Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

Re: HP # 71

HP, thanks for the reminder, but I am aware that the first step towards democracy in Pakistan will be a power sharing arrangement between the military and the civilians.

This, incidently, is also the well trodden historic step too.

The elections are dead issue to me, but what grates me is the NRO. It is a trap and it is not even really meant to be an effort at reconciliation. It will lapse like all ordinances in about 4 months months until the next parliament debates it, which seems unlikely. The election schedule has not been announced and when it is, it will be followed by an interim government. The interim government may last 2-3 months and by the time the elections are held and new parliament is sworn in, the NRO will be mooted due to time already elapsed.

Given that, there is no real reconciliation offered and Benazir Bhutto was smart to realize this and in fact, may not even come back to Pakistan. She will not want to be in Pakistan when the NRO vaporizes and be held accountable. In fact the reconciliation and the amensty offered is only for 4 months - October 5, 2007 to February 5, 2008.

I agree, there is too much distraught over this ordinance. I will add another wager to the game; I think that people will fondly remember Musharraf and his times, when he is gone. We, natives, are a strange lot...either we at someone's throat or at their feet and/or either we are insulting them or wishing them well, but we can never be never moderate in our views. lol

Ciao

Re: # 111
JUI (F) Fazul Rehman father was a Chief Minister, then we have Mini-Me of Maulana Noorani and ofcourse the daughter-father alliance in shape of Jamat-e-Isalami and Sexy Sam’s (Samiullah’s party) who’s son is a MNA himself. We all know what happened during the Senate Elections – where MMA fetched Rs.5cr to Rs.11 cr to nominate a Senator and Feroz thinks Religious Party’s are Democratic?

Ch. Shujaat has spilled the beans today saying the NRO was just a 'syasi chaal' to divide the opposition - further clarifying if the opposition had been united, there would have been a real threat to legitimacy.

Stupid BB has fallen for it again thinking that the generals would actually go to bed with her ... no way.

So it appears she won't be the next premier after all!

ferozk iLog,

I think it is quite tragic and in very bad taste to have reduced these profound lyrics to a parody of Pakistan politics.

Regards

if the three time pm limit holds good, then who will be the next pm........

hmmmm.....a close friend told me that the isi plans the elections by first establishing the people the coas wants elected, and then working backwards....

...based on this, and based on the current international situation, musharraf would want a pml(q) and ppp coalition, with pm from either party.....maybe from ppp to keep bb quite and the ppp jiyalas in line......

he was ready to do this, after the coup also, provided the pm was not benazir.....

.......so musharraf president, some weak guy from ppp nominated by bb (amin fahim probably) as the prime minister......chaudhries being assured that they will rule punjab, which is what they are interested in.......mqm rules sind with a ppp alliance.......

baluchistan and nwfp goes to the maulvis again, to ensure americans remain in line......

.....the new coas remains loyal to the corps (pun intended) to musharraf......who ensures the army keeps its business deals......

.......shaukut aziz remains the finance minister (which is a portfolio he still holds), and sheikh rashid becomes the information minister, where he will do an excellent job......

five years later, bb and ns realize what a blunder they have made by not remaining united.......

#117 Posted by bulleya,

How come no one has taken into account NS return after Eid? It is already agreed as per reports.

NS still has indisputably the top mandate in Punjab, and can easily build back the same as before in other provinces. He has a lot of principled politicians tilting on his side who will switch if he has a credible go at power in the center.

Re: # 108

romair,

.... you remain as clueless as ever ...... i never said musharraf is a better choice than bb, ns or even fazloo ..... all i am saying that since the politicians don't have their act together it is a moot point ....... if tomorrow they could get bb or ns or evel a kala kutta inplace of musharraf it would be a better option ........ there is no point in wishing for something that is not going to happen in the forseeable future and you have make the most of what you have - which is not as bad as imran khan and other idiots make it out to be ....... (note that i did not mention imran khan as a possible candidate)

......... as sheikh rashid would say "reality politics is not a game for emotional people with weak bladders jin ka peshab nikal jata hai" .......

sheikh rahid zindabad !

another famous quote: "i might be urdu medium, but i fully understand the shenanigans (chalain) of the english medium'

Re: # 117

captain clueless,

"a close friend told me that the isi plans the elections by first "......... exactly how many close friends do you have in all these high up places ?!!! .......

....... you are a shameless name dropper ! .......now go and give that giant pink bunny in the corner a big hug - maybe he will fill you in on what musharraf had for breakfast

#120 hamid writes ".... you remain as clueless as ever ...... i never said musharraf is a better choice than bb, ns or even fazloo ..... all i am saying that since the politicians don't have their act together it is a moot point ....... "

It is not that the politicians don't have their act together, it is that they have to operate under the gun of the military, which is under the gun of the Americans- under these circumstances they do what is expected of them, and what is expected of them if they want to survive that is, is not to look after the people of this country but to serve their masters and receive kickbacks in return- such a political setup will always be corrupt regardless of the person occupying the position of power. When you have an economy in which all the growth in GDP is consumption driven and the consumption increase is due to a rapidly increasing population and the lifestyle of the few ultra rich who receive dirty money by selling the country, and where you have net negative exports, and debts up the wazoo, that means that your "growth" is going outside the country to feed those whom your institutions are serving even as your people go to hell.

You all can talk all you want about politician x and politician y, and dictator x and dictator y, the generations to come will be talking similar BS not realizing that these are public issues having to do with a social structure that is not indigineous but determined from outside, in other words the status-quo generating machinery is oiled, serviced and gassed by the US elite, otherwise it would have broken down long ago...

Re: # 121

masadi,

sigh! ......... you are hopeless .... please put down mills and boone and pick up another book - any book will do ........ and the sooner you get over the bitterness of having failed in the land of opportunity, the sooner you will get laid ........

#121 Posted by masadi,

And yet you don't agree with what you call 'Crusader Version of Islam'?

What will happen is as follows:

The Supreme Court will pass the judgment that the presidential elections were totally illegal and musharraf was not eligible candidate etc given the clause numbers so and so of the constitution ... BUT however, since the elections have ALREADY taken place and THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, the results hereby stand!

Believe it or not, this has happened before in case of the Junejo elections. So there's a precedent.

Then, musharraf will take oath as usual and Allalh Allah Khair Salla. Assemblies will be dissolved and the military junta will rule again through their proxy president's power of article 58 2(b), and whatever assembly emerges next will be a rubber stamp (as always except for the short period this article stood expunged during NS tenure).

I.e. of-course ... till the guillotine parks are set-up.

Re #123; The CVI has been used time and again to "tune-up" the Status Quo generating machinery and keep it buzzing...we need people consciousness and people power, only then will the people be independant enough to discover Islam for themselves....

masadi writes: "the generations to come will be talking similar BS..."

So, "generations to come" are going to be dummies too!! Whew!! what a relief. It is future generations too that will be talking similar BS, not just us dummies on chowk, not realizing as the All-Knowing Masadi continues)...

...not realizing that these are public issues having to do with a social structure that is not indigineous but determined from outside...

Not to be outdone, Bulleye writes: a close friend told me that the isi plans..

With such All-Knowing, Always Right posters (or should I say Super Posters) like Masadi and Bulleye on chowk, the rest of chowk can only stand by humbly and pay homage to these chowk gods -
ommmmmmmmm..shanti..ommmmmmmm!!

as for hamidm and zeemax, they are mere children puttering around Masadi, the god of Knowledge and Bulleya, the god of Connections.


....ommmm.......shanti......

and where is that good-for-nothing indian jang when we need him to pay homage to the gods!!

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