Ras Siddiqui September 27, 2007
#10 Posted by tahmed32 on October 1, 2007 4:33:34 am
aslam #8 That is inspiring indeed!! And you are absolutely right about not stereotyping, since in reality there are all types of people in every community - entrepreneurial as well as stuck-in-the-rut.
However, please note that my example were people whom madani sahib was presenting as being the "vanguard". That is, individuals who live in UK, but refuse to learn anything from the experience or to change anything. To launch an airline, you obviously need to have learnt a lot not just in a technical sense, but also in a cultural sense on customer service practices, staff relations, marketing, and so on. In other words, become assimilated and a positive part of the culture you have chosen to move to.
However, please note that my example were people whom madani sahib was presenting as being the "vanguard". That is, individuals who live in UK, but refuse to learn anything from the experience or to change anything. To launch an airline, you obviously need to have learnt a lot not just in a technical sense, but also in a cultural sense on customer service practices, staff relations, marketing, and so on. In other words, become assimilated and a positive part of the culture you have chosen to move to.
#9 Posted by jayp on October 1, 2007 3:20:40 am
The only relevance to pakistan.
An american portraying some one as a true green pakistani, and doing all harami things...well the only relevant question for you pakis is ..will there be a fatwa on the director???
Salamn rudhdie to some littele known carttonist in island have been honoured by fatwa from the paki jihadic scholars.
So my dear pakistanis, who will cast the first fatwa...the burkha mullah, or the hijack mulla asghar...or will it be tahmed?
An american portraying some one as a true green pakistani, and doing all harami things...well the only relevant question for you pakis is ..will there be a fatwa on the director???
Salamn rudhdie to some littele known carttonist in island have been honoured by fatwa from the paki jihadic scholars.
So my dear pakistanis, who will cast the first fatwa...the burkha mullah, or the hijack mulla asghar...or will it be tahmed?
#8 Posted by aslam644 on October 1, 2007 12:26:46 am
Re: # 5
Tahmed
There you go again with your stereotypes. Here is an inspirational story I personally know the family, this guy’s dad came from Mirpur in the 1950’s to work in the steel mill in Sheffield. This guy is only educated to secondary level did various jobs in factories, he then set up a furniture import business and now he has set up an airline with flights to Islamabad.
http://www.ukinternationalairlines.com/default.asp
Tahmed
There you go again with your stereotypes. Here is an inspirational story I personally know the family, this guy’s dad came from Mirpur in the 1950’s to work in the steel mill in Sheffield. This guy is only educated to secondary level did various jobs in factories, he then set up a furniture import business and now he has set up an airline with flights to Islamabad.
http://www.ukinternationalairlines.com/default.asp
#7 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 30, 2007 9:16:51 pm
Re: # 3 I will comment about that when nice mood. I do not like too intelligent people who remember some old things even I do remember. That may be written as misguided youth of yester years. But color is very
not important but VVvIP. later about that.
not important but VVvIP. later about that.
#6 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 30, 2007 9:08:30 pm
Re: # 4 Mr. Arjun... I blame weak wanabis who want to be white when they have dark colored and have cream complexion obsession. I have crticised pakistani expaks.
You need to use good glasses from USA, pay good money in dollars there than expakis coming here to fix teaths, eyes, fixing baby fetuses and drinking beeer claiming water is bad in Karachi and raising prices for local people. I did just usa elits peripherialy, tamgent. You need pay real dollars and buy good glasses. You need glasses which can change you mood and find some positive in Pakistan.
You need to use good glasses from USA, pay good money in dollars there than expakis coming here to fix teaths, eyes, fixing baby fetuses and drinking beeer claiming water is bad in Karachi and raising prices for local people. I did just usa elits peripherialy, tamgent. You need pay real dollars and buy good glasses. You need glasses which can change you mood and find some positive in Pakistan.
#5 Posted by tahmed32 on September 30, 2007 8:09:11 pm
ahmedmadani: I have seen those Bradford residents get into PIA planes from UK to Pakistan, and if they are your idea of the Pakistan identity, then God help Pakistan. They get into planes in "fancy", totally impractical clothes (ill-fitting 3 piece suits for men, and women dressed up with full make up and jewelry as if they were a tazia). Once I saw two of these "vanguard" women of yours get into a fight with two of these "vanguard" men sitting behind them, loudly claiming that the "vanguard" men had been doing some mischief. To which the "vanguard" man shouted "oye you shut up!!"
Please spare us such "vanguards". Just pray that in 10 generations they evolve into human beings.
Please spare us such "vanguards". Just pray that in 10 generations they evolve into human beings.
#4 Posted by arjun3 on September 30, 2007 8:00:55 pm
#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 30, 2007 6:10:37 pm
This assimilation is not good to pakistani idendity.
First dibs on blaming this on the US elites(TM)..
This assimilation is not good to pakistani idendity.
First dibs on blaming this on the US elites(TM)..
#3 Posted by hamidm2 on September 30, 2007 6:40:38 pm
Re: # 2
ahmedmadani sahib,
..... if i remember correctly, at one time you had advocated marrying white women so that we could have 'milk white' children ..... and i, along with many other 'wheatish' people had agreed ..... have you given up on that position ?
...... anyway, i don't think the elites of the west stand much of a chance in 'deislamising' young believers - the disease is incurable in most cases ........masadi is a prime example - even after spending a decade in the west he returned home without learning the art of personal grooming ........ in any case, i do feel your pain :)
ahmedmadani sahib,
..... if i remember correctly, at one time you had advocated marrying white women so that we could have 'milk white' children ..... and i, along with many other 'wheatish' people had agreed ..... have you given up on that position ?
...... anyway, i don't think the elites of the west stand much of a chance in 'deislamising' young believers - the disease is incurable in most cases ........masadi is a prime example - even after spending a decade in the west he returned home without learning the art of personal grooming ........ in any case, i do feel your pain :)
#2 Posted by ahmedmadani on September 30, 2007 6:10:37 pm
This assimilation is not good to pakistani idendity. It is elites of west who want to deislamise young minds who are born to firm believers. The process of processing young muslims is same as making bread. First break them down pulverise and make redicule of good and bad things in islamic ethos then when they are deminaralised then fortify them with western ideas of rationality, socialism, homo and Transsexual , sex indendity confusion,thoughts, women freedom and misbehaviour as liberal good things like smoking,Zina sex , wearing tight western pants and upper tops which are really not meant for women with 5 children, gambling and now your islamic women in college are drinking to top of that drinking bear and munching burgers mixed with baCON PORK and eating bread made of lard which beef fats and pig fats.I am not against modernality little forlicking with opposite sex for fun but this other things are very degrading and honestly haram. It is sad this pakistani young man is doing all "get accepted" and has become Wanabi Gora christaian. Thinking secular , wondering about existance of god and almighty, profets , going vegetarian and at extreme end becoming vegan and at total perversion the worshipping animals and having pets specially dogs. ( Cats are ok they have tiger as ancestors and they spent all time grooming themselves many desi can learn from them and start taking two baths per day). What is use of person who is so processed to n th degree. That UK has done better as there are cities in uk where they are not trying to become like english gentleman. Places like bradford in england have heard at inner old city has color and atmosphere of any place in pakistan comeplete with butures offering real mutton and properly processed. Therese are real warriers and they are vanguards of coming islamic centers in europe. UK, germany and france, holland all europe has got these necleus which can expand with time. Suburban areas in some parts of paris are controlled by oppressed North african muslisms as uk as pakistani centric growth. Mr. Imran khan ( cricket) is vicechancellar of uk univ which is majority pakistani I am told. Assimilation is death seperateness is life and growth and future of european islamic hope lies there. Elites are trying to say and tell young man in west you may be muslim and you have no common thing with pakistani in heartland of pakistan. There is more connection with peole of heartland than just local white masses. Elites want to make muslims as ordinary citizens but truth is they are different and need to keep idendity intact and connection with Pakistani awam.
#1 Posted by aslam644 on September 30, 2007 2:28:14 pm
It seems like BBC has become a finishing school for south asian actors/directors before they go on to make it big in Hollywood, gurinder chadda, archie panjabi.
In UK asian actors appear on prime time dramas all the time it’s no big deal, maybe the reason is the community here is large relatively.
There is a pak-brit actor ahsen bhatti he played the role of a pimp in BBC drama the band of gold, the violence he meted out to white prostitutes was really shocking, but this guy can really act, he can even give naseeruddin shah run for his money.
In UK asian actors appear on prime time dramas all the time it’s no big deal, maybe the reason is the community here is large relatively.
There is a pak-brit actor ahsen bhatti he played the role of a pimp in BBC drama the band of gold, the violence he meted out to white prostitutes was really shocking, but this guy can really act, he can even give naseeruddin shah run for his money.
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