Democracy, not terror, is the engine of political Islam

Per the book converting from islam to another religion is death, the final proof of teh islamic belief that there is only one god, the islamic god.

Mosques in India does not allow non-muslims to come into mosque during prayers. Churches/Temples do allow other religion people as long as they follow christian way during that period. So those who are talking about restricting people based on caste etc., have to think about what Islam is doing differently. Untouchability is universal in ALL religion. No Religion does actually allow for discrimination. Its the people who interpret/incite these.

Re: # 221

Even the Jews, Christians, Hindu-Advaitin, Hindu-Vaishnava, Hindu-Dvaitin, Hindu-Shaiva, Hindu-Shakta, Animists and Greek Pagans have this concept of ONE Deity that is considered as the cause of the world. Occam's Razor DOES not imply or prove 'reality' of the one entity that is left after applying it . Infact, this obsession with occam's razor is what causes muslims to behead the idolators and is the root of violence in Islam. An idolator's metaphysical entities are as real or false as Islam's one God and his countless djinns and angels.

The fact remains that the metaphysics of One God essentially carries a hierarachy of other un-provable and false entities like Satan, Jinns, Houries, Angels, 8 heavens , many hells , Angels from hell and countless of the souls.
They are NO more 'real' than the deities like hindu Yama-raj that control and supervise the activities of the metaphysical worlds and its entities inhibiting the nether worlds that are also present in most of the theologies - whether Hindu, Jewish, Chinese or Christian.

To think that the Islamic metaphysical entities are MORE real than the Hindu or Christian nether worlds is plain nonsense and at best a propaganda. To call other's metaphysics as MYTH and Islamic metaphysics as REAL - is plain intellectual hypocrisy that abounds in muslim psyche.

Re: # 206

"Forward looking Muslims don’t disavow God but continue to believe in the oneness of God with all fundamental tenets of Islam. The theological system remains the same."

This is plain rot.

Can you de-Arabinize Islam?
Can you stop reading Quran in Arabic?
Can you stop praying fcing towards mecca and do it towards the statute of liberty?
Can you reject Shariah which is essentially bedoiun culture ?
Can you let women go out without veil and make men wear those shuttlecocks?

This thing about "forward looking muslim" is just a myth- it is at best a taquiyya- it is the rsult of confused thinking of those brought up on a peace loving Mohammad when the reality was completely converse to that!!

I totally disagree that its only Islam that is about oneness of god. It has been inherent in Hindu relegion that there is only ONE god. Since there is only one supreme power, the so called Satan is UNDER this God's control. With that in mind think about the existense of Satan and the intent of God.

Re: # 206

Agreed that forward looking pagans have nothing in common with forward looking muslims or with backward looking muslims.

Refer to post #201: For a rational thinking muslims (an oxymoron?!) using the faculty of his mind can he disavow any one of the five pillars of Islam?

Tahmed #217 {"...I must be writing something true ..."}

Just like the old rooster who continues to crow with all his might because he is convinced that he makes the sun rise. LOL.

echoboom/salimchauhan#211 you are entitled to make up facts. you are also entitled to express them in your own filthy ways.

with jay thakeray (who comes to demonize muslims on chowk), echoboom (who comes to prove he is something on chowk), and salimchauhan( who comes to ridicule whoever he thinks he can get away with - senile old men, females) all fired up...I must be writing something true. Because truth hurts, not lies.

Echo Bhai #215,
The arrogance of Pakistani hypocrites, working against the very interests of Pakistan, is more pernicious than any malicious act by our enemas.

salim:214
What you consider peeing on them, they enjoy it as golden-showers....the damn Perverts!

#213 Echo Bhai,
Without a doubt, I agree with your position regarding the purple paint on the putrid posteriors of the pusillanimous pretenders playing their perfidy against Pakistan.

Salim:211

Thee should never be any let-up or respite in exposing the laal laal orange orange posteriors of the two ChootarRooooons* of CHOWK.

*in their gora-maaster lingo they are called assholes which they always take as a compliment..here it is NOT a compliment..in case the ChootarRooooons start getting ideas.

harish_hyd #203 {"This is what I find most irritating about you. ..at every other place and especially pertaining to Indians and Hindus and even Muslims, you jump in quickly to label them. Perhaps Salim bhai is right about you. "}

Dear Harry,
Believe me, my friend, it was not easy to recognize, identify, and take on this Paki pretender as a genuine, equal opportunity racist bigot. His lack of compassion, his blatant hypocrisy, and his thinly-disguised bias all work in unison to expose him to BOTH Indians and Pakistanis, Hindus and Muslims. The man is the work of the devil - nothing less.

jayp #205 {"Other than calling people names, tahmed has not contributed anything to discussions on chowk. The man has no views on anything, other than condemning people. All his posts are personal attacks on some one or the other."}

Jayp,
Please allow me to disagree with you slightly. This hypocrite has contributed to the further dismantling of Pakistan by fanning the flames of racial bigotry, provincialism, and displaying a thoroughly anti-Mohajir stance. He alone personifies the callous rejection of repatriation for the hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis "stranded" in Bangladesh.

For all his efforts AGAINST the true interests of Pakistan, this senile old hate-monger deserves to have his posterior painted orange.

zahid, thanks! That is a good explanation. Let me see if I can summarize it without distorting it.

Conservative (with its extreme of regressive) vs progressive (with its extreme of lunatic/delusional) may be one of the fundamental operative divides of (wo)mankind.

Since both Muslim conservatives (and regressives) and Muslim progressives (and lunatic/delusional) remain unquestionably Muslim (knowingly or not), the divide enters the otherwise well-knit world of Islam too.

If that is a fair representation, we may consider a tiny wrinkle to build on this view. Given that Islam provides a powerful, all-encompassing worldview toward the creation of an exalted society, the progressive (lunatic/delusional) - conservative (regressive) divide may be unfolding somewhat differently within the world of Islam than in the pagan world. That is, there may be an interactive effect between religious views and group dynamics. (to speculate even further - we may find a little sharpening of the edges).

Paki cricket captain said how he had support of ALL muslims and he expressed regret to ALL muslim that he lost the final... :)...

Even at the highest level, pakis can't think beyond their bedouin-ness... unbelievable...