Farewell to Shimla

the congress didnt agree just like that, the british threatened them with just withdrawing without passing on sovereignty to anyone i.e. the states would be frre to go their way it was a threat of Plan Balkan

u let us use them, before the 80s we couldnt even when we wanted to, dont blame neighbours for ur marital/domestic problems

Manto,

Either Mr. Jinnah was so stupid (which everyone seems to agree was not the case) or he was so desperate that he was willing to go to any extremes, offer any sacrifice, consider any fate, just to get a "moth-eaten" Pakistan. When offered choices we don't like or drugs we shouldn't want, we are taught to just say NO.

I have more respect for Nehru, Patel, and the Congress in steering the ship of Indian independence so capably that they attained for their constituents much much more than what the British would have ever given them. (T) Conceding partition of India only after agreeing to a partition of Bengal, Punjab, and Assam (without even discussing the partition of UP, CP, Bihar, or Kerala) was a clever and brilliant move. This is the point where Jinnah and AIML should have said NO.

Kashmir is the legacy of history but Gujarat is the legacy of Jinnah and his politics.

We still live with Jinnah's AIDS in India.

be,

When didnt Pakistan use IMs for its benefit. Jinnah used them all through & as a leagacy u guys want to use them.

Reality is u never stopped using them.

you can try your luck but do keep spanking/slapping your wife (kashmir, gujrat) etc it only increases our pleasure. we have and still are enjoying ourselves,)

Manto #326 {"Please be honest and see I did not raise the issue of UP, Kerala. "}

Manto,
I was not being dishonest. I do agree with you that you raised UP, Kerala as points in an argument to show the fallacy in Congress TNT position. Mind you, Jinnah NEVER exploited this point and once again I hold him to be a stupid and easily intimidated leader. I am also sincere when I accuse the Pisser-e-Zameen (Sons of the Soil) in Pakistan for not really caring about Kerala, UP, or Bihari Muslims - whether Indian or Pakistani.

I love the way you deftly circumvented the whole "stranded Pakis in BD" point I raised. You are a real lawyer sir. :)

kandivili,

She is not our wife, he is a brat, and the only way
he learns is hard way, and is learning after some
thappads.

And after liberating Bengalis, Indians are slowly
gazing towards west and see so many opportunities,
so many people need to be liberated, just like
Bengalis, Baluchis, Mohajirs, Ahmadiyas, Pakhtuns.
OK, time to get to work on all these.

ZK #287 {"my name not being mentioned by either you or IB as a fellow traveler (angry icon) and all I can think of is what Salim is angry about is... and there you said it yourself: "We are left with being unpopular, disdained, and unrewarded."

and ZK #309 {".thus acknowledging how you always condemn the massacre of the defenceless. You are a good man Salim.
...I am sure we will meet on one of our 'travels'. Till then I wish you Peace"}

ZK Sahiba,
Thank you for your posts and I sincerely apologize for both IB and myself not jumping at the chance of including you in our fellow travelers' caravan. Noting from your posts, I would love to share the dusty road with you and other fine people. Hope to "see" you again.

But MB wasnt the brightest bulb in town, honestly said Jinnah wasnt very intellectual either but he was a sharp lawyer

though he was cornered in the end by the british

he is supposed to have said to his doctor teating him in the end some baksh that it was a his biggest mistake (partition)

Re: # 321

Dear Salim,

Please be honest and see I did not raise the issue of UP, Kerala.

I merely pointed out the logical extension of what Congress' cynical use of the Two Nation Theory entailed... as opposed to Muslim League's TNT which sought to reconstitute provinces in a new federation.

Facts do speak louder than "creative" arguments. I hope you would understand that.

{"by the way the inide scoop on mountbaten is that he was gay, and edwina had a string of affairs with men before nehru, thats why MB turned a blind eye"}

Borivilli,
I have heard that too. It is said the Edwina went for black men and had several such lovers in the hot Carribean area and in America in earlier times. Now that is an awful truth for a Brahmin lover boy like Pandit Nehru. :)

shitapa u were the one who was boasting of slapping ur wife, we are only "helping" her when she came looking for a shoulder to cry on.

by the way the inide scoop on mountbaten is that he was gay, and edwina had a string of affairs with men before nehru, thats why MB turned a blind eye.

Kandivili,

bring it on. I am sure you will be sitting somewhere
in the nice corner of a nice house and cheering
some hapless lads, brainwashing them to accomplish
your wet dreams.

Manto Payee,
You raised the issue of parts of UP or Kerala being included in Pakistan. While it is a good argument on your part, what is missing (a la Tahmed Butteeswi) is any element of sincerity. Someone accused your position of being pro-land and not pro-people - regardless of faith. Unfortunately, I happen to agree with this negative remark. You can't be for TNT, you can't be for Muslims in Kerala, UP, or Bihar and then turn your back on the repatriation of 300,000 "stranded Pakis" in Bangladesh. Similarly, I think that the only reason, Pakis raise the Kashmir issue is that the source of much of our water is there. It has nothing to do with poor suffering Muslims occupied by Indian troops. Sorry, but the facts speak much louder than your effective and creative arguments.