Ahmer Muzammil September 28, 2007
#1 Posted by vanguard on October 2, 2007 11:14:44 am
I was about to write a similar post but you did a much better job. Great piece of writing. If only we could that same chain of events right now.
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Ibrahim M Khalil
#2 Posted by jang on October 2, 2007 11:24:08 am
this is good news...now that the unfortunate soles are accepted, soon the legs will follow.
#3 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 11:51:25 am
Ahmer: For 36 years, Bangladesh refused to give nationality to individuals living on its soil, virtually all of them born in Bangladesh and having spent their entire lives there.
So, please tell me why you are applauding the Bangladesh government?
So, please tell me why you are applauding the Bangladesh government?
#4 Posted by vanguard on October 2, 2007 12:11:56 pm
#3
Bangladeshi government needs to be applauded for accepting the traitors (which is a soft word)_ those who sided with Pakistan Army in pillaging, murdering, killing, and raping of the bangladeshi nation. It take a big heart to forgive and accept them.
Unlike the Mohajirs of Pakistan who have yet to become a part of this country and still call themselves Hindustani. I think anyone calling himself hindustani ( i am myself part of the community) should be sent to India to live in camps along the lines of stranded Pakistanis.
Bangladeshi government needs to be applauded for accepting the traitors (which is a soft word)_ those who sided with Pakistan Army in pillaging, murdering, killing, and raping of the bangladeshi nation. It take a big heart to forgive and accept them.
Unlike the Mohajirs of Pakistan who have yet to become a part of this country and still call themselves Hindustani. I think anyone calling himself hindustani ( i am myself part of the community) should be sent to India to live in camps along the lines of stranded Pakistanis.
#5 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 12:17:51 pm
vanguard #4 agreed. i was just questioning whether 36 years late deserves these accolades.
#6 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 12:24:30 pm
and just to add to #5: you cant brand an entire community to be traitors or berate them in any way. the bangladesh government, if it wanted to do the right thing, should have investigated and tried any individuals suspected of war crimes (i.e. killing of unarmed civilians), rather than tainting the entire community and leaving it in limbo.
as for mohajirs in Pakistan, i dont have a problem with what anyone among them chooses to call himself. my problem is with the mqm-types among them - individuals who berate other ethnicities in Pakistan and individuals who support the dictatorship on the basis of ethnic affiliations.
as for mohajirs in Pakistan, i dont have a problem with what anyone among them chooses to call himself. my problem is with the mqm-types among them - individuals who berate other ethnicities in Pakistan and individuals who support the dictatorship on the basis of ethnic affiliations.
#7 Posted by abu_safwaan on October 2, 2007 12:51:59 pm
Tahmed: r u seriously griping at bangladesh for not giving medal of honors to the community that was inherently against the inception of there country not just only on theoratical level but actually fought to prevent it? R u really this dense or r u pretending?
#8 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 3:21:35 pm
#7 abu safwan: please read carefully what I have written, and you will see that far from calling for medal of honors i am saying that "should have investigated and tried any individuals suspected of war crimes (i.e. killing of unarmed civilians)". Yes, I am distinguishing between guilty individuals and the entire community, and I hope you dont think that is an invalid distinction.
#9 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2007 3:48:18 pm
Ref vanguard #4 and abu_safwaan #7
Don't try to have a reasoned discussion with Chowk's resident mullah. He would be for not branding all Biharis in Bangladesh as traitors while simultaneously branding all Hindus black for the retaliation against Muslims AFTER they torched a train carrying Hindu pilgrims in a Hindu-majority country.
He has one standard of justice for Pakistanis, one for Muslims and another for the rest of the world. And Bangladeshis, not being tall or fair and not wearing shalwar-kameezes, cannot be Muslims!
Don't try to have a reasoned discussion with Chowk's resident mullah. He would be for not branding all Biharis in Bangladesh as traitors while simultaneously branding all Hindus black for the retaliation against Muslims AFTER they torched a train carrying Hindu pilgrims in a Hindu-majority country.
He has one standard of justice for Pakistanis, one for Muslims and another for the rest of the world. And Bangladeshis, not being tall or fair and not wearing shalwar-kameezes, cannot be Muslims!
#10 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 5:55:20 pm
#9 harimau: i am glad truth i told you years ago is still hurting you. and is this truth so hard to bear that you have to make up lies (in true idiotlogue fashion) about my branding all hindus black, when i never said anything of the kind. The truth is that it is you who has been justifying (and still stick to this view, per your post below!!) the brutal killing of thousands of muslims in their homes as being justifiable revenge for the "torching of hindu pilgrims in a hindu-majority country".
And i never said the rest of your bs (tall fair crap).
This must be the first post i have written to you in the past couple of years - and it is the last. You are incapable of changing your mindset, and will be reborn as a caterpillar along with jay thakeray and the rest of your RSS goons.
And i never said the rest of your bs (tall fair crap).
This must be the first post i have written to you in the past couple of years - and it is the last. You are incapable of changing your mindset, and will be reborn as a caterpillar along with jay thakeray and the rest of your RSS goons.
#11 Posted by majumdar on October 2, 2007 7:52:03 pm
Tahmed sahib,
Der aaye durust aaye. Govt. of Bdesh may have been late in acknowledging the stranded Pakistanis but finally they did, the Govt. of Pak has yet to acknowledge. Kudos to the B'deshi people and their Govt.
Regards
PS: How come Salimbhai hasn't joined in yet.
Der aaye durust aaye. Govt. of Bdesh may have been late in acknowledging the stranded Pakistanis but finally they did, the Govt. of Pak has yet to acknowledge. Kudos to the B'deshi people and their Govt.
Regards
PS: How come Salimbhai hasn't joined in yet.
#12 Posted by harimau on October 2, 2007 8:05:24 pm
Ref Mullah32 #10
[#9 harimau:
You are incapable of changing your mindset, and will be reborn as a caterpillar along with jay thakeray and the rest of your RSS goons.]
When I am born a caterpillar, you would still be my sh!t.
[#9 harimau:
You are incapable of changing your mindset, and will be reborn as a caterpillar along with jay thakeray and the rest of your RSS goons.]
When I am born a caterpillar, you would still be my sh!t.
#13 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 8:24:25 pm
harimau#12 that was a very clever reply.
of course, it fails to respond to anything i wrote about your lies (an idiotlogue specialty it seems) and about your inability to understand why there is no excuse for murdering innocent people.
of course, it fails to respond to anything i wrote about your lies (an idiotlogue specialty it seems) and about your inability to understand why there is no excuse for murdering innocent people.
#14 Posted by tahmed32 on October 2, 2007 8:56:55 pm
majumdar #11 what would be correct is if the pakistan government did what i suggested earlier below the bangladesh government should have done and never did - i.e identify those individuals living in pakistan and bangladesh respectively who were guilty of war crimes (i.e. attacking innocent people) and bring them to justice.
wrt to transfer of populations, there was never any explicit formula drawn up as far as i know, and so the de facto rule applied was to allow individuals domiciled in former west pakistani provinces to return to pakistan, and for individuals domiciled in former east pakistan to stay there. So, contrary to what you believe and what this article indicates, the pakistan government never had the same obligation to accept these people, and so the bangladesh government has merely permitted 36 years to pass before doing what it should have done right away.
wrt to transfer of populations, there was never any explicit formula drawn up as far as i know, and so the de facto rule applied was to allow individuals domiciled in former west pakistani provinces to return to pakistan, and for individuals domiciled in former east pakistan to stay there. So, contrary to what you believe and what this article indicates, the pakistan government never had the same obligation to accept these people, and so the bangladesh government has merely permitted 36 years to pass before doing what it should have done right away.
#15 Posted by majumdar on October 2, 2007 9:12:13 pm
Tahmed sahib,
The "stranded Pakistanis" had migrated from India to Pakistan, not Bdesh. During the 1970-71, many of these people fought on the behalf of Pakistan against Bengalis. After Bdesh broke up, they wanted to be citizens of Pakistan, not Bdesh. There may not have been a legal obligation to repatriate these people to Pakistan but I do see a clear moral obligation towards them.
And if there was no legal obligation towards them the GoP may well have said so openly "Look it was your mistake to have fought for us and to want to be Pakistanis now. But there is no legal obligation on our side so we aint taking you back, so get lost"
Regards
The "stranded Pakistanis" had migrated from India to Pakistan, not Bdesh. During the 1970-71, many of these people fought on the behalf of Pakistan against Bengalis. After Bdesh broke up, they wanted to be citizens of Pakistan, not Bdesh. There may not have been a legal obligation to repatriate these people to Pakistan but I do see a clear moral obligation towards them.
And if there was no legal obligation towards them the GoP may well have said so openly "Look it was your mistake to have fought for us and to want to be Pakistanis now. But there is no legal obligation on our side so we aint taking you back, so get lost"
Regards
#16 Posted by harish_hyd on October 2, 2007 9:36:11 pm
#15 by majumdar
The "stranded Pakistanis" had migrated from India to Pakistan, not Bdesh.
Even if there was no legal obligation, not even Pakis bitterly opposed to their acceptance deny that these folks fought for Pakistan, so it is the moral obligation of the Paki govt. to have accepted them. Instead we find folks like tahmed32 vehemently arguing against their repatriation to Pakistan. If this is what the average Paki thinks (thankfully there are scores arguing against this position), B'deshi citizenship is the best thing that could have happened to them.
The "stranded Pakistanis" had migrated from India to Pakistan, not Bdesh.
Even if there was no legal obligation, not even Pakis bitterly opposed to their acceptance deny that these folks fought for Pakistan, so it is the moral obligation of the Paki govt. to have accepted them. Instead we find folks like tahmed32 vehemently arguing against their repatriation to Pakistan. If this is what the average Paki thinks (thankfully there are scores arguing against this position), B'deshi citizenship is the best thing that could have happened to them.
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