Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

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tahmed,

.... stop being such a wet blanket!.........

....... i took an informal poll of my family and friends in pakistan and all eight of them are very happy with the outcome of the presidential 'election' .... as my sister - a habitual ppp voter - put it: "he is better than the rest of these chors and uchakas" ..... a brother-in-law who supports some guy named tahir-ul-qadri, said:"musharraf did the right thing - he will keep an eye on bb to make sure she doesn't dip into the national till again" ......... he is also hoping that she will divorce zardari before returning to pakistan ...... a twenty five year old niece who works for mobilink and makes more money than her father said:"i just got a new honda city - citibank loaned me the money ... musharraf zindabad !"

.... and i still say: sheikh rashid zindabad !

Manto:

I wonder if you can clarify a technical point? What happens if the SC declares PM disqualified?

Musharraf was supposed to assume oath of President on November 15 without the uniform. What if the SC declares him disqalified or not give its verdict before Nov. 15? PM has said that he won't give up uniform if he does not get elected. So, he will presumably still be in uniform on Nov. 15; then who will become the new President?

IB: Like I said, you are really, really smart in supporting a military dictatorship and opposing democracy in Pakistan because the face of the dictatorship happens to be that of an urdu-speaker.

hp,

..... agreed .... inspite of my alarm over the increasing petty religiosity of the middle class and the gap between the haves and the have-nots, i have always been bullish over pakistan and am looking forward to retiring there ......

......... regardless of the perpetual whining by doom and gloom pundits like imran khan, things have been getting progressively better for the growing middle class ...... a generation ago half my relatives were squatting on the railroad tracks like ordinary hindoos; today their kids turn on the air conditioner in the bedroom and leave the door open to the bathroom for an hour before they take a poop !

.......as long as we have people like sheikh rashid we will be fine ...... and i am serious when i say that he is a better politician than any of the yahoos and bubbas running in the us presidential election ........ as he once angrily said, "i don't care if kalay chor (black thieves) are running the country - i have my constituency and i will always get elected" ...... just yesterday he was scolding imran khan for being a 'bacha' and wasting his time: "i don't have time for this 'rona dhona' - i have to go prepare for an election' ...... and when the perenial whiner ayaz mir started his lament over the demise of democracy and all that, sheikh sahib looked at him with disdain and said, "you have been crying and repeating the same old story for years ... if people listened to you, they wouldn't get out of bed in the morning" .......... and the people of rawalpindi love him for that

......... now if we could only make him the prime minister things would be just fine .........

shiek rashid zindabad !

Re: # 81 joker!!!
Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future!

Whats wrong with you guys?

a)HP is all up against Mushraff just because he's a Sindi and Jai Sind Supporter. who would satisfy ppl like HP? Bibi? maybe Mumtaz Bhutto? In dreams!

b) t-ahmed mian' is hopeful that Mushraff would exit soon and considered Aitazaz Ahsen as newbies?

c) Urstruly wants Shariah Law ? Bonkers!

HP,T-Ahmed,Urstruly? it' seems like a Jai Sind (HP), (PML N) and Jamat-e-Islami Alliance?

Above lott reflects the opposition agaist Mushraff which is based on ethinicity,religious extremism and personal reasons ( which are still not explained - as yet atleast) want to share t-ahmed sahab? if not get a shrink!

Khichree World Mix: http://khichree.wordpress.com
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Nati onal Reconciliation goes truly National
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Karachi - Taking a cue from the nation’s enlightened leaders people from different walks of life have decided to jump on the ‘reconciliation’ band wagon. News coming from various corners of the country speak of people coming together to forgive and grant clemency to themselves.

The National Association of Street and Petty Crimes, Karachi Chapter has announced that in the spirit of the newly presented proposal by Pervaiz Musharraf, all its members who have stolen mobiles, snatched cars and killed people over cash between the periods Jan-1985 to Sep-2007 are hereby forgiven.

“We believe in the concept of forgiveness as put by Mr. Musharraf.”, said the chairman of the Karachi Chapter. “Keeping with the honorable president’s call we have decided to forgive ourselves, just like the country’s parliamentarians have come together to forgive themselves.”

“Forgiving ourselves leaves a positive feeling for us. It lightens up any burdens any of us had. We won’t need to smoke pot or hash or drink adulterated alcohol to calm our nerves anymore. We now feel our conscience is as clear as the water of Karachi’s West Wharf.”, he added.

“To all those people whose money and phones and cars we took away, we would like to say that its now over. Lets move on as we have now forgiven ourselves.”, he said. The chairman had a glow on his face as he brandished a brand new Nokia E90 he snatched just in time to be covered by the amnesty. “When I killed the bloke whose E90 this was I got a feeling of uneasiness, despite being high on charas. But now having forgiven myself, I am extremely relaxed and feel happy to use this phone.”

Street Criminal Welfare Associations all over Pakistan have expressed similar sentiments. However some quarters have expressed concern. Some members have been upset that the phones and cars they stole in October are not covered in the amnesty and that they were not given ample time to take advantage. Some members have requested that the amnesty period be extended by a month so they can maximise activity in October 2007.

Steps for a better Pakistan have also been taken by the National Association of Organ Traders, The Muttahida Tax Evaders Alliance, The Jameeat Ahl e Milawat and also by Anjuman Baraey Shor Sharaba (ABSS). Everyone seems to be in the mood to forgive themselves.

President Musharraf and his team of yes-men have welcomed these steps as being steps in the right direction. We want to set the precedent that criminals need not feel the burden of their crimes. Its unfair that a criminal should live with the guilt of a crime. Criminals should be given the opportunity to live a life of respectability. It is their right as citizens of their country that they should be given the same respect as any other ordinary person.

“That a criminal be sent to court and punished for his actions means we are allowing victims to get revenge. Vengeance should be removed from society. And for this purpose we believe criminals should come together and forgive themselves so we save our police and courts the trouble of giving people justice.”, President Musharraf stated.

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JayP,

Eff the TNT theory. If ur last name is Thackery, thst's even more annoying.

Ur posts are too repetitive.

HP #71 That is about the most pertinent post on the subject of this board that I have read.

This (self)election of musharraf is merely the latest in his series of attempts at hanging on to power with the help of smoke and mirrors. The tide of public opinion has turned against him and his defeat in the stand-off with the Chief Justice has nevertheless forced him into power sharing in a number of ways:

1. With one of the previously shunned mainstream parties (PPP);
2. Within the army (where it has become virtually impossible for him to do what he refused to consider upto just a couple of months ago, namely remove his precious wardi, and thus become beholden to his previous subordinates);
3. With the Supreme Court;
4. After January 15, with a newly elected NA which (unless the elections are turned into a sham like yesterday's election) will no doubt serve to reduce Musharraf to a figurehead President even if he were to remain one.

Internationally, he is no longer seen as being the only alternative to islamic extremists - indeed, he is seen as having been a part of the problem in being either ineffective (per his failed "peace deal" with the tribals) or else actually making them stronger (since, his weakening in recent months has resulted in a corresponding weakening of the religious parties and tribals from the mainstream of the Pakistani political scene).

The other original point you make on this board is the emergence of some fresh faces in politics - Aitezaz Ahsan, Wajihuddin in particular. Although too uncertain to say at this point, it does seem that the public is looking for someone other than BB or NS to be the next political leader. The ground is wide open and there is no shortage of honorable and intelligent people more than capable than these individuals of leading the nations in the nation.

So, as you correctly point out - there is every reason to be optimistic. There is even a glimmer of a hope (per his calls for national reconciliation, which may be just another attempt at smoke and mirrors, but at this stage can only be with Musharraf stepping down from power), that Musharraf will realize that his time is up and will still redeem himself by retreating in a more graceful manner than he has fought to hang on to power in recent months.

At least this is my "analysis", inspired by the down-to-earth view of the situation in your post. And no one can really predict where things are headed, so this is simply a "most likely" scenario. :-)

Manto,

I have told you several times, I am a professional pakibasher, a country known over the world for terrorism, and it is expected that they should be bashed.

Contact me at jayp@mossad.com.is

Another non-ordinance.

Pakistan team lost the 20.20 match, and what did they get, more than the indian winning team.

There are no losers in pakistan, all are winners, even the corrupt politicians.

from jang of today


, it is still amazing that the Indian Cricket Board awarded its winning 20:20 team with US$2 million, which if my Sanskrit is right is about 12 crores in Pakistani rupees. However, what do the Indians know about style? Our Board gave its team 20 crores for losing the Championship. Wah! Wah! Wah!

This is Musharraf's era in Pakistan. Unless the threats from LM are real, Mush is ur Prez for 5 more years.

The criticism of MMA supporting Mush is rubbish. Who didnt support Musharraf? It's a grandslam victory.

The question of propriety was dismissed by the Supreme COurt.

Is that Bernardshaw who siad: 'if rape is inevitable, enjoy it'

??

Good luck guys.

Jayp,

The only person depressed here seems to be you. Your constant obsession with the lowly Pakistan and Pakistanis shows us that you are actually very insecure about India.

Re: # 49

Hamidm,

I suspect Qazi is on board with the strategy.

Just wait and see. Jamaat-e-Islami will not quit the MMA coalition.

A cure for pak depression,

As the pakistanis lose their last hope of some kind of accountability from their rulers, and sink into the ravin3es of depression, here is an antidote,

India is a country, pakistan is an experiment, and it must go on till pakistan is finished.

Enlarge the above, past it on all walls, especially by YLH and other so called pakistani patriots.

From dawn of today.

"SOME 59-odd years ago, Mussalman leader Abul Kalam Azad, a genuine true maulana, a profoundly educated man, who habitually and openly imbibed of that God-given fine malt drink and made no bones about it, was heard to murmur one balmy evening, ‘Ummmm, but we must not forget that India is a country whereas Pakistan is an experiment."

BB is a natural power hungry monster. She will stoop to any level if that sweet post of PM is on the plate. No morals, no ideals, nothing of the sort. She does not care about anyone else but herself.
Plunderers and looters of national exchequer are made saints just by a stroke of pen. What a beauty.
Cry the beloved country..cry.

Frankly, I don’t share the pessimism that is being displayed here. I don’t know why it was not clear to people that if Musharaaf was allowed to contest the elections, he was going to be the only one to win it, and he did. I don’t see the elections as Musharaf’s victory or opposition’s defeat.

The political process in Pakistan has barely begun and we have already seen many stalwarts exposed. I am sure many more would go down in the next few months.

I would like to remind Feroz that the first step towards democracy in Pakistan will always be sharing of power between the civilians and the army. The army will only share it grudgingly. Benazir made some bad calculations but she too was under pressure from the US to make the deal. She will pay a major price for that not only in Punjab but in Sindh too.

Here I will introduce something interesting which apparently hasn’t been touched earlier. Every army regime in Pakistan introduces new political leaders to Pakistan and we get a new set of political characters in politics.

During the ayub regime, all old school politicians disappeared. Bhutto and Mujib emerged as the new leaders of the country. One was nurtured from the inside and the other was groomed or I should say fed from the outside. During the Zia regime another set of politicians emerged. Nawaz was projected from the inside and Benazir was made leader from the outside. They both ended up serving the army for the next ten years.
We did not see a new leadership during the current regime for the simple reason that this regime was too embroiled in the WOT and barely had any incentive to groom another set of leaders.

However, since March 9th Pakistan has seen new leaders emerging. Aitazaz Ahsan, Imran Khan or even the leaders from the lawyers side such as Justice Wajihuddin and the other former Judges as credible leaders. This is a welcome change. These guys have a stellar record in public service and as they gain stature in Pakistani politics, they will, for the first time, form the nucleus of incorruptible leaders that Pakistani body politics desperately needs.

There is dynamism in Pakistani politics. The change was initiated or instigated by the US. It has happened the past and it will happen again. Often people or the interests that instigate the change lose control over the proceedings. I see Pakistan is headed to a phase where the change would create its own leaders. The important part is to continue the process and I think lawyers to a certain extent are committed to continue the process.

The game is not over. We have not even reached the 20 yards line after the kick off yet!