Asif Naqshbandi September 28, 2007
#145 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 6, 2007 12:38:52 am
another sign of love khusk sahib is to love all those who love him and to hate all those who hate him.
#144 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 6, 2007 12:37:26 am
laddu, do you drink your own piss and gaavmutra?
#143 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 6, 2007 12:36:49 am
Re: # 138
He came with Allah's commandments for mankind but one of these commandments was that your faith cannot be complete unless and until your love of the Messenger is greater than your love of anything else. Thus Allah tells us that to get to Him you have to reach the Prophet first! He is the ladder to the Divine!
He came with Allah's commandments for mankind but one of these commandments was that your faith cannot be complete unless and until your love of the Messenger is greater than your love of anything else. Thus Allah tells us that to get to Him you have to reach the Prophet first! He is the ladder to the Divine!
#142 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 6, 2007 12:34:31 am
khushk sahib,
you are right love cannot be imposed but it is impossible for someone to be a muslim and not have at least a little bit of love for the prophet alayisalam. otherwise, why be a muslim?
how to increase this love is the question! the sages have written that it can be increased by reading the sira books about the prophet--i.e. his biographies written by reliable sources, especially the one by Qadi Ayad al Maliki called ash-Shifa. It is available in English translation now by Aisha Bewley entitled Muhammad: Messenger of Allah. Also listen to a lot of naats in his praise by people with attractive voices. Also if you send daily salawat on him by reading durood sharif everyday it will also increase your ishq. And read the Koran !
you are right love cannot be imposed but it is impossible for someone to be a muslim and not have at least a little bit of love for the prophet alayisalam. otherwise, why be a muslim?
how to increase this love is the question! the sages have written that it can be increased by reading the sira books about the prophet--i.e. his biographies written by reliable sources, especially the one by Qadi Ayad al Maliki called ash-Shifa. It is available in English translation now by Aisha Bewley entitled Muhammad: Messenger of Allah. Also listen to a lot of naats in his praise by people with attractive voices. Also if you send daily salawat on him by reading durood sharif everyday it will also increase your ishq. And read the Koran !
#141 Posted by laddu on October 5, 2007 7:31:40 pm
love out of fear?
That is called rape .
The fact is that islam rapes the soul of humans through its terror ,violence and fear.
That is called rape .
The fact is that islam rapes the soul of humans through its terror ,violence and fear.
#140 Posted by laddu on October 5, 2007 7:04:58 pm
Re: # 123 what has almighty to do with a rapist and a bandit. There have been so many charlatans in the history of mankind whose evilness is evident from the mayhem their cult produces .
#139 Posted by sri on October 5, 2007 5:05:10 pm
This is the most compelling argument presented against the fraud concept called God. Watch this fully http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5216975979627863972
#138 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 1:12:16 pm
Re: # 137
But love can not be imposed on someone. That happens unknowingly and irresistibly. In this regard, what should the believer know in order to start loving him? Or in other words, what could grow his love in the believer's heart?
The question remains, however, what's the basis for this love besides God's injunction?
And most importantly what's the basis for God's love for him? What was the basic theological message conveyed by him? God's commandments or his own love?
But love can not be imposed on someone. That happens unknowingly and irresistibly. In this regard, what should the believer know in order to start loving him? Or in other words, what could grow his love in the believer's heart?
The question remains, however, what's the basis for this love besides God's injunction?
And most importantly what's the basis for God's love for him? What was the basic theological message conveyed by him? God's commandments or his own love?
#137 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 12:57:44 pm
He should be loved unconditionally because Allah ORDERS you to follow him and you cannot follow someone properly and willingly unless you love them.
#136 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 12:57:07 pm
Re: # 133
But what will save you from God's judgement and possible wrath?
Your good works according to the teachings of God conveyed by His Messenger or your boundless love for this Messenger?
But what will save you from God's judgement and possible wrath?
Your good works according to the teachings of God conveyed by His Messenger or your boundless love for this Messenger?
#135 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 12:56:14 pm
Imam Busiri is only important in so far as he represents the viewpoint of the majority of traditional Sunni Muslims regarding the Prophet and his poem the Burda from which I quoted is undoubtedly the most widely read and popular poem in the history of islamic poetry till this day from morocco to maalysia!
#134 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 12:53:54 pm
Re: # 131
Because He created the whole of creation solely for the sake and pleasure of the Prophet. He told us this in the famous hadith qudsi: "Lawlaka, Lawlaka, ma khalaqtul aflaka". "But for you, but for you, I would not have created the heavens!" and in another version, "..khalaqtul duniya" ..created the world'.
Why? Because the Prophet is the Habib Allah. Enough hadith are evidence of that. The Prophet himself told us "I am the Habib of Allah."
About redemption:
Yes there IS redemption in Islam. You need to read a basic classical tradiotional theology text (e.g. Imam Ghazali's books). Notice the Prophet said 'until a single follower remains in Hell!" The scholars have taken this to mean that some sinful Muslims WILL go to Hell too and then they will be removed after some time from it due to the intercession of the Prophet; others will not go into Hell at all due to the intercession of the Prophet and yet others will be forgiven by Allah directly. Allah knows best.
Because He created the whole of creation solely for the sake and pleasure of the Prophet. He told us this in the famous hadith qudsi: "Lawlaka, Lawlaka, ma khalaqtul aflaka". "But for you, but for you, I would not have created the heavens!" and in another version, "..khalaqtul duniya" ..created the world'.
Why? Because the Prophet is the Habib Allah. Enough hadith are evidence of that. The Prophet himself told us "I am the Habib of Allah."
About redemption:
Yes there IS redemption in Islam. You need to read a basic classical tradiotional theology text (e.g. Imam Ghazali's books). Notice the Prophet said 'until a single follower remains in Hell!" The scholars have taken this to mean that some sinful Muslims WILL go to Hell too and then they will be removed after some time from it due to the intercession of the Prophet; others will not go into Hell at all due to the intercession of the Prophet and yet others will be forgiven by Allah directly. Allah knows best.
#133 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 12:46:56 pm
And zahid sahib it can also be ruled out because the prophet himself said, 'do not praise me AS THE CHRISTIANS praised Jesus'. Note he did not say , 'do not praise me'. the only limit was don't go to the same extreme as the christians who attributed divinity to the blessed son of Mary! This hadith is also the basis for the verse of Imam Busiri i quoted earlier.
The Prophet also said something similar in another hadith to Hazrat Ali which meant that your example is like that of Jesus in that two groups of people will be led astray because of you: one for going to extremes in loving you and the other for going to the other extreme of hating you just as the jews were led astray for rejecting and hating Jesus whereas the christians became astray for going to extremes in loving Jesus and turned him into a god!
The Prophet also said something similar in another hadith to Hazrat Ali which meant that your example is like that of Jesus in that two groups of people will be led astray because of you: one for going to extremes in loving you and the other for going to the other extreme of hating you just as the jews were led astray for rejecting and hating Jesus whereas the christians became astray for going to extremes in loving Jesus and turned him into a god!
#132 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 12:37:55 pm
Re: # 129
"I will not be pleased whilst even a single follower of mine remains in Hell!"
Are you implying here redemption from sins?
What about good works then?
"I will not be pleased whilst even a single follower of mine remains in Hell!"
Are you implying here redemption from sins?
What about good works then?
#131 Posted by zahid_e_khushk on October 5, 2007 12:34:57 pm
Dear Naqshbandi Sahib,
Please tell me why should God the creator of this universe beseech Muhammed's attention or satisfaction? He let him die like other living being and will resurrect him in the same fashion.
And why should the followers love Muhammed when he puts the emphasis on man's good works to achieve salvation.
If he wasn't divine then why should he be loved boundlessly?
What's the theological significance of Imam Busiri in this or any regard?
#130 Posted by Naqshbandi on October 5, 2007 12:33:29 pm
Since this limitless love of the Prophet is the cornerstone of Islam and has always been central in traditional Islamic circles --as opposed to modernist Muslims--what is your issue with it zahid sahib?
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