Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

Re: # 99

bubba,

.......... i have known sheikh rashid since his gordon college days - the man is a gem

....... i am willing to bet a dollar to a starving muslim's date from mecca that if they had a 'presidential' election at the national level, musharraf would win with a comfortable majority - more than 40% of the people would vote for him ...... the rest would be split between bb, ns, fazloo, qazi and the taliban riff raff ...

And now zeemax comes out in defense of...mullah 17th amendment!!

zeemax: I heard a discussion on aaj tv last week where Bishop Fazlur-Rehman was said that he was available for a talk with the government (read: deal with musharraf), but sadly...no phone call forthcoming. :-(

Musharraf has found someone else, and dumped the poor maulanas. :-(

Perhaps you should tell the poor maulvis to see it from Musharraf's point of view since this might help them understand why their services are no longer needed: now that Mush knows he can no longer prop maulvis up as the Evil Invaders from Outer Space against whom SuperHero Enlightened Man is fighting to save the world, he has no choice but to dump poor Maulana Fazloo.

arry bhai hamid, kiyoun tou koi sheikh rashid ka rishta daar hay kia? ya ous kay payroll pur ho?

all the screw balls in Islamabad will never work for the people of Pakistan, and maybe that is just fine by you. Is it?

Re: # 95

tahmed,

.... no, it has nothing to do with musharraf being 'the lesser of the two evils' ...... i would have been very happy if the politicians had managed to get him out - but they are incompetent, corrupt and too busy squabbling among thmselves ...... if and when they get their act together i will be right behind them ...... for now musharraf is a good choice ....... incompetence does not deserve to be rewarded and the supreme court shouldn't do it .......

#91 Posted by dost_mittar.

Guess you missed the Dawn News interview of yesterday. He was asked this question very pointedly (i.e. would he accept the verdict if it went against him), and musharraf's response was a very clear "We'll see when the time comes".

Actually, he has never said he will accept the verdict with respect to the current case. He only said that in the CJ restoration instance.

In defense of Fazlur-ur-Rehman:

Why's everyone beating up on him? If the NWFP assembly had been dissolved, what difference would it have made except some issues of legitimacy? But then again, musharraf's regime never had ANY legitimacy to begin with in the manner he took power, manipulated the constitution, and rigged the 2002 elections to arrive at the present electoral college - so, would losing a little bit of legitimacy for the second term really matter for him? I guess not.

What it WOULD have done though, is to increase BB's bargaining power with musharraf.

Above is why JUI (F) didn't dissolve the NWFP assembly i.e. it was useless. However, with this move, he forced BB's eventual deal to acceptance of just ONE demand i.e. withdrawal of cases, whereas she had to give up on her MAIN demands of 3rd time prime-minister, 58-2(b) amendment as well as dissolution of local bodies.

As to why they didn't resign? Well ... they DID resign in NA ... so why not the NWFP as well? It is because they would prefer to retain power in the province in the uncertain times before the run up to the general elections and influence the interim set-up. The alternative (in resigning or dissolution) would have resulted in Governor Rule in the province and the entire administrative machinery would come under musharraf's direct control.

Fazlur-ur-Rehman is a tactician, and VERY smart. He doesn't leave anything on the table. On the other hand, Qazi is a bit naive in comparison and emotional as Imran Khan.

#93 hamidm: in other words, what you are saying is that musharraf is the lesser of the evils. What an inspiring political platform for a man who seeks to be a national leader!! :-)

Love all, trust a few! I do agree with you on Sher Afghan although this is just a preception created by media, bad press and yes, thanks to Sher Afghan's shameless and some what useless constitutional debates and twists but Dr.Sher Afghan is dedicated person who is spotless ( in terms of corruption ) . Few people know that he has transfored his area by spending huge sums ( courtesy of Mushraff and Shaukat Aziz) . He will definately get re-elected easily.

( I had a opinion about Sher Afghan like you but a visit to his area , meeting him on couple of occassions and neutrally analyzing him - helped me change my mind )

Re: # 89

tahmed mian,

....... i would be happy if musharraf stepped down, but he is not going to ...... so why be miserable ?...... the man is not a 'dictator' - not like his friend bush who is the 'decider' ..... actually, come to think of it, he is less dicatorial than bb and nawaz sharif

......... a transition to democracy over the next few years is just fine by me - if the people really want it, their chosen opposition can band together in the next assembly and overturn 52B ........ but given their sordid record, i doubt they will be able to do it ..... the sc should not do their dirty work for them .......

once again: sheikh rashid zindabad!

#88
on a) Mush's "war" against against extremists - as in lal masjid, where mr enlightenment was happily watching maulvis initimidate Islamabad shopkeepers and kidnapping women, and took action only when the chinese government told him to get his act together.

on b) economic policies - with socialism descredited after the fall of capitalism, pro-business policies are a no-brainer world-wide.

on c) "fair" division for smaller provinces - musharraf is beholden to the military, not to mqm, for power. Guess who is the beneficiary in the military? the evil Panjabis, you genius.

on d) Karachi became a cesspool not because of lack of government expenditures, but because of violence and ethnic strife brought by mqm.

on e) Like in his "humor" aimed at women getting raped?

on f) Islamic extremism grew during Musharraf's watch (see a. above e.g.) - you call this reformation?

on g) Social sector reforms like starving the education sector?

hamidm#97

I thought so, too, but he has recently said that he will accept the decision of the SC. [I know, I know that they said the same about the judgement re. Nawaz Sahrif's return to Pakistan]

Re: # 88

IB,

......... i am serious about sheikh rashid - the man is honest (a rare quality in any politician) and calls it like he sees it ......and his constituency genuinly likes him ..... there is something about sher afgan that bothers me - he appears to be an untrustworthy thug ...... call it chemistry

hamidm #86 You may not believe in miracles, but if tomorrow Musharraf steps down (or is ousted), there is a slight chance that the world will keep on spinning!!

Karachi/Hyderabad/Sukker/MQM supports Mushraff because:

a) his stance on war against extremists (going into tribal areas)
b) economic policies ( tax reforms, lasting policies for industry, economic liberalization)
c) somewhat fair division of resources to smaller provinces
d) especial assistance package for Karachi ( which was neglected for good 40 years)
e) bring in an idea of ‘giving more power to women
f) reforming society and allowing freedom of speech and expression
g) huge social sector reforms


People like Justice (retd.) Wajiuddin are used and abused by politically motivated snakes aka black coats, evil will always triumph, because good is dumb unfortunately.

Mushraff is atleast better then Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto who looted and abused powers. Yes, the same man who ‘hated’ them is compelled deal but that’s because of dumb people in rural areas / rural background who worship both the leaders knowingly what they did - Bibi and Nawaz unfortunately a reality in Pakistan.

Lesser Evil is the way too go – btw, If Jinnah (Quaid) would be alive – some people would brand him a MQM-wala bhai-ya!

Hamidm: Sheikh Rashid ( on a serious note ) is good for Pakistan – he’s defied Nawaz Sharif because Nawaz Pay’ee did not gave him the ticket for his party . He is a good politician and so is Dr.Sher Afghan – both terribly misunderstood in Pakistan.

Re: # 85

dost,

.... the supreme court will not vote against him because they don't want more turmoil - call it the doctrine of democracy ....... if they do, musharraf will declare emergency and continue in uniform - the public will go along and there is nothing the impotent politicians can do about it ..... like me, they say, "fuck the politicians!" (except sheikh rashid)