Democracy, not terror, is the engine of political Islam

Ranjit: a merger, with ben laden as the khalifa. i am sure they would agree to that.

William Dalrymple,
A very timely and pertinent article. I may not agree with you about the prospect for an orderly, democratic, and Islamic transition in all places, but the prospect of the "liberal, authoritarian" dicatorships and monarchies being demolished en masse is entirely welcome. Thanks.

Tahmed #31 {"There is a real danger to civilized society in any country no doubt from the superstition, chauvinism, irrationality and simple stupidity that passes for religion in the minds of the extremists. "}

Tahmed Sahib,
Please stop your nonsensical and hypocritical pontifications. You are so full of hot air that one could easily suspect you of being flatulent. In light of the recent announcement that Bangladesh is going to grant citizenship to hundreds of thousands of "stranded Pakis," your chicken little concern over "superstition, chauvinism, irrationality and simple stupidity" sounds very hollow. We all know that, at least on Chowk, you were at the forefront of denying any repatriation to these long-suggering human beings. You are a racist, a bigot, and a charlatan. You seem to waive the largest Paki flag and are obviously the most prominent traitor to both Islam and Pakistan. May the jihadists eliminate you and your type. Ameen.

As I have been saying for a while now, this viscious cycle that the US elite have invented and set in circulation, is self sustaining. By giving some rag tags major enemy status, making those that are victims of this 'war on terror' and its obvious injustices, come together in opposition, and then line up behind the US designated "major enemy", will mainstream what was before on the fringes in our society. It is a cat and mouse game in which the higher barbarians (the US elite) drive the reactions of the lower barbarians (the Jihadists) which fuels the machinery of this machine that drives the US permanent war economy. Not only this, there is a move towards conservatism on the 'other side' as well, and just because the war on Iraq has gone sour which has undone some of that in the US, a temporary phenomena in this cycle (remember never did the US public become pro-communist even when some wars were unpopular) the US elite know full well how to push the right buttons to cause a similar swing with another well advertised attack on the home land. Now the particular situations might be dissimilar in the various Muslim countries as they have been for periods even before this new 'farce" WOT, this WOT has by its nature given momentum to forces that traditionally have been used by those that want to maintain the status quo and prevent change.

The lower barbarians dance to the tunes of the higher barbarians, the lower barbarians eventually become mainstream across geographical boundaries, while the people get ground to the bone. Manipulating the psyche of the masses in this manner and then calling it "democracy"- whether at home or abroad is pure BS spouted by someone who is quite ignorant of how the current World System operates, locally and internationally.

#32 Posted by Ranjit

Yaar Ranjit,

I did not say that. tahmed sahib thought that I said it. But I did mean that Indians should be prepared to see a disgusting war between the fundamentalists. Especially, if one is not a fundamentalist then he/she: (1) Should not be caught by surprise; (2) Know what to do in such a situation and not whine or moralize.

Regards.

{"But I did mean that Indians should be prepared to see a disgusting war between the fundamentalists"}

GT Sahib,
For too long, the powerful status quo seeking robber barons have been playing the "terrorist" and "fundo" card to maintain their illegitimate positions. Mushy, Bushy, Soodi, Mubarak, and others have milked this cow dry.

While I have no desire to see the Moolas prevail, I do have a conscience and a memory. Didn't the same hypocritical robber barons create the fundos to defeat the commies, who just happened to be a bigger threat at that time? I guess it is simplay a matter of "la bete noire de jour." :)

Re: # 27
Chowk Staff,

I am wondering why you are filtering Arjun's posts? Yes, it was long and yes he was being his usual self, but was he factually incorrect? Or is it because Mohammed Gill is the editor and does not like facts!?!

#39 Posted by giani_240

Facts or not, someone (the editor?) did not like what arjun said. Why would that be Gill sahib?

Re: # 40

I thought that the buck stopped with the Editor. He is in-charge or am I mistaken.

Does it mean that if I do not like your post I can filter it out ?

I believe in free expression be it Arjun or Zeemax!!!!

#41 Posted by giani_240:

"Does it mean that if I do not like your post I can filter it out ?"

No, because you are not the chosen one :-)

I have this feeling in my gut that arjun's post was hastily removed and the person who did so is now repenting a bit.

No more on the subject.

dear chowk staff please reinstate arjun ASAP. Being daily reminded of how hateful some mal-odorous toilet sweepers of Indian origin are maybe unpleasant ...but it is also reality testing.

Is he inevitable for a senseful discussion?

Dear Clif,

I hope you are not one of them

regards

khuda ka khauf karo gialay 420

"Is he inevitable for a senseful discussion?"

Should only the 'senseful' participate in a discussion?

Clifon,

The mal-odor comes from the Indian origin or toilet sweeping (thinking ikaan).

:)
GT
unclear from his posts ...if there had been another participant as stinky we could have generalized :)