Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

Is it true that Havayoon and Malaoon missed again?

These guys can never shoot straight. ISI training shows!

Btw, this whole things leads to a conspiracy theory. We need Sadna the conspiracy theory queen, to expound more on this.

#180 Posted by Urstruly,

No press report yet because there's a complete crackdown in the area and it's been taken over by the military. Choppers are flying around all over AK looking for the perpetrators.

Re: # 175 Zeemax

Though the probablity of shooting down of chopper is quite high; but is there an evidence or report in this regard. I don't doubt it, since Mushraff's aircraft was shot at wioth antiaircraft guns in Islamabad right after the Jamiah Hafsa massacre, but it would be good to know what actually have caused the chopper to crash

#169 Posted by borivili_express

Hamidm u are a soulless man, u celebrate the crooks and knaves while for an honest man u have contempt.

It's good for his business ... ice cream ... you know ... ;-)

#176 Posted by bulleya on October 8, 2007 5:25:36 am


has indicated to me that their think tanks for this area are generally filled with bumbling idiots


corporal clueless: speaking of being a bumbling idiot, you told us after 9/11 that the US army couldn't defeat the taliban unless the paki army held it's hand and led it in..because the paki army knows the language and knows the terrain you said

fast forward 6 years since and the US forces are regularly whacking pakis in pureland in complete disregard of pureland's sovereignty while the surrender monkeys of the paki army are surrendering to the militants en masse..that is, if they're not getting whacked..

#152 Posted by dost_mittar,

I posted this on the Mehroz board. It's relevant to your query:

I think it is quite clear that the Judiciary is trying to manage the best it can under the circumstances, but it is also aware thet musharraf will impose martial-law or emergency in a breath and demand new oaths from judges if a decision threatens to remove him from power. SC has to tread a very fine line.

Street protests are not likely for the reason the opposition is divided and people need to see a credible leadership, which is simply non-existant. You will recall people did come out in droves for the CJ because they 'agreed' with his cause, but who else will they come out for amongst the politicians?

So, the SC is trying for a smooth transition, under great pressures as well as public criticism, just to ensure musharraf does not wind up the entire political/judicial system again as he did on 12 October 1999.

No one should be under the illusion that he can't do it this time around because of the CJ movement or foreign pressure. The only pressure that counts is USA and he has their support. I see the recent spike of military operation in FATA as evidence musharraf wants to convince USA he will really do their job for them like NATO in Afghanistan. It is the first time F-16 fighters are being used in the operation.

anil # ....it was quite difficul to figure out exactly what you were trying to say in your reply.....it was somewhat all over the place.....

.....i think too many expats tend to think that whatever is thought up in usa think tanks must be ingenious.....whatever dealings i have had with americans, on subjects related to middle east, pakistan etc. has indicated to me that their think tanks for this area are generally filled with bumbling idiots......i cannot think of any country that has a poorer understanding of what goes on in this area.....just look at the mess the usa has gotten itself into in iraq and afghanistan, despite having massive resources available to it.....

......hence you may want to set aside any info that comes out of strategy sessions and think tanks in usa, regarding pakistan.....hamidm mian would be a good candidate for such think tanks......

........musharaff's trump card has been that he has divided pakistani society along conservatively religious and enlightenendly moderate groups.....he has, then, presented himself to the world and specifically to the usa as the leader of the last bastion of enlightened moderates in pakistan......

......this has served him well, and has forced bb to join in with the same lines.......however, this is going to do an extreme amount of damage to pakistan......it is as bad as dividing the country along ethnic lines.....it is one thing if a country, naturally, democratically and organically, divided along such lines.....it is another if a leader divides it to secure his/her place.......

.......pakistan is neither taliban nor enlightenedly moderate.....yet now it is going to have a govt. pushing the later, while simultaneously carrying out a very unpopular us foreign policy.......this is going to leave the door wide open for the religious right to exploit the vacuum.......do keep in mind that the mma could never win more than five seats, until the usa started bombing afghanistan and musharraf joined in wholeheartedly.....

......the problem for musharraf is that the liberal wing of pakistan - himself included - consists of crooks, fascits and dictators......on top of that, they ideologically oppose each other......how long will they last and what kind of governance will they provide.....it is one thing to have one dictator ruling the country.....now bb, altaf etc. will all be ruling together.......

........this will, in the long run, open up the space for the religious right.....and pakistanis, despite not being orthodoxoly inclined, will tilt towards this group more and more........they are already getting more and more anti-usa, as musharraf is getting more and more pro-usa.....

......someday musharraf will be gone, and then this flood of anti-american and pro-right feelings will come rushing onto the political spectrum....

anyone dividing pakistan along secular/religious or enlightendly moderate and maulvi lines is setting the basis of a polarized society.......

as i said, urstruly's star is about to rise.....smart money is on him......not on us think tanks......

#133 Posted by hamidm2,

I guess you can say this to Maj Gen (Retd & injured) Rashid Qureshi whose chopper was shot down today over AK when someone missed musharraf's chopper ahead in the air convoy.

Like I said, this is just a dog's leash being changed.

Britain and US in 'safe return' deal for Bhutto
By Andrew Buncombe and Omar Waraich in Islamabad
Published: 08 October 2007

The depth of British and US involvement in the deal that helps General Pervez Musharraf retain office for another five years emerged yesterday when it was revealed the two countries have worked to secure a "safe return" to Pakistan for the woman he is poised to share power with.

British and American diplomats have met with leaders of a controversial political party long at odds with former prime minister Benazir Bhutto and encouraged it to show restraint when she returns to Karachi in 10 days' time. The leadership of the MQM party – which this year was blamed for violence in the city which left 41 dead – has vowed to keep off the streets on her return.

Details of the effort to smooth Ms Bhutto's return came as General Musharraf called for national unity following the overwhelming vote that should secure him another five years as president. "A majority, a vast majority, have voted for me and therefore that result is the result," he said after winning in a vote by the national and regional assemblies.

A central part of pre-election political horse-trading was a deal with Ms Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party (PPP) that paves the way for her to return and seek a historic third term as prime minister. A bullet-proof limousine is to be flown in for her arrival on 18 October. She told the Sunday Times: " I know there are security risks, people who want to kill me and scuttle the restoration of democracy."

IB I agree with you, his alliance with the religous parties was wrong, about the MQM i am not sure its such a good force what with altaf bhai running it like a dictator, his character too is quite poor.

I pointed out cricket for evidence of his hardwork and intellect and his work for the cancer hospital as well as his refusal to compromise with the crooks as evidence of his honesty and commitment to the poor

then don't fart - whats the relationship between sports and politics? how come fielding tactics, batting order, reverse swing fit into politics?

I hate ( knowing the power of hate ) Imran Khan because of two reasons:

a) his alliance with religious fanatics
b) his role against MQM where he was used by Jamat

IB u will never understand logic if it farted on ur face

Re: # 167 borivilli,
Who is the greater fool, the fool or the fool who follows him?
What's all of his cricketing skills to do with politics of Pakistan?

Someone wise said, ' don't argue with a fool because he will first drag you down to his level and beat you with experiance'

you are simply not worth it mate!

Hamidm u are a soulless man, u celebrate the crooks and knaves while for an honest man u have contempt.

even i know Imran wont become anything, but u rejoice in his defeat, u are a heartless man

Borivilli mian,

I do get it. But if u (like YLH) expect him to show the same characteristics as PM of Pak u may be in for a rude surprise.

Regards

Majumdar

I was pointing out through his cricket career that he is intelligent, hardworking, honest and through the cancer hospital and his refusal to compromise with the corrupt his commitment to the welfare of the poor

do u get it?