A Sad Day for Pakistan
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#238 Posted by harish_hyd on October 5, 2007 12:18:37 am
#237 by MantoLives
Have I backed down on Jinnah, ML, Pakistan etc?
Yasser mian, given your penchant for making U-turns, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if you did that one day.
As for evolution... I am more than happy to grant it for the racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi provided you give me evidence of his "evolution".
C'mon now Yasser mian, no one is pushing you to "grant" something to Gandhi. Gandhi is one of the greatest persons the world ever produced in the last century and your granting or not granting does not make an iota of difference to him.
However, he is human and he can make mistakes (like his claim that Kanji was parsi... or in Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan where he mixes two speeches of Jinnah's).
You're tying yourself up in knots. Wolpert is human, makes mistakes and can be forgiven. Gandhi was not? LOL!!!!
Still you haven't quoted a single thing from Wolpert that can be considered "indictment" of ML or Jinnah etc. There to one suspects lack of quality education on your part.
Yasser mian, I think you've forgotten or more likely, you're upto your usual lies. We were having this cute little discussion about who started the DAD violence, which is when the indictment came up. If you go back, that should clear up all the cobwebs from your mind, that is, if there is one.
The suit thing apparently scalded you so much that you commented countless times without any "Egging" on from me... but you had to post here as well.
Hahahaha!! Yasser mian you're so funny you should try your hand at doing stand up. I was never in the discussion at all. Instead it was your own compatriots who were making fun of you. Even at that point, you were paranoid at me visiting the thread. That should reveal who was scalded, shouldn't it? LOL!!!
Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you suffer a deep seated inferiority complex ... when it comes to me.
Yasser mian, inferiority complex is when you need to post others' pics to prove how good looking you are, and you did do that, didn't you? Inferiority complex is when you need to boast on an anonymous forum that your dad drives a Maybach, that you were educated at Rutgers, that you are one of the "top lawyers"..LOL...in Pakistan.
Have I backed down on Jinnah, ML, Pakistan etc?
Yasser mian, given your penchant for making U-turns, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if you did that one day.
As for evolution... I am more than happy to grant it for the racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi provided you give me evidence of his "evolution".
C'mon now Yasser mian, no one is pushing you to "grant" something to Gandhi. Gandhi is one of the greatest persons the world ever produced in the last century and your granting or not granting does not make an iota of difference to him.
However, he is human and he can make mistakes (like his claim that Kanji was parsi... or in Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan where he mixes two speeches of Jinnah's).
You're tying yourself up in knots. Wolpert is human, makes mistakes and can be forgiven. Gandhi was not? LOL!!!!
Still you haven't quoted a single thing from Wolpert that can be considered "indictment" of ML or Jinnah etc. There to one suspects lack of quality education on your part.
Yasser mian, I think you've forgotten or more likely, you're upto your usual lies. We were having this cute little discussion about who started the DAD violence, which is when the indictment came up. If you go back, that should clear up all the cobwebs from your mind, that is, if there is one.
The suit thing apparently scalded you so much that you commented countless times without any "Egging" on from me... but you had to post here as well.
Hahahaha!! Yasser mian you're so funny you should try your hand at doing stand up. I was never in the discussion at all. Instead it was your own compatriots who were making fun of you. Even at that point, you were paranoid at me visiting the thread. That should reveal who was scalded, shouldn't it? LOL!!!
Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you suffer a deep seated inferiority complex ... when it comes to me.
Yasser mian, inferiority complex is when you need to post others' pics to prove how good looking you are, and you did do that, didn't you? Inferiority complex is when you need to boast on an anonymous forum that your dad drives a Maybach, that you were educated at Rutgers, that you are one of the "top lawyers"..LOL...in Pakistan.
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#237 Posted by MantoLives on October 4, 2007 11:51:40 pm
Majumdar,
Well said.
Harish mian,
You are not worth my time. However, since you are obsessed and prone to repeating the same lies I must point out simple facts... I am not sure how I change my opinions to suit the audience. Is the audience all anti-Bhutto now? Am I supposed to hold all opinions I did at age 18 or 19? Have I backed down on Jinnah, ML, Pakistan etc? Even Imran Khan who I have supported for more tha 10 years... criticising him on one point or the other does not mean not agreeing with -when in each such post I have clearly held the view that Imran Khan is perhaps the most honest politician around. The problem with you is that you are too dishonest of an interactor to have an iota of shame or dignity. Either that you think agreeing and disagreeing with some has to be total and zero sum.
As for evolution... I am more than happy to grant it for the racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi provided you give me evidence of his "evolution". It is your failure that is responsible.
As for Wolpert... he is a very good writer who wrote in my opinion the best biography on Jinnah (Jinnah of Pakistan) and I have always quoted him and will continue to do so. However, he is human and he can make mistakes (like his claim that Kanji was parsi... or in Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan where he mixes two speeches of Jinnah's).
Still you haven't quoted a single thing from Wolpert that can be considered "indictment" of ML or Jinnah etc. There to one suspects lack of quality education on your part.
The suit thing apparently scalded you so much that you commented countless times without any "Egging" on from me... but you had to post here as well. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you suffer a deep seated inferiority complex ... when it comes to me. Look I don't have anything to do with you. I am merely here expressing my point of view. If you don't agree with the point of view, do so civilly. There is no point becoming an obsessed maniac, posting 20 posts about me every day.
Well said.
Harish mian,
You are not worth my time. However, since you are obsessed and prone to repeating the same lies I must point out simple facts... I am not sure how I change my opinions to suit the audience. Is the audience all anti-Bhutto now? Am I supposed to hold all opinions I did at age 18 or 19? Have I backed down on Jinnah, ML, Pakistan etc? Even Imran Khan who I have supported for more tha 10 years... criticising him on one point or the other does not mean not agreeing with -when in each such post I have clearly held the view that Imran Khan is perhaps the most honest politician around. The problem with you is that you are too dishonest of an interactor to have an iota of shame or dignity. Either that you think agreeing and disagreeing with some has to be total and zero sum.
As for evolution... I am more than happy to grant it for the racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi provided you give me evidence of his "evolution". It is your failure that is responsible.
As for Wolpert... he is a very good writer who wrote in my opinion the best biography on Jinnah (Jinnah of Pakistan) and I have always quoted him and will continue to do so. However, he is human and he can make mistakes (like his claim that Kanji was parsi... or in Zulfi Bhutto of Pakistan where he mixes two speeches of Jinnah's).
Still you haven't quoted a single thing from Wolpert that can be considered "indictment" of ML or Jinnah etc. There to one suspects lack of quality education on your part.
The suit thing apparently scalded you so much that you commented countless times without any "Egging" on from me... but you had to post here as well. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that you suffer a deep seated inferiority complex ... when it comes to me. Look I don't have anything to do with you. I am merely here expressing my point of view. If you don't agree with the point of view, do so civilly. There is no point becoming an obsessed maniac, posting 20 posts about me every day.
#236 Posted by razaraja on October 4, 2007 11:57:34 am
There is one major reason which in my opinion has made this judiciary criminally negligent of their duty. In the past they never had the people and lawyers behind them. They had to make decisions with no public support and under Marshal Law. Even Zulfiqar Bhutto, certainly the most popular leader was hanged by judiciary and yet there was no public outcry at that time. Army was in full command of the situation. Judges did what was expected of them. Now the situation is different. Entire legal community was behind them, people were behind them and yet they have again repeated what they have always done.This decision is perhaps rhe worst decision in the long history of bad decisions
#235 Posted by Indian on October 4, 2007 10:57:31 am
Folks
Leave Jinnah alone. He made a mess of everything ....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Jinnahs_daughter_cant_claim_property_ Centre/articleshow/2430299.cms
Leave Jinnah alone. He made a mess of everything ....
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Jinnahs_daughter_cant_claim_property_ Centre/articleshow/2430299.cms
#234 Posted by majumdar on October 4, 2007 1:44:01 am
Jayp,
(You must be a very young indian)
34.
(I know personally of several people who gave up their wealth, their jobs etc in support of the freedom struggle.)
Most of then wud be dead now. It is 60 years since independence and assuming they were at least 25 at 1947, they wud be 85. No wonder at least I have not seen them. I presume u wud be much older so wud have seen them.
(The millions who marched with gandhi and beaten up were the real heros.)
Maybe they were. But had it been not for the millions of Germans who got killed fighting for the "white Aryan racist, fasicist, bigoted freak" we wud still be singing Rule Britannia.
(India has a system of pension for the freedom fighters, there are hundreds of thousands of them)
Most of these people are frauds.
(, and they have also given preferences in jobs for the children of freedom fighters.)
OK. So they got the benfitts, rite, so no need for them to crib about it.
(I do read here people of your genration rediculing the Nehruviabn socialism)
Lots of countries have created a strong industrial base and the equivalent of IITs without having to go thru Nehruvian Stalinism. Besides even if it was necessary at some point of tiem it far outlived its utiltity. Leftism shud have been dumped by the late 1960s if not eralier.
Btw it is not only people of my generation who ridicule Nehruvianism there were lots of people who criticised socialism rite from the start including people like Masani, Rajaji and the rest.
Regards
(You must be a very young indian)
34.
(I know personally of several people who gave up their wealth, their jobs etc in support of the freedom struggle.)
Most of then wud be dead now. It is 60 years since independence and assuming they were at least 25 at 1947, they wud be 85. No wonder at least I have not seen them. I presume u wud be much older so wud have seen them.
(The millions who marched with gandhi and beaten up were the real heros.)
Maybe they were. But had it been not for the millions of Germans who got killed fighting for the "white Aryan racist, fasicist, bigoted freak" we wud still be singing Rule Britannia.
(India has a system of pension for the freedom fighters, there are hundreds of thousands of them)
Most of these people are frauds.
(, and they have also given preferences in jobs for the children of freedom fighters.)
OK. So they got the benfitts, rite, so no need for them to crib about it.
(I do read here people of your genration rediculing the Nehruviabn socialism)
Lots of countries have created a strong industrial base and the equivalent of IITs without having to go thru Nehruvian Stalinism. Besides even if it was necessary at some point of tiem it far outlived its utiltity. Leftism shud have been dumped by the late 1960s if not eralier.
Btw it is not only people of my generation who ridicule Nehruvianism there were lots of people who criticised socialism rite from the start including people like Masani, Rajaji and the rest.
Regards
#233 Posted by jayp on October 4, 2007 1:08:13 am
Majumdar 312,
You must be a very young indian, I know personally of several people who gave up their wealth, their jobs etc in support of the freedom struggle. The millions who marched with gandhi and beaten up were the real heros.
India has a system of pension for the freedom fighters, there are hundreds of thousands of them, and they have also given preferences in jobs for the children of freedom fighters. To say that there are not many who fought with Gandhi and sacrificed for teh freedom, is a tragedy of the indian schooling system.
It is possible that the new IT generation who have got high salaries at young age forget that the foundations were laid by people like me, who strived against all adversities to create a value system that rates education highly, and have acheived many things simply because of our efforts and tenacity.
I do read here people of your genration rediculing the Nehruviabn socialism, you have to remember that the IIts and HMTs and Sindhris would not have come up if india had gone for the capitalism. It produced transient growths like in pakista, philippines etc without an economic foundation.
One can hear of pakis crying about their great past in the 50s, only to evaporate later because it did not have a basic structure of an industrial base. It is Nhrue that did it, what he called the "temples of modern india".
You must be a very young indian, I know personally of several people who gave up their wealth, their jobs etc in support of the freedom struggle. The millions who marched with gandhi and beaten up were the real heros.
India has a system of pension for the freedom fighters, there are hundreds of thousands of them, and they have also given preferences in jobs for the children of freedom fighters. To say that there are not many who fought with Gandhi and sacrificed for teh freedom, is a tragedy of the indian schooling system.
It is possible that the new IT generation who have got high salaries at young age forget that the foundations were laid by people like me, who strived against all adversities to create a value system that rates education highly, and have acheived many things simply because of our efforts and tenacity.
I do read here people of your genration rediculing the Nehruviabn socialism, you have to remember that the IIts and HMTs and Sindhris would not have come up if india had gone for the capitalism. It produced transient growths like in pakista, philippines etc without an economic foundation.
One can hear of pakis crying about their great past in the 50s, only to evaporate later because it did not have a basic structure of an industrial base. It is Nhrue that did it, what he called the "temples of modern india".
#232 Posted by VRV on October 4, 2007 12:34:42 am
people must be egging him on because he is better than them...LOL!
Harish,
Prolly, yes ;-)
Harish,
Prolly, yes ;-)
#231 Posted by harish_hyd on October 4, 2007 12:20:28 am
#230 by VRV
Yasser does change opinions and as u saw on UP that he thinks that his wearing a suit shames Indians to death & there are some empty-brain aunties/uncles prodding this vainglorious behaviour. Phew!
Yasser is the "tamashe ka bandar" and a lot of folks egg him on just to watch him make a spectacle of himself (like on this suit thing), but Yasser thinks people must be egging him on because he is better than them...LOL!
Yasser does change opinions and as u saw on UP that he thinks that his wearing a suit shames Indians to death & there are some empty-brain aunties/uncles prodding this vainglorious behaviour. Phew!
Yasser is the "tamashe ka bandar" and a lot of folks egg him on just to watch him make a spectacle of himself (like on this suit thing), but Yasser thinks people must be egging him on because he is better than them...LOL!
#230 Posted by VRV on October 4, 2007 12:09:20 am
Harish,
U are right abt the analysis. Yasser does change opinions and as u saw on UP that he thinks that his wearing a suit shames Indians to death & there are some empty-brain aunties/uncles prodding this vainglorious behaviour. Phew!
What a vanity!
U are right abt the analysis. Yasser does change opinions and as u saw on UP that he thinks that his wearing a suit shames Indians to death & there are some empty-brain aunties/uncles prodding this vainglorious behaviour. Phew!
What a vanity!
#229 Posted by harish_hyd on October 3, 2007 11:58:04 pm
228 by VRV
Are u any different from Masadi?
Of course Yasser mian is very different from Masadi. Masadi is a honest guy who believes in what he says. OTOH, Yasser mian changes his views to suit his mood/audience or both: until not so long ago, ZAB was the greatest Paki ever born (second only to Jinnah) but now, he is the scum of the earth. Not too long ago, Imran was a characterless guy, now he is the next great hope of Pakistan (next of course after Yasser mian himself). A couple of years ago, Stanley Wolpert was God: every word he uttered was the gospel truth, now he thinks the man sometimes was wrong, especially if it seemed to be indicting ML or Jinnah in any way. Of course, Yasser mian calls it evolution and we all agree even the most bone-headed men like him do evolve, but the problem is that he isn't willing to concede the same for others.
Are u any different from Masadi?
Of course Yasser mian is very different from Masadi. Masadi is a honest guy who believes in what he says. OTOH, Yasser mian changes his views to suit his mood/audience or both: until not so long ago, ZAB was the greatest Paki ever born (second only to Jinnah) but now, he is the scum of the earth. Not too long ago, Imran was a characterless guy, now he is the next great hope of Pakistan (next of course after Yasser mian himself). A couple of years ago, Stanley Wolpert was God: every word he uttered was the gospel truth, now he thinks the man sometimes was wrong, especially if it seemed to be indicting ML or Jinnah in any way. Of course, Yasser mian calls it evolution and we all agree even the most bone-headed men like him do evolve, but the problem is that he isn't willing to concede the same for others.
#228 Posted by VRV on October 3, 2007 10:46:12 pm
Manto,
Are u any different from Masadi? Whoever disagrees with u is a idiot. Isnt it?
Luckily, these Chowk fellows ignore ur abuses and that of all Qadianis.
There's a catch.
Are u any different from Masadi? Whoever disagrees with u is a idiot. Isnt it?
Luckily, these Chowk fellows ignore ur abuses and that of all Qadianis.
There's a catch.
#227 Posted by MantoLives on October 3, 2007 2:32:17 pm
VRV,
Yaar there is no fire and no one is asking you to be the fire engine...
It is only fouled mouthed Masadi ... and more foul mouthed Masadi.
Yaar there is no fire and no one is asking you to be the fire engine...
It is only fouled mouthed Masadi ... and more foul mouthed Masadi.
#226 Posted by Dash_Dot on October 3, 2007 12:03:59 pm
mantolives, stop being your unusual self - and appreciate Masadi for Masadi is.
A fine upstanding human being with a great mind - razor sharp, independent, deviously clever, but with enuf chutipa to make you want to scream.
Please donot be jealous of him. You are you and Masadi is masadi.
Appreciate his presence
A fine upstanding human being with a great mind - razor sharp, independent, deviously clever, but with enuf chutipa to make you want to scream.
Please donot be jealous of him. You are you and Masadi is masadi.
Appreciate his presence
#225 Posted by VRV on October 3, 2007 11:37:24 am
Manto,
Thanks but no thanks.
I am really not sure who started this fire. So, pl spare me.
Thanks but no thanks.
I am really not sure who started this fire. So, pl spare me.
#224 Posted by hamidm2 on October 3, 2007 11:20:51 am
masadi,
... you finally found some friends ! ..... now you can stop talking to the pink bunny rabbit
#223 Posted by MantoLives on October 3, 2007 10:59:59 am
VRV,
You can't be serious. I know you have your blind spots... but you can't be serious when you try and turn a blind eye to this abusive freak.
You can't be serious. I know you have your blind spots... but you can't be serious when you try and turn a blind eye to this abusive freak.
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