Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

Re: # 53

The total amount of money that this harami fouji kutta could not retrieve in 8 years from corrupt politicians and bureaucrates is close to Rs. 1.15 Trillion.

The number of cases that NAB has against corrupt polticians and bureaucrats is 887.

The number of criminal cases such as murder, extortion, and terrorism against ONLY the so called allies of this fouji kanjar are 2370; of which 2311 cases are against MQM alone.

Innalillah e - wa inna ilaihe rajoon.

Does any one know how much money changed hands?

Politics is no child's game. And politicians’ fight over the money that gets distributed amongst the participants. The free Pakistani press must investigate any info on how much money was passed amongst these people.

O! Is there a free Pakistani press?

hamidm i can also find fresh milk, but the guy is over 50 years old, there is something strange about this guy at that age people look beyond to leaving an heir but he is exceptionally depraved.

Imran too had his fill of milk and milk shake but the guy is honest

Re: # 50

borivili,

"sheikh rashid is a debauche bachelor, when somebody asked him why u dont get married he said he wasnt mad to purchase a cow if milk was available in the market"

..... in my book that makes him a very smart man ! ..... it also shows that, unlike most of us, he is capable of finding fresh milk when he wants to .......

sheik rashid zindabad !

hamidm sheikh rashid is a debauche bachelor, when somebody asked him why u dont get married he said he wasnt mad to purchase a cow if milk was available in the market


And I know that Imran Khan is stupid, not worldly wise and also a hypocrite but he has one quality that all these swine dont, he cannot be purchased, the guy just cant be bribed and though i have ben opposed to him, i feel if among all these people there was a choice after Musharraf, who all said and done was good for the economy, the freedom of speech and media (which is more than we can say for the democrats Nawaz and BB) it would be Imran.

So if the crown should pass to someones head from Musharraf's it should be Imran but unfortunately i dont see that happening

Re: # 46

manto mian,

.... isn't it obvious that fazloo is hoping for a jui government in nwfp without having to share the halwa with another maulvi like qazi? ..... he will share it if he has too, but he can share it with the ppp too - that way he can get a few crumbs at the center .... the mma is dead - i wouldn't be surprised if the mullahs start killing each other soon ........ in this case sectarian violence would be a good thing ....

Re: # 42
I will rather agree to it. However there is one point I would like to make. In Pakistan although people do not have any real power even nominally they seldom give any concrete dissenting signals. Mind you at times even apparently "powerless" signals such as coming to streets has a potential to bring about a change.

But over all his point is very valid as the system is extremely skewed towards a privilged few. Even the so called democratic elections even if fairly held will culminate in bringing same people back in power again and again. This is mainly because individual status and connections are extremely important for electoral victory. Parties in order to be pragmatic have a tendency to field powerful candidates particularly in the rural areas. Thus in strange way status quo is largely maintained even through election process.
Some how it really does not matter whether army is in power or not. Elite citizens are always in power. Just take a close look through decades and you will find out that some families were in power during Bhutto, Zia, Benazir, Nawaz Sharif and Musharraf's respective tenors. Its not just army alone, its the entire system which has evolved in a manner that ensures that elites remain in charge. This elite brigade is in partnership with the military junta during Marshal law and operating on their own during "democratic" reigns.

Re: # 44

tahmed mian,

... masadi is not a drama queen, he is an idiot who is stuck on his silly elite theory and continues to bay at the moon and chase cars ..... as soon as ferozk gets him a job at the lahore american school, he will shut up ........ urstruly, on the other hand, is a tortured soul who dreams of establishing al-lah's kingdom in pakistan and does his best by praying for it at his mosque in flint michigan ..........

bulleya,

What do you have to say for the apparent divide in MMA... with JUI-F refusing to dissolve the NWFP assembly or resign from it.

Re: # 40

urstruly,

.... if, as you state, "bearded whores like fazloo, qazi, and other madarchod rif raf chaalees chor all belong to this class", then who will form what you call the "party of god"? ... do you think osama and baitullah will come out of the tora bora on their donkeys and lead the people to victory over the forces of evil ?

... look, stop being so despondent .... as my hero sheikh rashid said this morning, politics "koi bachon ka khel nahin" and those who whine and cry foul and run away cannot win at this game ...... as much as i don't like this unprincipled deal-making, i have to credit bb for playing her hand very well ........ who knows, three years from now she might be able send musharraf packing if she can get all these strange bed fellows to jump into her and repeal article 58 ......

........ pakistani politics is like 20/20 cricket - i love it !

hamidm: So urstruly is the drama queen of chowk? And why have you superseded poor masadi with urstruly??!! Aakhir Masadi kay dil main bhi chand arzoo, chand khwashayhaat hain!!

bulleya #39 writes "..i have been saying for a long time .."

Verily time has always proved everything right, O Fountain of All Wisdom and Knowledge..We mere chowkies are not worthy of your presence..ommmmmmm..shanti....jai bulleya ki...ommmmmmm.......

Feroz writes "Today, was the day to face reality and admit; we are all guilty. Today, we have to ask ourselves who is to blame if we select these people again? Will we blame the "hidden hand" again, or our own naive emotionalism? Today, we learned what happens to a nation and its people, when they ignore their past experience; change their history and lie to themselves."

This is the general tendency we see in all people who don't have a clue about Pakistani society and its power structure i.e. Blaming the victims, similar to the Israeli elite blaming the Palestinians for "terrorism" when they have occupied an entire country and placed a chokehold on it, created the conditions that lead to hopelessness and acts of petty terror, is what (the miserable) Feroz is doing, and of course doing so out of deliberate design is true evil. His post assumes that institutions in Pakistan are designed so as to translate the people's will into responsible politics when they are anyting but, and his blame makes this "corruption" a personal issue of particular politicians and not an inherent feature of the power institutions of Pakistan, which operate independant of the voice or desires of its people- that is why their suffereing perpetuates from government to government- it is NOT the fault of the people of Pakistan.

The people of Pakistan are struggling to exist in a social structure that offers them below subsistence income for back breaking work. They have no true civil service that would link them to the centers of power, it has been coopted by the power institution the Pakistan Army, the US occupation force in Pakistan. Their political institutions were nipped in the bud before they could establish roots, and before that they were killed enmasse in the farce of the partition that was managed by the Feudals and the Colonials. They have suffered crisis after crisis since the creation of this so-called "nation" and every time the crisis has had external causes. Since they have been robbed of any and all chances of working through the system to cause change, the only hope is in a total restructure from below-i.e. a revolution. The conditions for that have thus far not arisen but are fast approaching. Apathy is the first effect of an impotent social system before the condition of absolute deprivation, revolution only follows thereafter....

Re: # 36

It is sad, but I agree with you. Let the truth be told.

Re: # 35

As it has been told millions of times before - the peon of the West class is not a class in commie sense of the word but it is an ideology or a mental state - a mental state of vassalge that we inherited as a baggage from our colonial past. So a bearded person is not an exception for being in this class. These bearded whores like fazloo, qazi, and other madarchod rif raf chaalees chor all belong to this class. This class thrives on corruption and survives with oppression. They will do whatever it takes to keep this system of corruption, oppression, and vassalage imposed on us. The evidence speaks for itself.

Today the choice is clear before people of Pakistan - either look the other way at what the rebels of God do and hence be a part of this godforsaken system OR fight against this oppression and become party of God.

..i have been saying for a long time that the reason the military is able to dominate pakistan is because it always remains united.......it has been impossible to divide it.....

i have also been saying that if any other institution remained united, it would easily defeat the military in pakistan - with or without guns.....

.....the first example of this was the judiciary.....for the first time in pakistan's history, the judiciary and the lawyers remained united......one cj and a few thousand lawayers gave an unprecedented blow to the military leadership and shook it up......

.......however, the military leadership has once again succeeded in totally dividing the political leadership......the keyword being totally......had the politicians stuck together, they would moved out the army, withtout having to do anything......

however, the military leadership has, successfully, divided the politicians into, not two, but multiple groups.......pml(q) and mqm are on the president's side......half of mma is against the president and half is in between......pml(n), pti etc is against the president........and the key player ppp is with him, while trying to act like it is against him.....even within those who are with the president, pml(q) and ppp hate each other, as do mqm and jui(f)......and ppp and mqm don't like each other also.......

........so now the army is again back in power.......the only group that can disrupt it is the judiciary again......however, the judiciary has (perhaps correctly) singalled to the legislature that is not going to do the politician's dirty work....if the politicians want the army out, they can easily do it on their own.....

......so now the elections will be held.......my guess is, it will be a minority govt.....pml(q) and ppp will win the most seats (legally or throw manipulation)......however, neither will have enough votes to form a govt.....so they will both rely on the army to get them into power......the army will play one against the other, and will control everything from the back ground.......

.........this is the difference between the lawyers and media and the political parties......lawyers and media leaderships are genuinely democratic organizations, which are elected through genunie elections.......anyone can be their head........on the other hand, all the political parties are out and out dictatorships.........a good example is the ppp, which is famous for fighting against military dictatorships, and which is totally going against the traditional ppp agenda, by siding with the govt. to ensure benazir's corruption cases are thrown out.......

.......so my prediction.......the, "moderates" are now totally discredited - this includes ppp, mqm and musharraf........they are in power, but through backroom deals......this will make the religoius right more powerful......

i think urstruly's star is about to rise.......bb is massively corrupt as are the chaudries......musharraf has committed massive constitutional violations, and mqm is fascist........not sure how such a motley crew can rule the country.......even if they represent the liberal face of pakistan and are backed by the usa........