Good on ya Bangladesh!

#55 Posted by IB

“My argument being is that there’s a strong opinion in Karachi and Hyderabad that the Bengalis and other illegal nationalities are discrimination as opposed to Afghans. Why a average Bengali, Burmese is not allowed to open up Business in Lahore? Is my question!!�

Any allegation such as this requires an authentic reference as to when and where the Burmese or the Bengalis were denied to open businesses in Lahore. Recently, I was watching about an NGO which operates schools in Machar colony, a primarily Bengali dominated area, all the businesses such as stores or the small vendors clearly were of Bengali origin. The Fish processing business at least to the point of contractors providing labor were Bengalis. So Bengalis do own the businesses in the area they dominate.
Small businesses in Pakistan are not regulated anyone can open a store or start a thela business anywhere. That has been the tradition in the subcontinent.

I am afraid your statement: “My argument being is that there’s a strong opinion in Karachi and Hyderabad that the Bengalis and other illegal nationalities are discrimination as opposed to Afghans� is just a statement. There are no Bengalis in Hyderabad so how people from Hyderabad could possibly have an opinion about that? Second, since when the urdu speaking from Hyderabad or even Karachi have become the champions of the Bengali rights in Pakistan.

I will refrain from saying something harsh but this new found love for the Bengalis is against the history of Urdu Speaking and Bengali relations in Pakistan especially during the turmoil of 1971 when the Urdu speaking were at the forefront of the campaign against Bengalis not only in East Pakistan but also in West Pakistan.

My thinking is that the Urdu speaking despite the privileges they have been provided in Pakistan, have not been able to overcome the communal sentiments they harbored in central Indian provinces. Their political unity in India depended on communalism and they continue to communalize all the issues in Pakistan also.

Well before the afghan crisis, the Afghans used to come to Pakistan and sell carpets door to door. People all over India before the partition were also familiar with this traditional business that Afghans had for over 100 years or so. I am surprised that your knowledge of our culture, our customs and regular features of our society is pathetically low bordering on ignorance. You comments show a clear lack of knowledge and understanding.

I recommend instead of cheap and fabricated stories you hear from the MQM leadership, you concentrate on learning about Pakistan and its people.

HP Sahib,
Sir someone wise said , ‘character is higher than intellect. A great soul will be strong to live as well as think’
 
And Character we lack as a nation , where we ridiculing facts on basis on of someone's nationality ( Jay-P's valid statement about bias against Pakistanis of Bengali Origin as oppose to Afghans) .
 HP Sahib
a) I agree with your points about the time frame of illegal Bengali Migration to Pakistan (post 1971)
b) I agree with your point regarding Former East Pakistanis was technically still Pakistanis but ‘techicially’ they were considered Aliens. Yes, those Bengalis who were physically present in West Pakistan during the time of Dhaka Fall had no problems.
c) My argument being is that there’s a strong opinion in Karachi and Hyderabad that the Bengalis and other illegal nationalities are discrimination as opposed to Afghans. Why a average Bengali, Burmese is not allowed to open up Business in Lahore? Is my question!!
d) Transport Sector in Karachi at least is controlled by phatans of Attock, Mianwali, Abbotabad and Tribal Areas – Afghans in Karachi are into Carpets ( used as a proxy to export drugs ) , gun crimes, car snatching and spreading religious extremism.
HP Sahib, There are always four sides to a story: your side, their side, the truth and what really happened – with due respect, branding someone idiot or unintelligent just because he/she does not take your view is a bit harsh. ( I do respect your opinions Sir , been a fan since almost 6-8 years )
t-ahmed bhai,
to your dodgy question:
a)      Refuge Properties in Karachi were incidentally distributed by great-great grand father Zafar Ahmed Chishti (who worked was one of the first ICS officers) . I could safely and proudly claim that none was used / abused during his tenure at least from (1947-1949)
b)      We personally left our pensions and estates at Fatehpur Sikri as Direct Decedents of Sheikh Salim Chishti to move to Pakistan to live in a two room government quarter named as Marton Quarters.

#53
"residents of the Former Pakistan were technically still Pakistani. "

Fornmer east Pakistan were technically still Pakistani.

#50 Posted by jayp

“The change to the citizenship act in 1978 required them to get new Id.�

I am just amazed at your persistent idiocy. First you claimed that one millions have been denied citizenship when that was shown to be false you come back with this 1978 gig.
So no one was denied citizenship and some were asked to adjust their status in 1978. That change was important as the residents of the Former Pakistan were technically still Pakistani. But that legal definition is clearly beyond your puny little brain.

“the afghan illegals could set up business, corner the transpot sector because they were not black like the bengalis.�

Afghans as long as they enjoy the refugee status granted to them by the UN are not illegal. However, I do agree that they should remain confined to the Refugee camps. They have not cornered the transport sector. For your limited knowledge of Pakistan you certainly make tall claims. The transport sector in Pakistan is controlled by Pathans of Mianwali and not by Afghans or even the pathans of NWFP. They work as drivers and conductors and cleaners. So much for your stupid arguments and lack of knowledge about Pakistan. ( Mainwali is in Punjab. Imran Khan’s constituency.)

That ends my conversation with you.

#51 Posted by IB
IB,
You continue to amaze me. To read the unintelligent comments from some one who claims to have gone thru the CSS academy is painful.

IB: Ask Jay Thakeray about the low-caste converts who came running to Pakistan.

Jay Thakeray: Ask IB about the hindu property and jobs his papa came running to find in Pakistan in 1947.

PS: The above is an evil Pakistani plot to create rifts between mqm and rss. ;-)

Re: # 50, Jay Bhai-ya,
I agree with you 100% and that's what I had been advocating here . There's a systematic bias against people who migrated from our Eastern Borders.

Another example is of Indian Consulate in Karachi - which is close ( although there is some work going on regarding the re-opening ) but Karachi Consulate is closed just because of good'ol Punjabi's think people living in South especially Mohajirs will do something! another case is opening of borders / trade from Sind Route ?

Why my brothers/sisters from North fail to accept some facts and stop defending such actions is something I could not understand!!!!

HP 31

Some specific comments to your posts

"All Bengalis had Pakistani citizenship whether they lived in Pakistan before or after 1971. So there was no need to give them citizenship again."

That is incorrect. The change to the citizenship act in 1978 required them to get new Id. Many did not do that because it was used to make them comparable to teh urdu speaking beharis who wnated to come to pakistan from bangladesh. the negalis who lived in pakistan were so long were made pawns

"Benaglis living in Bangladesh chose to get a new citizenship of Bangladesh. There was no need to give citizenship (in this case Bengalis in West Pakistan) to people who already had it in Pakistan."

As I said before, the afghan illegals could set up business, corner the transpot sector because they were not black like the bengalis. The bengalis live in slums near the karachi port authority land eking out a living doing menial jobs, all becasue they are not fair complexioned.

There is nothing wrong with this fair complex, not many pakis dare to admit it as the reason for the plight of the bengalis vis vis that of the afghans.

HP # 31


Pl do not dismiss the calim based some pakistani view that teh bangladeshis are all illegal immigrants , well how did they come in such large numbers????

What pakistanis call as illegal immigrants are actually erstwhile east pakistanis, bengali speaking, who were denied citzenship by an amendment to teh citizenship act...now read on
///////////////// if you care check up on the legislation and other matters.

"While many Bangla speakers in Pakistan arrived relatively recently, there is also the challenge of adjudicating the citizenship claims of Bengalis whose residence dates to the 24 years between the 1947 partition and Bangladeshi independence. The same federal committee that issued the recommendation about white passports also proposed granting Pakistani citizenship to Bengalis – not Bangladeshis – living in (West) Pakistan before the Bengali nationalist capture of Dhaka on 16 December 1971. After Bangladesh’s war of independence, fewer than 25,000 Bengalis opted to remain in Pakistan, according to NARA director general Shaikh, while most of the rest migrated to the former eastern wing. A 1978 amendment to the Citizenship Act nullified the Pakistani citizenship of those domiciled in erstwhile East Pakistan. Bengalis remaining in Pakistan were required to submit a Form E-I to the home department of their province of residence and apply for citizenship, although according to the Sindh home department, no Bengalis submitted such forms in that province after the war. Many of these people have led a precarious legal existence for the past three decades.

The government committee also held meetings with Bengali community representatives and, in response to concerns that they lack documentary proof of residence, proposed that local police officials be empowered to recommend the granting of citizenship after verification. Critics, however, say that this proposal would only lead to massive corruption among police officers. Another widely shared concern among non-citizen residents is the suspicion that the entire government registration process is merely a plot to launch deportation proceedings once particulars are known to authorities. Interior ministry officials dismiss this claim, and note that none of the 35,000 migrants registered to date have been deported. “On the contrary, we are trying to resolve their civic and social problems, including extending them educational, health and other facilities�, says one official. He also discloses that the government committee has been asked to review other countries’ immigration and citizenship policies in order to suggest improvements in Pakistan’s system."

Re: # 47
Probably the recommendation to seperate religion from state makes sense?

Re: maffrejal #24
“I just got a thought. does this mean Pakistan is not about islam? If so, should not they accept any Muslim who wants to be a citizen of pakistan? thinking further “

There you go again, taking pot shots at the Pakistani identity. Any attempt to answer your questions would confuse the hell out of an average Pakistani.


Regards,

Faruk

Re: # 43

Cool, now you are expert in psychobabble also?
You Pakistanis are amazing, no wonder you needed
a country for yourselves!

First of all Ahmer Sahib, you need an Editor.

But that said (I often use an Editor too)

you have written an article that is not only right on the

money but better than what many of us could have written.

This issue has been a major problem with the GOP.

tahmed sahib and others should put a cork in it this time.

I was recently thinking about the "Right of Return" of

Nawaz Sharif and how citizens of Pakistan cannot be kept

away. I had agreed with that but would someone please file

a lawsuit against the GOP for keeping the Stranded

Pakistanis in Bangladesh away from this same right?

Maybe the "new found" powers of the Supreme Court can be

used here too.

And just maybe someone we know can take up this case when

he has time and energy left over from putting down Gandhi

and now ZAB.

The plight of the stranded Pakistanis is a national shame.

And I have heard every excuse possible for denying them

the right of returning to Pakistan. The worst excuse was

that Bangladesh was a brotherly Muslim country and should

take them.

I can only wait for the day when these hypocrites will

shut up and someone will do the right thing.

I spent years with these people called "Biharis"

This is personal!

Ras

The only hindoo women ..in america specially... that hate pakistanis r usually the ones that pakistanis refuse to date. Now thats not fair...i know that they need reall beef eating men 2 but wat r we suppose to do with our sense of smell? N if its really a matter of life n death for them than can't they find a friend who would have running water in there bathrooms n maybe they can take a shower..n while they r thRowing caution to the wind ..deodrant might not be bad idea either...ohh yeah n wipe that disgusting dot as well...one last thing i promise...its called cooking oil..please leave it for cooking...ur head is not capable of frying onions

shishapa,

The way you guys spend your entire lives abusing Pakistan and Pakistanis makes one think that you guys have pathetic personal lives... and even less confidence in your "shining" India.

Fking Pakistani they got Pakistani in the name of All the muslims of Indian subcontinent its another matter people like Moulana Azad ,Himayun Kabir and Even Dilip Kumar Saira Banu were saw these idiots wanting everything but giving nothing sala cheat

Stop all this philosophical crap!! Those Bangla Desis did not have real estate to bring with them, unlike kashmiris about whom Pakis have wet dreams that they will bring one to the Land of Pure.