, 2007 6:24:31 pm
Re: # 4
chalta,
owining 150 starbucks franchises (actually he is the only franchisee), running movie theaters and a major non-profit organization has nothing to do with being 6' 9" and shooting hoops ...... it is all about character, attitude and support from those who claim to be 'friends and family' ......... his teammates hugged him on the court - sweat and all - and his fans cheered him on .... that's what made him what he is today ...... it is all about the human spirit which is very fragile, but which can overcome any adversity ... with the new drugs, hiv/aids is almost a chronic disease that can be controlled if there is the will to live and you don't have a-holes for 'family and friends '.........
p.s. i think his family and friends killed him, not hiv
chalta,
owining 150 starbucks franchises (actually he is the only franchisee), running movie theaters and a major non-profit organization has nothing to do with being 6' 9" and shooting hoops ...... it is all about character, attitude and support from those who claim to be 'friends and family' ......... his teammates hugged him on the court - sweat and all - and his fans cheered him on .... that's what made him what he is today ...... it is all about the human spirit which is very fragile, but which can overcome any adversity ... with the new drugs, hiv/aids is almost a chronic disease that can be controlled if there is the will to live and you don't have a-holes for 'family and friends '.........
p.s. i think his family and friends killed him, not hiv
#9 Posted by Rukhsana-shama on October 10, 2007 3:34:16 am
after reading this i really felt disgusted by our society and by our attitudes as a human being towards the others...we as a society are too very prejudiced, extremely narrow minded, sometimes it seems as if we are a nation of idiot heartlesss individuals...
#11 Posted by khakiflash on October 10, 2007 6:31:05 am
Desperately tragic story. I myself have lost several friends over the years through AIDS. Some told me that if it got too bad for them they would also kill themselves before they deteriorated still further, but when it came to it none of them did. At least all of them had the support of their family, though in a few cases it was only tacit rather than overtly demonstrative. But in the particular case you tell it is the all-too frequent tale of a vulnerable and helpless person being denied the very support from the people who can most provide it. Shame on society i.e. all of us. May he now rest in peace.
Khaki
Khaki
#12 Posted by ZINA on October 10, 2007 3:51:42 pm
'let he without sin cast the first stone'
Ignorance still remains incurable it seems. People are very quick to pass shallow judgements that inflict greater suffering than physical illness. What is very disheartening is that the very people who are endowed with the responsibility to heal and nurture as part of a health care system, they are not capable of treating patients with absolute sensitivity and confidentiality. Instead of assisting in recovery and giving hope as they are meant to, destroy the spirit of a young boy by isolating him casting stones of contempt as though sinless. Educating the masses and providing the support to patients, families and relatives in coping with the disease is necessary, especially because this is a world wide problem.
In the slums of Africa, millions lie left to die with their bodies under attack, abandoned by the rest of humanity. For those who feel entitled in ostracising others based on their narrow thinking do not stop to think that the sick and the poor and the needy are a test on humanity, a test to awaken the love, compassion, hope and life within the human spirit. Alas failing... they do not realise they are the dirt of society, the rotten murderers.
Ignorance still remains incurable it seems. People are very quick to pass shallow judgements that inflict greater suffering than physical illness. What is very disheartening is that the very people who are endowed with the responsibility to heal and nurture as part of a health care system, they are not capable of treating patients with absolute sensitivity and confidentiality. Instead of assisting in recovery and giving hope as they are meant to, destroy the spirit of a young boy by isolating him casting stones of contempt as though sinless. Educating the masses and providing the support to patients, families and relatives in coping with the disease is necessary, especially because this is a world wide problem.
In the slums of Africa, millions lie left to die with their bodies under attack, abandoned by the rest of humanity. For those who feel entitled in ostracising others based on their narrow thinking do not stop to think that the sick and the poor and the needy are a test on humanity, a test to awaken the love, compassion, hope and life within the human spirit. Alas failing... they do not realise they are the dirt of society, the rotten murderers.
#13 Posted by khurram on October 10, 2007 5:10:16 pm
Re: hamidm2
"hiv/aids is almost a chronic disease"
Of course, you mean that HIV can be controlled with drugs and the person never develops AIDS. Magic Johnson has never had AIDS, only HIV. Retroviral drugs don't cure or control AIDS - only the HIV level.
What 'AIDS dissident' scientists like Duesberg are saying is that people with HIV are no more likely to develop AIDS than people without HIV. Heavy use of hard drugs is a more reliable predictor of AIDS (i.e. the weakening of the immune system).
Most of the early deaths of non-drug users attributed to AIDS were actually caused by AZT. It is an extremely toxic drug that can kill. Magic Johnson himself recovered his health once he stopped using AZT.
Famous AIDS victims like Arthur Ashe, Kimberly Bergalis etc all died of AZT. Now that people have moved on to less toxic drugs, death rates have plummeted.
"hiv/aids is almost a chronic disease"
Of course, you mean that HIV can be controlled with drugs and the person never develops AIDS. Magic Johnson has never had AIDS, only HIV. Retroviral drugs don't cure or control AIDS - only the HIV level.
What 'AIDS dissident' scientists like Duesberg are saying is that people with HIV are no more likely to develop AIDS than people without HIV. Heavy use of hard drugs is a more reliable predictor of AIDS (i.e. the weakening of the immune system).
Most of the early deaths of non-drug users attributed to AIDS were actually caused by AZT. It is an extremely toxic drug that can kill. Magic Johnson himself recovered his health once he stopped using AZT.
Famous AIDS victims like Arthur Ashe, Kimberly Bergalis etc all died of AZT. Now that people have moved on to less toxic drugs, death rates have plummeted.
#14 Posted by khurram on October 10, 2007 5:18:07 pm
Re #6 ejazharoon,
African leaders like Mbeki didn't come up with these arguments on their own. They have been paying attention to the dissident AIDS scientific community in the West.
AIDS in Africa is a completely different phenomenon than in the West. In Africa, malnutrition and poor hygiene make people vulnerable to repeated infections that destroys their immune system. HIV testing is very sloppy. Linking these deaths to HIV is more of an assumption than anything else. Mbeki is right in focusing on improving nutrition and hygiene (e.g. clean drinking water) rather than expensive retro-viral drugs.
African leaders like Mbeki didn't come up with these arguments on their own. They have been paying attention to the dissident AIDS scientific community in the West.
AIDS in Africa is a completely different phenomenon than in the West. In Africa, malnutrition and poor hygiene make people vulnerable to repeated infections that destroys their immune system. HIV testing is very sloppy. Linking these deaths to HIV is more of an assumption than anything else. Mbeki is right in focusing on improving nutrition and hygiene (e.g. clean drinking water) rather than expensive retro-viral drugs.
#15 Posted by khurram on October 10, 2007 5:19:02 pm
Also see,
http://www.aliveandwell.org
http://www.virusmyth.net
http://www.aliveandwell.org
http://www.virusmyth.net
#16 Posted by RMor on October 11, 2007 3:27:45 pm
Sorry to hear the chap committed suicide. No one, well or ill, should have to resort to that option.
However, that being said, I personally would not like to be in the vicinity if an HIV infected person, regardless of how they came about it. Gays should be stoned - but that's just me.
The really pitiful thing is these people go around giving it to their legitimate innocent spouses who end up having HIV infected BABIES. THAT is shameful. Children should not have to suffer for the sins of their parent(s). And also, a lot of these people sell/donate their blood, which if not properly tested, is passed on to unsuspecting victims in need of transfusions.
If you slept with someone out of marriage and got infected, shame on you. NOT on society. You "play the game", learn to take the blame.
However, that being said, I personally would not like to be in the vicinity if an HIV infected person, regardless of how they came about it. Gays should be stoned - but that's just me.
The really pitiful thing is these people go around giving it to their legitimate innocent spouses who end up having HIV infected BABIES. THAT is shameful. Children should not have to suffer for the sins of their parent(s). And also, a lot of these people sell/donate their blood, which if not properly tested, is passed on to unsuspecting victims in need of transfusions.
If you slept with someone out of marriage and got infected, shame on you. NOT on society. You "play the game", learn to take the blame.
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