Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

re: # 19

The sentence: "The elections are over and it is a tragedy that PPP boycotted it and gave Musharraf the throphy and in the process, allowed Musharraf to waltz into the presidency contested."

should read as

"The elections are over and it is a tragedy that PPP boycotted it and gave Musharraf the throphy and in the process, allowed Musharraf to waltz into the presidency uncontested."

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tahmed,

....... do you really believe that if there was a 'fair and free' election the results would be any different ?......... i can almost guarantee you that bb,ns, altaf bhai and maulana fazloo would still be the big winners ...... even the chaudaris will win although their 'party' might loose a few seats ........ as for the 'rank and file' of the political parties, they love their leaders - so who are you to argue with them ?! ....... i know a lot of people who will dump mo of mecca before they dump bb of larkana ........

The army in present-day Pakistan is like the Church in medieval Europe.


Seeing as how they'r buggering you, it's even like the catholic church of today.

The Reconcilation Ordinance is an awful piece of legislation and the manner of it's passage - rushed in the hours of the night - speaks to it's flaws. It was an ordinance that was passed by the president, acting on his authority to pass a law, in the absence of a sitting senate or a parliament. As an ordinance, it has a sunset clause and it will automatically lapse and will be null and voided after a period of 4 months.

The only way this piece of legislation can exist longer than 4 months, is for the next parliament to pass it as a parliamentary bill. In any case, as the law stipulates, any presidential ordinance passed, has to come before the parliament and be debated. The next parliament must debate this law.

There is a parliament in session right now, but it was not allowed to pass this legislation, because Musharraf's PML-Q (which as one wit said on GEO, today, stands for Pervaiz Musharraf League - Quislings) is itself divided over the issue of granting amensty to Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif and such a law, had it been put to a test, would have not passed.

The elections are over and it is a tragedy that PPP boycotted it and gave Musharraf the throphy and in the process, allowed Musharraf to waltz into the presidency contested. If not Musharraf, they should have participated in the elections and should have voted for Wajeeuddin (sp.) The game plan of the PPP is now to approach the courts and challenge Musharraf but the courts might throw this argument out. If the PPP gives up its right to cast a vote against Musharraf, there is not much the law can do and now, PPP will question the legitimacy of this election and cry "murder most foul".

Painful shades of MMA in 2002 and the 17th Amendment! Just like the MMA then, PPP today abdicated its responsibility as the opposition. PPP as a political party is supposed to represent the people of Pakistan, because the very name PPP stands for Pakistan's People Party. It did not!

It supported its own interests and in the process, effectively disenfranchised its electoral support.

Today, despite the abysmal nature of the events, it was a watershed day in the political history of Pakistan, because for the first time, the mask of deceit was torn off the faces of the "national leaders" and the people finally saw the real face of politics in Pakistan.

The secret behind the portrait of the Pakistani Dorian Greys had been revealed!

Today, was the day to face reality and admit; we are all guilty. Today, we have to ask ourselves who is to blame if we select these people again? Will we blame the "hidden hand" again, or our own naive emotionalism? Today, we learned what happens to a nation and its people, when they ignore their past experience; change their history and lie to themselves.

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the most foolish of them all?

Ciao

hamidm: It aint over till the fat lady sings!!

And there are plenty of fat ladies around that can sing over the next few months - the supreme court, the military, or just plain rank and file of political parties who decide they have had enough of the prima donnas (BB, NS, Mush) in this soap opera.

jayp,

..... that goes for you and the other horrible hindoos suffering from small penis syndrome too - just shut up !

.... the unwashed masses of pakistan seem to have given there verdict, it is time for the 'talking classes', specially the expats who do not have a dog in this fight, to shut up !

"Opposition parties did not mount any protest and a call for a general strike received a lukewarm response in the capital. Only two dozen protesters gathered to protest outside the parliament, shouting, “This election is a fraud” and “Go Musharraf, Go.”

....... and someone should slap these 'two dozen protestors' for making a fool out of their families ........

Re: # 14

tahmed,

......... stop pissing in the wind, it is getting you all wet ........

...... as far as i am concerned it is a pretty good idea to get as many thieves as you can under one tent to cut down on the noise and get on with our lives ....... with bb, maulana fazloo, altaf bhai, the thieves of gujrat and mushy all toghether in bed, it should be one big orgy ...... the only people left on the sidelines playing with themselves will be qazi sahib, imran khan (party of one), nawaz sharif and the taliban .........

....... things are beginning to look up ....... the big question is if my cousin will get a ministership out of this deal ........ musharraf zindabad!

mughal #4 you write "there are people who never think of corridors of powers and just continue to do their daily business". This is true, and at the individual level the vast majority of military people are fine, honorable people.

However, the problem is that as an institution, the military is indeed like a church (as per this article), which watches out for "its own" rather than for the nation it serves. Thus, the church is spending $600 million to pay off those abused by gay priests, and in Pakistan the military allows one dictator after another to get away with flouting the constitution.

The day a dictator is court-martialed in the military for abusing the trust a nation places in its armed forces and for conduct unbecoming an army officer (making a mockery of the electoral process being surely on top of the list!!), that day the military will start being seen again as a national army that is there to protect and defend the nation and the rule of law, not to trample over it.

"His answer was "... there are always huge crowds behind thieves. if the people didn't vote for thieves and plunderers in Pakistan, no one would have to make deals with them."


...I think this was consensus statement in that Debate, that Laghari Guy too said something similiar, and Sheikh Rashid too said something similiar..... only that PPP lawyer iqbal Haider , said something about 10 years of fishing for proofs ,....etc..etc..etc..

bytheway...

with this so call RECONCILIATION Ordinance ,which has laid grouds to pardoned anyone and everyone from 1986-1999 ,whether he is a Killer,Terrorist,Bhatta Khoor, Looter, Plunderer,Rapist, Hijacker...etc..etc Pakistan has Officialy announced , that there is NO LAW in the country....provided he belongs to any Political party and claims victimization......... Period.

Mohammed rip van winkle,


"During Musharraf reign Pakistan has digressed in so many ways. This ordinance will further allow this country to totally divorce away the concept of accountability."

You are totally out of touch with pakistan. The entire notion of accountability in pakistan was provided by Mushy with his NAB, mohammed, it stands for national accountability board.

What Mushy gives, mushy taketh away, ...have you not learned pak history, MAJ after spending years on preaching TNT, that muslims cannot live with people of other religions, finally in one speech took away the entire notion of TNT. The same here with Mushy, NAB was created by him, and now he has destroyed it.

Zeemax 10,

Murder, corruption, theft..they are there every where. But pakistan is the only country where murder is not a crime due to TNT version of sharia, theft is not a crime due to "teh doctrine of necessity".

What is unique about pakistan is that teh society through the legislature and teh supreme court makes the crime as non-crime and hence legal. This is done with teh support of teh educated, the legal fratenity, the officials in the ministries, the so called highly professional military...you name it and endorsed by the ilks of tahmed and ylh.

You will never hear it in pakistan what you have quoted about india, corruption charges against military..Pak military is never corrupt, ask roamir.

#8 Posted by jayp,

Yaar I think the people who stole money from the coffin purchases of their war dead have no right to make these statements.

Author,

In short we have a lot going for us in terms of constitutional development and corporate governance.

... and a lot more. It is the collective mindset of the clique of gora boot-licking kanjaRs who are contemptuous of this country despite eating from its plate (the plate-pisser phenomenon) and regard the ordinary non-kanjaR fellow Pakistanis as regressive and backward and ignorant, and continue to betray them at every occasion after having taken their votes. Of-course the reference is towards the maha-kanjaRi BB.

Though I have no respect for Government spokesmen, Dr. Salman Shah had an excellent point at Geo yesterday. When asked as to how the thieves and plunderers in the words of musharraf himself for no less than 8 years were now granted immunity? His answer was "... there are always huge crowds behind thieves. if the people didn't vote for thieves and plunderers in Pakistan, no one would have to make deals with them."

This is the reality. If BB has votes, musharraf has an easy choice in continuing with this kanjaRpana. This time it is the withdrawing of court cases in return for election support, next time it will be something else. The cloak and dagger stuff will continue and both sides will keep collecting something or the other to blackmail each other with for prudential insurance.

Murder and other crimes,

When Samia Arawar was murdered a few years ago, no one was charged with an offence, because no crime was comitted.

It is reasonable for benzir and others to ask the same question, if murder is not a crime, why should stealing money from any one be treated as a crime. My dear pakistanis, think about it, and do not blame Mushy, he is only extending a widely accepted notion of pak society.

Read thsi from dawn of today, and feel easy



"Another amendment stipulates that all cases that were registered by the National Accountability Bureau in or outside Pakistan against holders of public offices during the period in question would be deemed to have been withdrawn. Furthermore, such persons shall not be liable to any action in future as well for acts done in good faith before the said date.

Yet another amendment — in the Code of Criminal Procedure of 1898 (Act V, Section 494) — calls for withdrawal of cases registered between Jan 1, 1986, and Oct 12, 1999, by the federal or a provincial government against any person, including an absconding accused, found to have been framed for political reasons. The law will be applicable to only those cases in which no court has given a judgment."

Mohammed,

You are totally wrong when you say,

"These issues come about because there is no respect for separation of powers. This affects common-man issues like consumer rights, health care and food price inflation (because the junta/ establishment knows there is no competing institution that may take them on)."

The problems of pakistan are much more deep rooted. Take the kargill, war, the officers of pak army are supposed to be educated at the most respected institution in pakistan, many are trained in the uS and UK, still they went for the war, which now many claim was wrong. What happened to the so called educated, what did education provide to the pakistanis, simply put it did not provide them with a rational thinking process, it simply schooled them.

One can see the same process in the chowk interactors, they are all educated and here is a case of YLH. He maintains that the traouble in waziristan is caused by the followers of gandhi and in that process he absolves the pakistanis and the madrassas of any responsibility.

It is this lack of understanding of the reality and the refusla to take responsibility for the situation in pakistan is the root cause. For every thing, the responsibility is ascribed to some one dead gadhi to zia, or to some one outside pakistan the US or afghanistan.

There will be more such ordinances, they are all the signs of a society collapsing on itself, large regions declaring their own laws, the streets of karachi ruled by teh criminals.