Khalid Sohail October 3, 2007
#1 Posted by IB on October 4, 2007 3:03:39 am
Acha it’s interesting to note I was a social drinker during my early teens and crossed benchmarks (as far as consuming alcohol) courtesy of our bootlegger but somehow when I went to England for further drinks somehow I found alcohol to be disgustful. Could anyone explain?
#2 Posted by masadi on October 4, 2007 7:19:28 am
The author writes "for the first 20 years of my life, most people I met had a moralistic and judgmental attitude towards alcohol as they considered consuming even small amounts of alcohol immoral,illegal and sinful. For them there were either teetotalers or alcoholics. They did not approve of social and recreational drinking, and a rational discussion about alcohol was conspicuous by its absence. On the other hand in the West where I have lived for the last 30 years of my life, attitudes towards alcohol use and abuse are based on science, psychology and cultural traditions,"
Another disgraceful article by the Mohammed Gill's co-conspirator, a mass-producer of tape-recorderesque articles whose purpose is to show the West in the best light possibe even when it involves a disease that of alcohol and alcoholism that is destroying their society. In order to sanitize it, he terms it "science and psychology". There is no science and psychology behind alcohol consumption in the West, most people know sh** about the science behind alcohol, they consume it for its euphoric and or social benefit effect, those that consume it, be it socially, most have abused it at some time or the other. With addictive substances like alcohol whose "harms far exceed any benefit" it might provide as a beverage, it is certainly an all or none, scenario, so the people you are berating are actually very smart thanks to the Quran.
Consider some of these facts:
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Copy paste from my article on Alcohol, http://www.geocities.com/sociohistory/alcohol.htm
1) 60-70% of all crime involves alcohol and/or other intoxicating drugs. Almost 50% of all violent crimes involve alcohol. Twenty-four percent of Federal inmates and 49% of State inmates reported that they were under the influence of alcohol or illicit drugs at the time of their current offense. 36.3% were under the influence of alcohol alone. Federal research also shows that more than 40% of convicted murderers being held in jail or State prison, had alcohol as a factor in their crime. Extensive data is available to show the relationship between violent crime and alcohol. In the United Kingdom, the British Medical Association, advised the Parliament that alcohol is a factor in: • 60-70% of homicides • 75% of stabbings • 70% of beatings • 50% of fights and domestic assaults. According to the Seventh Special Report to the U.S Congress on Alcohol and Health, "In both animal and human studies, alcohol more than any other drug, has been linked with a high incidence of violence and aggression."
Alcohol temporarily increases brain serotonin function, but after that temporary rise, levels of serotonin fall below the normal level. This reduced serotonin level is linked to a heightened vulnerability to depression, increased risk of violent suicide, aggressive and impulsive behavior, and a tendency to further abuse alcohol, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Alcohol consumption in any amount leads biologically (through serotonin) to a tendency to abuse it. There is no such thing as “responsible� drinking on a society-wide level.
"…Alcohol, the oldest and most prevalent cause of addiction, is by far the most prolific activator and deactivator of brain centers. Nothing else comes close. Not cocaine, not heroin, not nicotine…Using PET scanners, University of Chicago scientists studied the effects of alcohol on the brain. Since alcohol affects the pleasure centers of the brain (the limbic network in the mid brain), it is directly responsible for compulsion, addiction and craving." (Kotulak 1997:111)
"But to modern scientists, the discovery of alcohol's ability to turn on the brain's reward system is the key to understanding how alcohol creates a craving so intense that it makes emotion rule over reason. When a person slips into dependence, alcohol craving becomes a drive as powerful as the need for food, water, sleep and sex."(Kotulak 1997:116)
2) Nearly 50% of Automobile fatalities in the U.S. are linked to Alcohol (one death every 11 minutes according to 1990 estimates). Forty percent of all fatal motor vehicle crashes involve alcohol. Drunk driving is the nation's most frequently committed violent act. In 1990, 22,083 people died in car accidents involving alcohol. This is equivalent to three fully loaded 747s crashing three times a week, every week for a year. About two in every five Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related car crash sometimes in their lives. (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3121/statistics.html).
3) Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) results in mental and physical retardation of the newborn. The incidence of FAS in the United States is 1.9 cases per every 1000 births. Birth defects other than FAS linked to alcohol use are 1 in every 100 births. Statistically these numbers are huge. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the net rates for FAS are 1 in 500 for US, Canada, Europe and Australia combined. In 1991, The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) is the leading known cause of mental retardation in Western Civilization (see http://come-over.to/FAS)
4) As many as half the young offenders appearing in provincial court may be there because their mothers drank (alcohol) during pregnancy, says Royal University Hospital psychologist Josephine Nanson. (See, http://www.treefort.org/~tjk/fas/zakreski.htm).
5) Almost 78% of all assaults, most of them involving men beating women, are committed under the influence of alcohol. In the United States, a man beats a woman every 15 seconds. Two-thirds (75%) of partner abuse victims in the US report that alcohol had been a factor. For spouse abuse victims, the offender was drinking three out of four times (See, http://www.tf.org/alcohol/ariv/reviews/dvrev5.html)
6) Alcohol causes permanent damage to the brain, liver and most internal organs of the consumer. It is a poison, which the body tries to get rid of the moment it is consumed. An enzyme in the stomach, alcohol dehydrogenase, tries to neutralize the ethanol content in alcoholic beverages, treating it as a poison. Since women have a higher proportion of body fat and less water in their bodies, this means that alcohol will be less diluted and have a greater effect on them compared to men. Also, the enzyme in the stomach that neutralizes ethanol, alcohol dehydrogenase, in women is 70-80% less effective than it is in men. Alcohol, therefore, causes even greater harm to women. In women that drink heavily, cirrhosis of the liver sets in within 13 years compared to the 22 years for men (see http://www.alcohol.or/nz).
7) Alcohol acts as a "stepping-stone" for other "higher" drugs like Marijuana, Cocaine and Heroine. Those who don't do alcohol don't experiment with other drugs (Siegel, Sienna 1994). This is in contrast to “stimulants� like caffeine, which don't figure out in this “stepping stone�.
According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), treatment data suggests, “Increasing proportions of persons treated for alcohol problems also have drug problems.� Thus, the “drug war� can never be won without outlawing alcohol.
8) According to NIDA, the economic cost to society of alcohol was estimated at $148 billion in 1992. When adjusted for inflation and population growth, the cost increases over 12.5% every year. (See http://www.nida.nih.gov/EconomicCosts/Index.html).
Another disgraceful article by the Mohammed Gill's co-conspirator, a mass-producer of tape-recorderesque articles whose purpose is to show the West in the best light possibe even when it involves a disease that of alcohol and alcoholism that is destroying their society. In order to sanitize it, he terms it "science and psychology". There is no science and psychology behind alcohol consumption in the West, most people know sh** about the science behind alcohol, they consume it for its euphoric and or social benefit effect, those that consume it, be it socially, most have abused it at some time or the other. With addictive substances like alcohol whose "harms far exceed any benefit" it might provide as a beverage, it is certainly an all or none, scenario, so the people you are berating are actually very smart thanks to the Quran.
Consider some of these facts:
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Copy paste from my article on Alcohol, http://www.geocities.com/sociohistory/alcohol.htm
1) 60-70% of all crime involves alcohol and/or other intoxicating drugs. Almost 50% of all violent crimes involve alcohol. Twenty-four percent of Federal inmates and 49% of State inmates reported that they were under the influence of alcohol or illicit drugs at the time of their current offense. 36.3% were under the influence of alcohol alone. Federal research also shows that more than 40% of convicted murderers being held in jail or State prison, had alcohol as a factor in their crime. Extensive data is available to show the relationship between violent crime and alcohol. In the United Kingdom, the British Medical Association, advised the Parliament that alcohol is a factor in: • 60-70% of homicides • 75% of stabbings • 70% of beatings • 50% of fights and domestic assaults. According to the Seventh Special Report to the U.S Congress on Alcohol and Health, "In both animal and human studies, alcohol more than any other drug, has been linked with a high incidence of violence and aggression."
Alcohol temporarily increases brain serotonin function, but after that temporary rise, levels of serotonin fall below the normal level. This reduced serotonin level is linked to a heightened vulnerability to depression, increased risk of violent suicide, aggressive and impulsive behavior, and a tendency to further abuse alcohol, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Alcohol consumption in any amount leads biologically (through serotonin) to a tendency to abuse it. There is no such thing as “responsible� drinking on a society-wide level.
"…Alcohol, the oldest and most prevalent cause of addiction, is by far the most prolific activator and deactivator of brain centers. Nothing else comes close. Not cocaine, not heroin, not nicotine…Using PET scanners, University of Chicago scientists studied the effects of alcohol on the brain. Since alcohol affects the pleasure centers of the brain (the limbic network in the mid brain), it is directly responsible for compulsion, addiction and craving." (Kotulak 1997:111)
"But to modern scientists, the discovery of alcohol's ability to turn on the brain's reward system is the key to understanding how alcohol creates a craving so intense that it makes emotion rule over reason. When a person slips into dependence, alcohol craving becomes a drive as powerful as the need for food, water, sleep and sex."(Kotulak 1997:116)
2) Nearly 50% of Automobile fatalities in the U.S. are linked to Alcohol (one death every 11 minutes according to 1990 estimates). Forty percent of all fatal motor vehicle crashes involve alcohol. Drunk driving is the nation's most frequently committed violent act. In 1990, 22,083 people died in car accidents involving alcohol. This is equivalent to three fully loaded 747s crashing three times a week, every week for a year. About two in every five Americans will be involved in an alcohol-related car crash sometimes in their lives. (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3121/statistics.html).
3) Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) results in mental and physical retardation of the newborn. The incidence of FAS in the United States is 1.9 cases per every 1000 births. Birth defects other than FAS linked to alcohol use are 1 in every 100 births. Statistically these numbers are huge. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), the net rates for FAS are 1 in 500 for US, Canada, Europe and Australia combined. In 1991, The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) reported that FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome) is the leading known cause of mental retardation in Western Civilization (see http://come-over.to/FAS)
4) As many as half the young offenders appearing in provincial court may be there because their mothers drank (alcohol) during pregnancy, says Royal University Hospital psychologist Josephine Nanson. (See, http://www.treefort.org/~tjk/fas/zakreski.htm).
5) Almost 78% of all assaults, most of them involving men beating women, are committed under the influence of alcohol. In the United States, a man beats a woman every 15 seconds. Two-thirds (75%) of partner abuse victims in the US report that alcohol had been a factor. For spouse abuse victims, the offender was drinking three out of four times (See, http://www.tf.org/alcohol/ariv/reviews/dvrev5.html)
6) Alcohol causes permanent damage to the brain, liver and most internal organs of the consumer. It is a poison, which the body tries to get rid of the moment it is consumed. An enzyme in the stomach, alcohol dehydrogenase, tries to neutralize the ethanol content in alcoholic beverages, treating it as a poison. Since women have a higher proportion of body fat and less water in their bodies, this means that alcohol will be less diluted and have a greater effect on them compared to men. Also, the enzyme in the stomach that neutralizes ethanol, alcohol dehydrogenase, in women is 70-80% less effective than it is in men. Alcohol, therefore, causes even greater harm to women. In women that drink heavily, cirrhosis of the liver sets in within 13 years compared to the 22 years for men (see http://www.alcohol.or/nz).
7) Alcohol acts as a "stepping-stone" for other "higher" drugs like Marijuana, Cocaine and Heroine. Those who don't do alcohol don't experiment with other drugs (Siegel, Sienna 1994). This is in contrast to “stimulants� like caffeine, which don't figure out in this “stepping stone�.
According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), treatment data suggests, “Increasing proportions of persons treated for alcohol problems also have drug problems.� Thus, the “drug war� can never be won without outlawing alcohol.
8) According to NIDA, the economic cost to society of alcohol was estimated at $148 billion in 1992. When adjusted for inflation and population growth, the cost increases over 12.5% every year. (See http://www.nida.nih.gov/EconomicCosts/Index.html).
#3 Posted by malikjahanzeb on October 4, 2007 8:23:42 am
Dr. Sohail,
Nice informative article.
When I came across your article, without giving a careful look, I thought it would be discussing the enigma of Pakistani people in their dealing with alcohol. I think a lot can to be said about how alcohol was demonized slowly after the gora left our country, putting 'taboot mein aakhri keel' in Zia's era, so that people like me were raised knowing that it is the worst thing in the world a person could use. I think such a demonized view of alcohol (which is just a simple chemical) affects children's psychology in Pakistan in a very destructive way, espcially in the way they judge people (or nations) who have something to do with alcohol.
So, how about an article about that?
Nice informative article.
When I came across your article, without giving a careful look, I thought it would be discussing the enigma of Pakistani people in their dealing with alcohol. I think a lot can to be said about how alcohol was demonized slowly after the gora left our country, putting 'taboot mein aakhri keel' in Zia's era, so that people like me were raised knowing that it is the worst thing in the world a person could use. I think such a demonized view of alcohol (which is just a simple chemical) affects children's psychology in Pakistan in a very destructive way, espcially in the way they judge people (or nations) who have something to do with alcohol.
So, how about an article about that?
#4 Posted by malikjahanzeb on October 4, 2007 8:28:57 am
And by the way, this new web 2.0 look of chowk is simply disgusting. As if, they were given the task to make this website horrible.
e.g. articles and comments are not on the same page. So much stuff is crammed in one place, giving me an irritating feeling. Font sizes have gone small. Ads are taking too much space on the right side. Everything is in narrow columns, there's no 'width' I felt comfortable with.
May be its only me....
e.g. articles and comments are not on the same page. So much stuff is crammed in one place, giving me an irritating feeling. Font sizes have gone small. Ads are taking too much space on the right side. Everything is in narrow columns, there's no 'width' I felt comfortable with.
May be its only me....
#5 Posted by b_banth on October 4, 2007 9:42:17 am
“Be clear about “drinking� and “Alcoholism�. Drinking is neither character of defect nor a disease. However alcoholism is a disease. Both can be differentiated observing consequences. Satisfying news is that alcoholism is curable�
Drinking and alcoholism go side by side. Both are products of drinking culture. Simple molecular make up of alcohol create potential for easy access to brain cells. At low doses universe being perceived as splendid creature and person feels jazzed, jubilant, talkative and euphoric. As soon as he increases intake, natural deterrent alarms and nausatic feelings emerge.
Alcoholic’s liver is no more effectively functional and converts alcohol into a toxin, called acetaldehyde. This metabolic error leads to accumulation of acetaldehyde in blood. You know acetaldehyde is a poison.
Here are important things to remember about alcoholism:
• Alcoholism is a Bio, Psycho, Social and Spiritual disease. Its start in the body affects the mind and destroys life. Psychological damage is the result and not cause of alcoholism.
• It left untreated, it progress and become fatal.
• At some point, the drinking pattern begins to diverge; those who are destined to become alcoholic start to drink more and more often.
• Alcohol is very rich in calories too. These calories can not be stored and are to be consumed at once. So, the energy “kick� is it’s most deadly characteristic.
• In early hidden stage of alcoholism, the only visible difference between the alcoholic and the non-alcoholic is improved performance in the alcoholic when he drinks.
• People often ask what the diagnostic criterion of alcoholism is. The short and simple answer is: when you see a finger pointed at somebody’s drinking, it is alcoholism.
• In alcoholics up to 2/3 of the total energy requirement of the body may be fulfilled by alcohol. That is why alcoholics often neglect food and are malnourished.
• There is nothing special why alcoholics drink? The short answer is: they drink for all the reasons others do. If you keep exploring alcoholism all the mysteries will unfold.
• The alcoholism teaches all the tricks to its victims to make them excellent story tellers, so as to trick their families. It also sings melodious lullabies for them, so they can’t hear any wake up calls.
• Those who drink and never fall prey to alcoholism are spared by chance. As a class drunkards never fall short of any human virtues. They are wonderful people per se.
• An alcoholics mind is miraculously powerful. It would do anything to stop painful feelings. Even when alcohol barely helps an alcoholic feel better, excuses never let him down.
• There is a lethal depression at the climax which some physicians treat with antidepressants. This depression is in fact secondary to alcoholism and can be treated only by quitting.
Drinking and alcoholism go side by side. Both are products of drinking culture. Simple molecular make up of alcohol create potential for easy access to brain cells. At low doses universe being perceived as splendid creature and person feels jazzed, jubilant, talkative and euphoric. As soon as he increases intake, natural deterrent alarms and nausatic feelings emerge.
Alcoholic’s liver is no more effectively functional and converts alcohol into a toxin, called acetaldehyde. This metabolic error leads to accumulation of acetaldehyde in blood. You know acetaldehyde is a poison.
Here are important things to remember about alcoholism:
• Alcoholism is a Bio, Psycho, Social and Spiritual disease. Its start in the body affects the mind and destroys life. Psychological damage is the result and not cause of alcoholism.
• It left untreated, it progress and become fatal.
• At some point, the drinking pattern begins to diverge; those who are destined to become alcoholic start to drink more and more often.
• Alcohol is very rich in calories too. These calories can not be stored and are to be consumed at once. So, the energy “kick� is it’s most deadly characteristic.
• In early hidden stage of alcoholism, the only visible difference between the alcoholic and the non-alcoholic is improved performance in the alcoholic when he drinks.
• People often ask what the diagnostic criterion of alcoholism is. The short and simple answer is: when you see a finger pointed at somebody’s drinking, it is alcoholism.
• In alcoholics up to 2/3 of the total energy requirement of the body may be fulfilled by alcohol. That is why alcoholics often neglect food and are malnourished.
• There is nothing special why alcoholics drink? The short answer is: they drink for all the reasons others do. If you keep exploring alcoholism all the mysteries will unfold.
• The alcoholism teaches all the tricks to its victims to make them excellent story tellers, so as to trick their families. It also sings melodious lullabies for them, so they can’t hear any wake up calls.
• Those who drink and never fall prey to alcoholism are spared by chance. As a class drunkards never fall short of any human virtues. They are wonderful people per se.
• An alcoholics mind is miraculously powerful. It would do anything to stop painful feelings. Even when alcohol barely helps an alcoholic feel better, excuses never let him down.
• There is a lethal depression at the climax which some physicians treat with antidepressants. This depression is in fact secondary to alcoholism and can be treated only by quitting.
#6 Posted by drsohail on October 4, 2007 10:33:54 am
Re: # 5
dear dr b_banth...thank you for your detailed informative feedback. i am glad you are helping people in your clinic in murry pakistan. as a doctor i understand when you say...bio...psycho...social disese...i am not clear when you say...spiritual disease...can you explain? thanks...sohail
dear dr b_banth...thank you for your detailed informative feedback. i am glad you are helping people in your clinic in murry pakistan. as a doctor i understand when you say...bio...psycho...social disese...i am not clear when you say...spiritual disease...can you explain? thanks...sohail
#7 Posted by razaraja on October 4, 2007 11:25:13 am
It is really funny how some people deliberately take controversial position by putting a negative spin to even simple statements. When the author was comparing alcohol in west and east, he was merely mentioning the difference between the way its usage is perceived in two contrasting cultures. To actually blame the poor author for “glorifying� West and putting it in the best light is somewhat unfair as this is primarily an informative article. The author is not taking a pro west position and in fact has discussed the problem of alcoholism, its effects and possible cures in the light of what he has witnessed in the West. That alone absolves him of ignoring the harmful effect of alcohol usage in the West.
#8 Posted by chaltahai on October 4, 2007 11:38:21 am
Spiritual disease might be religion..D. Sohial.
#9 Posted by ahmedmadani on October 4, 2007 6:10:56 pm
Dr.Sahib is right, Karl Marx said famously, religion opium of masses.
Alcohol is kind of neutral and may be good if just used for nasha, little entertainment that is responsible use of alcohol to support people working in Liquior specially hard working poor people but too much is abuse. QA MAJ , einstein, Churchill ,etc are people who used alcohol all life for entertainment but were not drunkard.
Alcohol is kind of neutral and may be good if just used for nasha, little entertainment that is responsible use of alcohol to support people working in Liquior specially hard working poor people but too much is abuse. QA MAJ , einstein, Churchill ,etc are people who used alcohol all life for entertainment but were not drunkard.
#10 Posted by Kulharee on October 5, 2007 5:32:30 am
Linking crime to Alcohol is quite simplistic way of looking at crime. It will be like arguing that 100% of crimes committed by muslims are related to Islam. The countries with the least per capita crime also happen to be the places where Alcohol is freely available.
Very informative article Dr. Sohail Sahib. Thank you.
Very informative article Dr. Sohail Sahib. Thank you.
#11 Posted by drsohail on October 5, 2007 5:58:37 am
Re: # 10
dear kulharee....i agree with you that delinquency and crime are multifactorial...involving emotional...social...economic...political factors.
on a lighter note. somebody said
10% of roadside accidents are by alcoholics...that means 90% are by sober people. if sober people stayed away from road even alcohilcs have more space and less accidents...smiles
i value your feedback..thanks for appreciarion...sincerely sohail
dear kulharee....i agree with you that delinquency and crime are multifactorial...involving emotional...social...economic...political factors.
on a lighter note. somebody said
10% of roadside accidents are by alcoholics...that means 90% are by sober people. if sober people stayed away from road even alcohilcs have more space and less accidents...smiles
i value your feedback..thanks for appreciarion...sincerely sohail
#12 Posted by masadi on October 5, 2007 9:24:39 am
razaraja writes "The author is not taking a pro west position and in fact has discussed the problem of alcoholism"
He is indeed taking a pro-West position and trying to deride the other culture, unless you are unable to comprehend what you are reading. For those of us who have to suffer article after moronic article this trend in his writing as in the writing of the other co-conspirator Mohammed Gill is quite obvious...
Kulharee writes "Linking crime to Alcohol is quite simplistic way of looking at crime. It will be like arguing that 100% of crimes committed by muslims are related to Islam"
A completely BS comparison by someone who doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about. That alcohol is a factor in crime does not mean that it causes crime by itself, you have to look at structural and process causes and alcohol is a major factor in all process causes of violent crime, i.e. its effect is more indirect, in the form of facilitator. Comparing a chemical substance that is known to produce aggression and make antisocial behavior more tolerable thereby facilitating crime, to the religious identity of the criminal i.e. Islam to Muslim or Christianity to Christian is the most absurd use of parallels that I have ever read but that is what we have come to expect from people like Kulharee and the rest of the "West is Best"- peons of the colonials...
Regarding the per-capita claim for crime, not to mention the fact that a small percent of crime gets reported that makes it to the official statistics, no conlcusion can be drawn from per-capita crime rates about a society except for the activity of its police force- I have been teaching this stuff punk- next, most of the developed countries have a much higher per capita crime rate than most Muslim countries where alcohol is outlawed. Once again Kulharee was speaking through his moth eaten soul where he wants to legitimize the disease just because his gods that pay him a few dollars have it as part of their culture and high life...
He is indeed taking a pro-West position and trying to deride the other culture, unless you are unable to comprehend what you are reading. For those of us who have to suffer article after moronic article this trend in his writing as in the writing of the other co-conspirator Mohammed Gill is quite obvious...
Kulharee writes "Linking crime to Alcohol is quite simplistic way of looking at crime. It will be like arguing that 100% of crimes committed by muslims are related to Islam"
A completely BS comparison by someone who doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about. That alcohol is a factor in crime does not mean that it causes crime by itself, you have to look at structural and process causes and alcohol is a major factor in all process causes of violent crime, i.e. its effect is more indirect, in the form of facilitator. Comparing a chemical substance that is known to produce aggression and make antisocial behavior more tolerable thereby facilitating crime, to the religious identity of the criminal i.e. Islam to Muslim or Christianity to Christian is the most absurd use of parallels that I have ever read but that is what we have come to expect from people like Kulharee and the rest of the "West is Best"- peons of the colonials...
Regarding the per-capita claim for crime, not to mention the fact that a small percent of crime gets reported that makes it to the official statistics, no conlcusion can be drawn from per-capita crime rates about a society except for the activity of its police force- I have been teaching this stuff punk- next, most of the developed countries have a much higher per capita crime rate than most Muslim countries where alcohol is outlawed. Once again Kulharee was speaking through his moth eaten soul where he wants to legitimize the disease just because his gods that pay him a few dollars have it as part of their culture and high life...
#13 Posted by masadi on October 5, 2007 9:35:05 am
When we look at alcohol consumption on a "personal" level then some people can definitely control their booze, but when we look at it on a "social level", then its free flowing availability produces, as we have seen (read my post below) to wide scale problems and wide scale abuse as well, it becomes a social problem a "public issue". Its benefits (recreation etc) in that context compared to those harms (wide scale death and disease, crime etc) are comparatively miniscule (just as the Quran suggests in quite scientific terms). Therefore whenever public health and well being is concerned, if a "drug"- and alcohol is one is found to have greater harms and side effects than benefits, its distribution is not allowed period, that is the criteria that the FDA in the US follows and what the science that is humanistic in its outlook would recommend.
Note: repost from below
Alcohol temporarily increases brain serotonin function, but after that temporary rise, levels of serotonin fall below the normal level. This reduced serotonin level is linked to a heightened vulnerability to depression, increased risk of violent suicide, aggressive and impulsive behavior, and a tendency to further abuse alcohol, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Alcohol consumption in any amount leads biologically (through serotonin) to a tendency to abuse it. There is no such thing as “responsible� drinking on a society-wide level.
Note: repost from below
Alcohol temporarily increases brain serotonin function, but after that temporary rise, levels of serotonin fall below the normal level. This reduced serotonin level is linked to a heightened vulnerability to depression, increased risk of violent suicide, aggressive and impulsive behavior, and a tendency to further abuse alcohol, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Alcohol consumption in any amount leads biologically (through serotonin) to a tendency to abuse it. There is no such thing as “responsible� drinking on a society-wide level.
#14 Posted by Kulharee on October 5, 2007 10:10:36 am
Masadi, I am sure in there, there is some point that you are trying to make. But it is really hard to figure out what that point may be. How about taking some courses in effective communication skills? Your old band-baja of peon of the west is now getting a bit boring. I stand corrected: extremely boring.
Another gem from Madasi: “There is no such thing as “responsible� drinking on a society-wide level.� Is there “reponsible� anything at society-wide level? You are such a doffus. You should stick to your tasbee and musala and leave stuff like this to experts, such as Dr. Sohail.
Another gem from Madasi: “There is no such thing as “responsible� drinking on a society-wide level.� Is there “reponsible� anything at society-wide level? You are such a doffus. You should stick to your tasbee and musala and leave stuff like this to experts, such as Dr. Sohail.
#15 Posted by masadi on October 5, 2007 10:39:52 am
Kulharee writes "You should stick to your tasbee and musala and leave stuff like this to experts, such as Dr. Sohail. "
The day we leave things to "experts" like him will be the day the world goes to hell....wait, people like him are already taking it there. Regarding "responsible drinking", the slogan that is advertised, is deceptive because of the nature of the addictive substance due to its chemical effect on the brain. Now I know that you are incapable of responding to my arguments with reason, eventhough you understand fully what I am saying, but that is no reason to just repeat the claim and say "everything does that"- when i) everything is not of the same addictive/chemical "nature" as alcohol, ii) and the benefits/versus harms criteria is quite valid in the judgment of that "everything"- iii) when given i) and ii) the harms include wide scale death through car wrecks, disease, as well as a factor in crime and domestic abuse- we know what needs to be done, similar logic to outlawing the higher drugs that cause lesser harm than alcohol...
Regarding the boring "peon of the West" thing, when you throw out fake statistics to prove your point about the "West" and never lose a chance to deride Islam and praise the West, the statment "peon of the West" is proven true, regardless of "boring". I give a rat's fart about entertaining you.....
The day we leave things to "experts" like him will be the day the world goes to hell....wait, people like him are already taking it there. Regarding "responsible drinking", the slogan that is advertised, is deceptive because of the nature of the addictive substance due to its chemical effect on the brain. Now I know that you are incapable of responding to my arguments with reason, eventhough you understand fully what I am saying, but that is no reason to just repeat the claim and say "everything does that"- when i) everything is not of the same addictive/chemical "nature" as alcohol, ii) and the benefits/versus harms criteria is quite valid in the judgment of that "everything"- iii) when given i) and ii) the harms include wide scale death through car wrecks, disease, as well as a factor in crime and domestic abuse- we know what needs to be done, similar logic to outlawing the higher drugs that cause lesser harm than alcohol...
Regarding the boring "peon of the West" thing, when you throw out fake statistics to prove your point about the "West" and never lose a chance to deride Islam and praise the West, the statment "peon of the West" is proven true, regardless of "boring". I give a rat's fart about entertaining you.....
#16 Posted by razaraja on October 5, 2007 11:35:59 am
I fully comprehend what the author wrote. He tried to discuss the problem of alcoholism based on his experience in West. Lets not try to derive meanings which do not even exist. If the author wanted to insult our culture, there are more open and direct ways rather than discussing the problem of alcoholism in West. Although you may counter argue by saying that perhaps author wantd to "insult" our culture in a subtle manner.
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