Dillu Ram Kausari: The Hindu Poet who Loved The Prophet

Re: # 190

This Sudra thing is a thing of the past!! Modern hinduism has evolved and changed. No one can get Manu Smriti enacted- it is impossible to do!!

Yes, but all those muslims would jump up and ask for Shariat at the first opportunity and saying that it is all for the LOVE of that bandit!!!

Islam is Sunnat and what Prophet did - he killed and raped - unless muslims condemn him and his actions than try to justify with stupid logic there is no way to reform Islam!!

Re: # 189

ofcourse!!

what about the the non hindu pagans in India like the dravidians who u made dasa and the tribals whom u destroyed and what about destroying the budhists who were allover India before harshvardhana? you destroyd them all, subjugated and converted them? u didnt leave any trace of their cultures nor did u leave a majority of them unconverted unlike the muslims

you inflicted violence and a subhuman existence on the lower caste sudras you hypocrites

what about the the non hindu pagans in India like the dravidians who u made dasa and the tribals whom u destroyed and what about destroying the budhists who were allover India before harshvardhana? you destroyd them all, subjugated and converted them? u didnt leave any trace of their cultures nor did u leave a majority of them unconverted unlike the muslims

you inflicted violence and a subhuman existence on the lower caste sudras you hypocrites

so when hindus burnt muslims alive in gujraat and godhra it was wrong?

Re: # 184

"Being a Hindu you must believe in Samsara and Karma as has also been indicated and quoted by me in my previous post."

Yes, Samsara and Karma are Sanatan Satya.

But that does not let me accept violence from Adharmic people.
I would do my karma to oppose all persons with the Adharmic and Rakshasi Pravritti.

Re: # 184

"Were the pagan military campaigns any better in this regard?"

All violence done by any prophet or religious head against any other religion is condemnable.

Can you repeat that??

Re: # 184

"pagan demolition campaigns in the Jewish land and the cynical and total destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem unmentioned."

Every violence , by any one , on any another civilization, culture or its religions symbols, idols and temples is despicable.

Can you assert that??

Re: # 184

"It is forbidden in the Islamic law to attack the non-combatants."

That is completely un-true. You can tell this to some one who has not read the Quran and the Hadiths.

I find this so called 'piety' of the 'love' of Prophet Mohammad like the 'love' of Nazis towards their "Feuhrer". The deification of the prophet and his eulogizing his terror is much like the neo-nazis justifying and eulogizing Hitler by boasting that Hitler and his WW-II was ordained by the almighty and it did good to the world!!
Any sensible person - except for the Islamists - finds such a justification of the massacre, pain, destruction and genocide of WW-II (or of Hindu idolators ) a perversity and depravity of the minds of those who even contemplate about it?

Re: # 183

Dear Laddu Sahib,

It is forbidden in the Islamic law to attack the non-combatants. If those Sadhus were not taking part in the war and were merely focussing on their meditations inside their temples then it was certainly a sin to attack them. Your pain regarding India’s conquest by Muslims is understandable but that doesn’t justify your obsessive preoccupation with that part of world history leaving the pagan demolition campaigns in the Jewish land and the cynical and total destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem unmentioned.

Were the pagan military campaigns any better in this regard?

Being a Hindu you must believe in Samsara and Karma as has also been indicated and quoted by me in my previous post.

Re: # 182
what perversity of interpretation ! It was not the dharma of innocent sadhus, archaka, teenagers and millions of civilians to be slaughtered because they were idolators.

Re: # 179

Dear Laddu Sahib,

I'm not saying without any reflection that there's an innate urge in the monotheistic beliefs to subdue and overturn the false systems which deny the oneness of God. I've given you ample examples from all faiths of Abrahamic tradition both peaceful and aggresive.

Let me give you one more example from the Jewish history. According to the Bible they were asked by God to enter the Promised Land -- which was full of pagans. They had to fight them. For a very long time those battles continued and a large number of pagans and monotheistic Jews were killed. Later pagan Chaldeans and Assyrians ravaged the Jewish land destroying even the Temple. These fights have been part of world history and were not always initiated by monotheists. Was Muslim conquest of India more brutal than the pagan conquest of the Jewish lands? Or the Christian conquest of the Americas? An honest enquirer won’t say that.

Why grieving over the lost lives in such wars since as a Hindu believer you must’ve read these words:

“Because, death is certain for the one who is born, and birth is certain for the one who dies. Therefore, you should not lament over the inevitable. All beings, O Arjuna, are unmanifest before birth and after death. They are manifest between the birth and the death only. What is there to grieve about?” (Bhagavadgita, 2:27-28)

“You will go to heaven if killed, or you will enjoy the earth if victorious. Therefore, get up with a determination to fight, O Arjuna.” (Bhagavadgita, 2:37)

...it is for that reason that many sunni- barelvis consider allama iqbal to have been one of the saints of Allah. i.e. a wali.

for kaal and zahid:


http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/hazarnazar.htm

(shaykh haddad is lebanese and hence, by definition, not a barelvi!)

Re: # 176
do some reflection. If there was even an ounce of love muslims would not be killing kafirs, idolators and other muslims in the name of islam.

An interesting point about Iqbal is that in his prophetology we was much more of a Barelvi than anything else--his poems--especially his latter Farsi ones--are all about pining for the Prophet Muhammad and for Madina the Blessed.

What is his famous verse about if you want to defeat the Muslims take out the love of the Prophet from their hearts? Maybe echoboom sahib can remind us!