Good on ya Bangladesh!

Are any refugees legit?
Afghans came to Pakistan illegally just as Bengalis came to Pakistan. What would you call Refuges who never reported to the Refuge Camps? It is estimated that 2/3 of the Afghan’s never reported to any authorities in Pakistan and still they were offered Registration Facilities whereas, other nationalities were ignored. There is certainly institutional bias against Bengalis – where they are left out to be hounded by FIA and sometimes Police. Thanks to MQM – a lot of them become nationals.

T-Ahmed you wrote,
"my problem is with the mqm-types among them - individuals who berate other ethnicities in Pakistan and individuals who support the dictatorship on the basis of ethnic affiliations."

Aha, I think it’s the Ponjabi’s through there Punjabigardi are the one’s creating divisions amoung Pakistanis. They presume that Pakistan is Punjabistan and that other ethnicities living are alien creatures.
MQM – supports Mushraff not because he’s a urdu speaking man but because he is fair to other provinces apart from him being a liberal and a honest man unlike Punjabis who hate Muhsraff just because he’s not Punjabi.

#35 Posted by shishapa on October 3, 2007 6:16:39 am

Oh you just have an inferiority complex because manto's dad drives a maybach(cough cough) and yours doesn't.

#36 Posted by IB
“there’s a systematic bias against illegal Bengalis, Burmese and Srilankan(s) in Pakistan ; whereas GoP gave over 2.15 million ‘Afghan Registration Cards’ – while ignoring over 1 million other illegal nationalities in Pakistan.”

Again you make wrong assumptions. The Bengalis, Burmese and the Srilankans are illegal immigrants whereas the afghanis are legitimate refugees and they have been given this status by both Pakistan and the UN.
Afghanis are given registration cards based on their refugee status. I am surprised at your putting this as bias where there is none, at least officially.

Afghani involved in crimes is a different matter and that needs to be handled by the police and other crime prevention agencies.

Thanks for your offer.

#6 Tahmed

"as for mohajirs in Pakistan, i dont have a problem with what anyone among them chooses to call himself."

I have a BIG problem if a Pakistani were to call themselves a Hindustani. That is why I object to anyone calling me a HindustanRaa. Or whatever. Formation of Pakistan was never for me – or mine – a beeelundur!

"my problem is with the mqm-types among them - individuals who berate other ethnicities in Pakistan and individuals who support the dictatorship on the basis of ethnic affiliations."

So we are speaking the same language then. I too say my problem is with the jaag panjabi jaag-types who berate other ethnicities in Pakistan and individuals who support political leaders on the basis of affiliations. I would never vote for a party whose leader calls me a chooha.

As for the name Mohajir re Pakistan - so last century!

United we stand…and grow and prosper.

JAAG PAKISTANI JAAG

Okay, I somehow missed on a point that there’s a systematic bias against illegal Bengalis, Burmese and Srilankan(s) in Pakistan ; whereas GoP gave over 2.15 million ‘Afghan Registration Cards’ – while ignoring over 1 million other illegal nationalities in Pakistan.
As opposed to Bengalis, Burmese who are generally law abiding people , Afghans are involved in all sorts of crime – such as encroachments, drugs, prostitution, Islamic Extremism, propagation of banned-religious hate literature and suicide bombings.

Re: # 33

Hmm this is interesting.
Sochanewali baat hai kay, why should Indians harbor
inferiority complex towards Pakistan?
What does Pakistan has that India is lacking?
I think only thing ahead Pakistan is ahead is
mistreating its minorities, may be squash and
billiards, and hockey.
But what else is there to feel inferiority about?
May be geographic location????

HP Sahib,
Sir, if you go back to my posts – what I said ‘ that the illegal migration from Bangladesh started post – 1971 fiasco.

On applying for a Permenent Pakistani Residence – one of the most difficult / major step is to get a NoC Letter from F.I.A and establish genuine grounds for your stay in Pakistan.
As to your mis-conception about greasing clerks and getting a Pakistani Citizen – that could have been a fair assesment uptill 2002 but not now thanks to a better co-ordination from NADRA, Local Councils, FIA and Ministry of Interior.
For Aliens in Pakistan – very few people know that there’s a organization formed by the Pakistani Government named National Aliens Registration Authority (NARA). It is claimed by some that the atleast 10% of the whole population of Karachi is illegal ( majority of them Afghan Nationals , Bengalis and Burmese).
The classical case of any illegal to come to Pakistan was to first get a NIC domicile certificate – which thanks to NADRA , Local Councils and relevant agencies stopped.
Bengali Community ( apart from others ) constitutes a high percentage of MQM votes where on occasions Town Nazim’s , Councellers of atleast Orangi Town were Illegal Bengalis.
FIA has a large stake in promoting illegal’s so that they could blackmail and get money from poor Bengalis, Burmese and Afghans to get money.
These Bengalis , Burmese are hard working people – and are very poor ; I personally believe that GoP should give them a chance – although GoP started a Refuge Registration Card for Afghans ; we somehow forget those who migrated from our eastern borders!
Sucide Bomber which killed Alama Turabi in Karachi turned out to be a illegal Burmese.

PS. Sir, I never claimed that I am a IB officer - I work for the police. You are more than welcome to have a cup of tea ,coffee . A message away!

jayp is worth no one's time. Poor guy is still scalded from something some Pakistani did to him 10 years ago.

He is a poignant commentary on the inferiority complex that every Indian harbors towards Pakistan really.

#29 Posted by majumdar

Dada,
It seems to me that you are losing it too. Put you thinking hat on before posting!

#27 Posted by jayp

“There are more than a million bangladeshis in pakistan who were working in pakistan at the time of war, and have not been given citizenship by the pakistanis.”

You are really not worth my time but #28 Posted by IB agreeing with you made me check your post.
IB,

All Bengalis had Pakistani citizenship whether they lived in Pakistan before or after 1971. So there was no need to give them citizenship again. Benaglis living in Bangladesh chose to get a new citizenship of Bangladesh. There was no need to give citizenship (in this case Bengalis in West Pakistan) to people who already had it in Pakistan.
There are tons of Bengalis in Karachi now that are Pakistani citizens. Gulshan ara syed went back to Bangldesh and came back with her husband and now lives in Isloo with her Husband Shoukat (a friend of mine) and they both have Pakistani citizenship. Shabnum and her husband Robin Ghosh lived in Pakistan long after 1971 and both had Pakistani citizenship.

Getting Pakistani citizenship is the easiest thing. All you got to do is get an ID card (it costs money, grease the palm of the ID clerks) and apply for the Passport. Lots of Bengalis who came to Karachi long after 1971 for jobs hold Pakistani ID cards and can get the Passport.

I just can’t believe that you don’t have basic information about Pakistan and pretend to be some IB officer.

Re: # 29,
according at the time of fall of Dhaka, virtually all the Bangali's working in West Pakistan were Pakistani Nationals it was illegal migration from Bangladesh afterwards.

Tahmed sahib,

If what Jayp has written "There are more than a million bangladeshis in pakistan who were working in pakistan at the time of war, and have not been given citizenship by the Pakistanis" is true, then this is a serious charge against the GoP.

Jayp,

The aforesaid charges that you have raised are serious enuff. But the question is have they been staying there since 1971 and have they ACTUALLY requested for a Pak citizenship. In case they haven't asked for Paki citizenship then one can't blame the GoP for it.

Regards

I agree 100% with jayp on this one!

There is somethinmg no pakistani wants to talk about.

There are more than a million bangladeshis in pakistan who were working in pakistan at the time of war, and have not been given citizenship by the pakistanis.

These are the bengali muslims of pakistan, who cannot be muslims according to tahmed definition, not fair, period.

This is teh tragedy of pakistan, there is YLh whose only claim to fame is that his ancestry can be traced to saudi.
The man is supposed to be educated, and all that he is proud of is his blood line.

If ylj is the educated, even allah cannot save the illiterate

tahmed,

as you continue calling me names, read this from a rare fellow pakistani.

from jang opinion column of today

As a general rule, Pakistanis are not happy with opinions that differ from their own. And we are unable to convey our dissatisfaction in a parliamentary, professional manner. Our Achilles' heel is to confuse the other person's difference of opinion as a personal attack on us. And, God help us, we launch into the greatest ad hominem attack there can be. Suddenly, the discussion is gone, but parents and ancestors have been exhumed and reburied. Maternal raising of children is criticised and, Lord help me, one's opponent in the argument is now either illegitimate or spreading his seed far and wide! Amazingly, one would think that the fair sex would not indulge in this Internet street-like behaviour. But alas, anger really produces a brief psychosis, and words burn my computer screen as they do the heart.

People form informal alliances based on these discussions, for it is hard to forget that insult on your laptop and the comfort that came from another friend right after. We forget the argument and begin to concentrate on personalities.

er, good one Bangladesh !!!
here thanks to Punjabigardi, the Ponjabi's feels that Pakistan is Punjabistan and no one else belongs there.
MQM tried very hard to bring the Beharis back but apart from 1200 off families the Punjabis never gave the go-ahead.