A Sad Day for Pakistan

GT #189: I agree that enough of masadi - I would rather pay attention to posters who have something amusing or original or informative to add, rather to an individual whose claim to fame is his abusive posts.

Dont worry about my feelings - if abuse from "internet tigers" meant anything to me, I would have left chowk a long time ago. So, please dont make me the problem for refusing to applaud abusive posters the way you are doing.

I provided you with an example in #182 below of why I consider this man to be an idiot. What words of wisdom or insights does he provide that has made even a smidgen of a difference in your understanding of world politics and economics, the two stratospheric subject that masadi deals with? I would be obliged if you would explain, so I dont miss out on it.

tahmed sahib:

It is not my intention to upset you or hurt your feelings. I know that you are a nice human being. I do not like the way you are abused by masadi. Also, I am not sure that our perspective on manto is different. Manto is a serious person who knows his Jinnah (as hamid would say).

However, it is my view, that masadi is not an idiot. You may, and have all the rights to, disagree with my view.

In any case, I feel a bit sorry discussing masadi, manto etc. in a board which should be discussing the present changes in the polity of Pakistan.

GT: You wont find me condoing abusive posts written by anyone on chowk the way you are doing in case of masadi. So you have no reason to point to some other poster (mantolives in this case) to support your encouragement of masadi.

I already recognized in my previous post that masadi is not alone in using the safety of the internet to abuse and berate people and misrepresent and demonize their views in ways he would never dare to do to their face in real life. There are indeed a few other "internet tigers" - cowards and losers in real life, obviously - like him on chowk.

Saying that abuse is "a part of chowk" does injustice to those posters who are perfectly civilized. I have not read Ferozk's exchange with masadi that you mention, but I have seen posts written by him over the past several years on chowk, and he has been consistently civilized until now.

So, please try to be fair, and distinguish between deliberate and wilful abusers like masadi and those who are provoked into responding to such posters in kind.

PS: As for mantolives, I dont follow his daily interactions and there are very few exchanges he has with me. But when he does (even on issues where we disagree, notably on his views on Gandhi), he has been civilized. Nor has he twisted my views the way masadi routinely does either. I am writing this only to give you another perspective on mantolives, one different from yours. Like I said above, in any case I am not condoning abuse the way you are.

Re: # 186

GT,

masadi should be banned from chowk for provoking an uncharacteristic remark from a gentleman like ferozk - the man brings out the worst in everyone .......

........ personally i think the man is a frustrated idiot who takes out his frustrations on imaginary foes like the us elite and barney the purple dinosoaur ...... i think his frustrations stem from sexual inadequacy and doubts abut sexual orientation - that is my theory and i could be wrong .......

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#182 Posted by tahmed32,

Dear tahmed,

Let me turn the issue a bit and talk about another interactor I like. What about manto? Don't you find him 'abusive'? And to be frank, I wrote # 181, because I was completely taken aback by #179 of ferozk, I just could not believe that ferozk could write something like that.

tahmed sahib. Abuse is but a part of chowk (as HP taught me a long time back). I have had a lot of interesting conversations with masadi, with masadi being both abusive and declaring himself the 'winner'. But I have not been worse off as a result. There are always new things to learn.

Arjun,

As always, u are hilarious. LOL!

masadi and manto are peas in a pod..

They both have outlandish theories that they think are facts but the world doesn't buy..at least in masadi's case, his theory has more buyers...

Both masadi and manto are in the habit of declaring victory over their opponents when the victory is only in their own mind...notice how masadi claims to have proven something and manto claiming to have handed people their asses

if they were in vermont, they would be married...

#181 Posted by GT on October 2, 2007 8:27:08 am

Well said, Sir!

GT: I beg to differ with your post to masadi.

Who but an idiot would accuse some poster of planting flags (in #178) when in fact it could be anyone? And why are you reinforcing this man's habit of berating and insulting anyone who dares to question his stupid black-and-white view of the world? Contrary to what you imply, most posters on chowk are perfectly capable of exchanging posts in a civilized manner. Masadi and others like him who take advantage of the internet to abuse and berate posters in ways they would never dare to do in real life should not be considered as the standard-setters on chowk.

Dear masadi,

You are not a fool nor an idiot. Though I do not fully agree with your power elite theory (and I have my reasons) there is no doubt about the power exherted by US corporations in collusion with politicians (who are mostly propped up by these same corporate bosses). These forces have globally done much to prop up and destroy both (free?) markets and democracy. They have indeed lead to a lot of misery. You also make a very important point - the point that these forces use the media very effectively to blur or distort or hide the truth. These points need to be made and you consistently do so in chowk. For this I am grateful.

You also make a point with which I whole heartedly agree. That is: aggregate welfare, and not growth, is the actual measure of 'the wealth of nations' (Adam Smith made this point and it is indeed lost to third grade economists in the IMF, WB and various 'consultancies'). As you will recall, India has been shining for quite a while now. Yet, each and every government has been changed by the masses during this 'shining' period. So much for India and Pakistans' desire to shine.

As far as being abusive is concerned, yes you are abusive and personally I do not like it. But so are many in chowk. And then there are those who can be offensive without being abusive. So I shall simply bear your abusive .... just keep those posts comming.

masadi: you idiot. i didnt plant those flags below. I gave you a fitting response in #174 instead.

Re: # 165

Hey fool, you are guessing again, aren't you? You guessed wrong...again...you moron!

Howz life in utopia?

I was right...you really are miserable living in this world, aren't you?

Go back to the rock you crawled out from....you know...where all the fools go...

ciao

Sorry, let me correct that even though the High Priest of the Church of MAJ is hypocritical, this flagging was the work of tahmed, the backstabber. The pattern of red-flagging reveals that it was his work...As the old wise saying from these areas goes, when you shake your hand with him make sure you count your fingers afterwards, because untrustworthy as he is, he might have kept one while you weren't looking....stay clear of folk like him

By the way why have so many of my posts here been red flagged, even the most benign ones like the one to HP. Is it that the High Priest of the Church of MAJ wants me banned from here yet again. Is this not the clearest sign of this loser at work?

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf made moves on Tuesday to smooth his re-election by naming a successor as army chief as his government dropped graft charges against possible ally Benazir Bhutto......Chain-smoking Kayani had been director-general of the military's main security agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, until last month. He is well-regarded by U.S. counterparts, Western diplomats say.

Pakistan is an important non-NATO ally for the United States. Its support is regarded as crucial for the success of Western military efforts in Afghanistan, and in the hunt for Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda in tribal areas on the Afghan border.

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Demons....Yeah Right!....Come the Iran war, you'll see what role he plays...

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf made moves on Tuesday to smooth his re-election by naming a successor as army chief as his government dropped graft charges against possible ally Benazir Bhutto......Chain-smoking Kayani had been director-general of the military's main security agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, until last month. He is well-regarded by U.S. counterparts, Western diplomats say.

Pakistan is an important non-NATO ally for the United States. Its support is regarded as crucial for the success of Western military efforts in Afghanistan, and in the hunt for Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda in tribal areas on the Afghan border.

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Demons....Yeah Right!....Come the Iran war, you'll see what role he plays...