Asif Naqshbandi September 28, 2007
#33 Posted by laddu on October 3, 2007 4:40:09 am
Re: # 30
Kaal is CLEARLY not an idolator hindu!!
Probably a troll!!
Kaal is CLEARLY not an idolator hindu!!
Probably a troll!!
#32 Posted by laddu on October 3, 2007 4:39:21 am
Re: # 30
You are certainly spot on.
This is infact called Dhimmitude- the Dhimmi's must praise the Prophet, consider Islam as the greatest thing on the earth, accept smaking on their back, give their women as slaves and pay jizya- and then curse their Gods for letting them rot as dhimmi slaves.
A Dhimmi Dillu is certainly praise worthy- but a munafiqoon and mushriqoon Dara Shikhon is to be torn to pieces and his body dragged all over the city in display!!!
You are certainly spot on.
This is infact called Dhimmitude- the Dhimmi's must praise the Prophet, consider Islam as the greatest thing on the earth, accept smaking on their back, give their women as slaves and pay jizya- and then curse their Gods for letting them rot as dhimmi slaves.
A Dhimmi Dillu is certainly praise worthy- but a munafiqoon and mushriqoon Dara Shikhon is to be torn to pieces and his body dragged all over the city in display!!!
#30 Posted by mohar11 on October 3, 2007 4:03:01 am
Re: # 6 kaal
[...Look, naqshbhai is a genuine sufi, a Muslim...]
Yep - the dude is a genuine muslim alright: death to the muslim worhsipping pagan god... but praise pagan worshipping bedouin god... that sounds like a good muslim to me... :)
[...Look, naqshbhai is a genuine sufi, a Muslim...]
Yep - the dude is a genuine muslim alright: death to the muslim worhsipping pagan god... but praise pagan worshipping bedouin god... that sounds like a good muslim to me... :)
#29 Posted by mohar11 on October 3, 2007 3:52:44 am
Re: # 18 majumdar
[.....Would you be equally proud of a Muslim poet who sang paens to some Kaffir God?...]
Are you kidding? Naqshbaandi called Salman Khan an apostate and was ready to kill him because he participated in Ganesh Puja or some other hindu worship... He was livid with rage that a muslim took part in a pagan ritual - that, he said, is completely forbidden by the bedouin prophet... :)
And now - this dude is singing paeans to some pagan who was supposedly "loved the prophet"... pagans worshipping bedouin god is good, but bedouins worshipping pagan god is bad... :)
And what's up with this "love the prophet" business?... are these bedouins freaking gay or something?
[.....Would you be equally proud of a Muslim poet who sang paens to some Kaffir God?...]
Are you kidding? Naqshbaandi called Salman Khan an apostate and was ready to kill him because he participated in Ganesh Puja or some other hindu worship... He was livid with rage that a muslim took part in a pagan ritual - that, he said, is completely forbidden by the bedouin prophet... :)
And now - this dude is singing paeans to some pagan who was supposedly "loved the prophet"... pagans worshipping bedouin god is good, but bedouins worshipping pagan god is bad... :)
And what's up with this "love the prophet" business?... are these bedouins freaking gay or something?
#28 Posted by majumdar on October 3, 2007 3:20:13 am
Hamid mian,
(as a sunni muslim i consider all this stuff, and much much more, to be part of islam ...... but then, i also think pork is halal and hindoos are regular people ......... )
I suspected that you thought so. But does Wali sahib think so, I wud be quite interested in knowing that.
Regards
(as a sunni muslim i consider all this stuff, and much much more, to be part of islam ...... but then, i also think pork is halal and hindoos are regular people ......... )
I suspected that you thought so. But does Wali sahib think so, I wud be quite interested in knowing that.
Regards
#27 Posted by hamidm2 on October 3, 2007 3:02:07 am
Re: # 25
laddu mian,
...... as a sunni muslim i consider all this stuff, and much much more, to be part of islam ...... but then, i also think pork is halal and hindoos are regular people .........
laddu mian,
...... as a sunni muslim i consider all this stuff, and much much more, to be part of islam ...... but then, i also think pork is halal and hindoos are regular people .........
#26 Posted by maffrejal on October 3, 2007 2:09:44 am
This article and other interract proves that ALL religion has been tolerant. Only recently satan has got hold of these relegion and each claiming monopoly. I am sure the choice of this monopoly is entirely ours and goes to show that we are not true followers of our religion.
#25 Posted by laddu on October 2, 2007 11:24:09 pm
Ask any Sunni if he considers all these to be part of the Islam-
1. Lord Ram blessing Prince Dara Shikoh in a dream
2. Abdul Rahim Khankhana, ( alias the great Krishna bhakt, famous for Rahim ke dohe)praising Krishna.
3. Suhagan Sufis of Ahmedabad, Gujarat, who dressed like Hindu brides, with red sindoor and called themselves the dulhans of God/ Allah. Lal sindoor and chooris are offered at their dargahs.
4. Nawabs of Awadh, spending 13 days in celebrating Holi. Wajid Ali Shah’s court played Raslila, for Lord Krishna.
5.Mian Mardana, a Muslim rabab player who played the rabab in the Golden temple for 500 years till 1947.
6. Celebrating Basant panchmi by singing Saraswti vandanas and bringing sarson flowers and saffron chadars to the dargahs.
7. That Ras Khan was one of the many Muslim Krishna bhakts and renounced everything to live in Vrindavan, upon seeing a baniya’s son, whom he worshipped as Krishna.
8.Hundreds of Krishna bhajans have been written by Muslims like Amir Khusro, Rahim, Hazrat Sarmad, Dadu, Baba Farid, many of which are part of the Guru Granth sahib.
9. And finally, Sadarang and the entire tradition of classical khayal singers singing compositions in praise of Krishna and on hindu idolator themes.
Ask any follower of Prophet's sunnat if any of these are part of the Islamic tradition??
1. Lord Ram blessing Prince Dara Shikoh in a dream
2. Abdul Rahim Khankhana, ( alias the great Krishna bhakt, famous for Rahim ke dohe)praising Krishna.
3. Suhagan Sufis of Ahmedabad, Gujarat, who dressed like Hindu brides, with red sindoor and called themselves the dulhans of God/ Allah. Lal sindoor and chooris are offered at their dargahs.
4. Nawabs of Awadh, spending 13 days in celebrating Holi. Wajid Ali Shah’s court played Raslila, for Lord Krishna.
5.Mian Mardana, a Muslim rabab player who played the rabab in the Golden temple for 500 years till 1947.
6. Celebrating Basant panchmi by singing Saraswti vandanas and bringing sarson flowers and saffron chadars to the dargahs.
7. That Ras Khan was one of the many Muslim Krishna bhakts and renounced everything to live in Vrindavan, upon seeing a baniya’s son, whom he worshipped as Krishna.
8.Hundreds of Krishna bhajans have been written by Muslims like Amir Khusro, Rahim, Hazrat Sarmad, Dadu, Baba Farid, many of which are part of the Guru Granth sahib.
9. And finally, Sadarang and the entire tradition of classical khayal singers singing compositions in praise of Krishna and on hindu idolator themes.
Ask any follower of Prophet's sunnat if any of these are part of the Islamic tradition??
#24 Posted by majumdar on October 2, 2007 11:22:40 pm
Laddu,
Good that you raised Ras Khan. I believe there a few other Muslim poets (including a Bijapur Sultan) who sang in praise of Hindu Gods. Wonder what Wali sahib has to say about these people.
Regards
Good that you raised Ras Khan. I believe there a few other Muslim poets (including a Bijapur Sultan) who sang in praise of Hindu Gods. Wonder what Wali sahib has to say about these people.
Regards
#23 Posted by laddu on October 2, 2007 10:28:00 pm
The focus on praising prophet is more of an attempt to subsume Gnostics under Islam so that the pagan and kafir Gnostics do not bear the violence of Mohammad's Islam.
Dillu probably never read the original Quran and the original Shahi Hadiths.
stories like these are typical taquiyya to fool pagans into thinking that Islam has anything to do with spirituality. The fact remains that Sunnat has nothing to do with Gnosticism whose real traditions has always been outside the hard core Islamic traditions.
There are equally better and authentic stories about Krishan Bhakt's like Ras Khan and other Gnostics like Kabir who were accepted as part of the Vaishnava tradition.
Ask any Sunni if Dilu or any of those are part of Islamic tradition or not. He would probably wave his sword high in the air in order to make his point.
All this sufi talk is plain taquiyya that does not fool idolators like me.
Dillu probably never read the original Quran and the original Shahi Hadiths.
stories like these are typical taquiyya to fool pagans into thinking that Islam has anything to do with spirituality. The fact remains that Sunnat has nothing to do with Gnosticism whose real traditions has always been outside the hard core Islamic traditions.
There are equally better and authentic stories about Krishan Bhakt's like Ras Khan and other Gnostics like Kabir who were accepted as part of the Vaishnava tradition.
Ask any Sunni if Dilu or any of those are part of Islamic tradition or not. He would probably wave his sword high in the air in order to make his point.
All this sufi talk is plain taquiyya that does not fool idolators like me.
#22 Posted by majumdar on October 2, 2007 9:17:14 pm
Wali sahib,
(Yes, I am proud of Muslim rule in India . Yet I feel that overall it would have been better if they'd remained. )
I presume you would support Muslim minorities ruling over non-Muslim majorities but would consider non-Muslim minorities ruling over Muslim majorities as imperialism, right?
Regards
(Yes, I am proud of Muslim rule in India . Yet I feel that overall it would have been better if they'd remained. )
I presume you would support Muslim minorities ruling over non-Muslim majorities but would consider non-Muslim minorities ruling over Muslim majorities as imperialism, right?
Regards
#21 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 2, 2007 8:36:49 pm
VRV,
As a Muslim I feel that the end of the Mughal dynasty was a disaster for the Muslims of united India hence my bemoaning the fact. Yes, I am proud of Muslim rule in India but not in a chauvinistic way--after all, the Mughals also had plenty of faults. Yet I feel that overall it would have been better if they'd remained.
I am a nobody but power and potential love of God are not mutually exclusive. Hazrat Umar ibn Abd al Aziz aka as Umar II of the Umayyad Dynasty was, universally accepted by traditional Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) as a saint of Allah, a wali and yet he was caliph of the world's greatest superpower of the time. Sainthood and love are matters of the HEART and not dependent on one's material circumstances.
:-)
As a Muslim I feel that the end of the Mughal dynasty was a disaster for the Muslims of united India hence my bemoaning the fact. Yes, I am proud of Muslim rule in India but not in a chauvinistic way--after all, the Mughals also had plenty of faults. Yet I feel that overall it would have been better if they'd remained.
I am a nobody but power and potential love of God are not mutually exclusive. Hazrat Umar ibn Abd al Aziz aka as Umar II of the Umayyad Dynasty was, universally accepted by traditional Muslims (both Sunni and Shia) as a saint of Allah, a wali and yet he was caliph of the world's greatest superpower of the time. Sainthood and love are matters of the HEART and not dependent on one's material circumstances.
:-)
#20 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 2, 2007 8:26:42 pm
Re: # 7
i will try to find out which period dillu ram kausari belonged but i think it was early 20th century.
i will try to find out which period dillu ram kausari belonged but i think it was early 20th century.
#19 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 2, 2007 8:22:36 pm
Re: # 7
anil bhai soul is NOT an alien concept to islam. every living being has a soul, a ruh. death is simply the moment when the soul leaves its temporary cage, i.e. the body. the souls of the righteous may travel wherever they will. this is especially true of the prophets and saints.
anil bhai soul is NOT an alien concept to islam. every living being has a soul, a ruh. death is simply the moment when the soul leaves its temporary cage, i.e. the body. the souls of the righteous may travel wherever they will. this is especially true of the prophets and saints.
#18 Posted by majumdar on October 2, 2007 7:56:33 pm
Wali sahib,
You seem to be very fond of Dillusahib. Would you be equally proud of a Muslim poet who sang paens to some Kaffir God?
Btw, did Dillusahib also bring some dead parrot back to life?
Regards
You seem to be very fond of Dillusahib. Would you be equally proud of a Muslim poet who sang paens to some Kaffir God?
Btw, did Dillusahib also bring some dead parrot back to life?
Regards
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