Musharraf’s New Ordinance Hoopla

Re: # 46

manto mian,

.... isn't it obvious that fazloo is hoping for a jui government in nwfp without having to share the halwa with another maulvi like qazi? ..... he will share it if he has too, but he can share it with the ppp too - that way he can get a few crumbs at the center .... the mma is dead - i wouldn't be surprised if the mullahs start killing each other soon ........ in this case sectarian violence would be a good thing ....

hamidm sheikh rashid is a debauche bachelor, when somebody asked him why u dont get married he said he wasnt mad to purchase a cow if milk was available in the market


And I know that Imran Khan is stupid, not worldly wise and also a hypocrite but he has one quality that all these swine dont, he cannot be purchased, the guy just cant be bribed and though i have ben opposed to him, i feel if among all these people there was a choice after Musharraf, who all said and done was good for the economy, the freedom of speech and media (which is more than we can say for the democrats Nawaz and BB) it would be Imran.

So if the crown should pass to someones head from Musharraf's it should be Imran but unfortunately i dont see that happening

Re: # 50

borivili,

"sheikh rashid is a debauche bachelor, when somebody asked him why u dont get married he said he wasnt mad to purchase a cow if milk was available in the market"

..... in my book that makes him a very smart man ! ..... it also shows that, unlike most of us, he is capable of finding fresh milk when he wants to .......

sheik rashid zindabad !

hamidm i can also find fresh milk, but the guy is over 50 years old, there is something strange about this guy at that age people look beyond to leaving an heir but he is exceptionally depraved.

Imran too had his fill of milk and milk shake but the guy is honest

Does any one know how much money changed hands?

Politics is no child's game. And politicians’ fight over the money that gets distributed amongst the participants. The free Pakistani press must investigate any info on how much money was passed amongst these people.

O! Is there a free Pakistani press?

Re: # 53

The total amount of money that this harami fouji kutta could not retrieve in 8 years from corrupt politicians and bureaucrates is close to Rs. 1.15 Trillion.

The number of cases that NAB has against corrupt polticians and bureaucrats is 887.

The number of criminal cases such as murder, extortion, and terrorism against ONLY the so called allies of this fouji kanjar are 2370; of which 2311 cases are against MQM alone.

Innalillah e - wa inna ilaihe rajoon.

Re: # 52

borilvili,

.... so what is the problem with sheikh rashid being more than fifty years old ???? .....eh ??? ...... anyone can get go to the store and get fresh milk when they are twenty or thirty - it takes an exceptional man to get fresh milk when they are over fifty ......... and if i remember correctly, our holy prophet (pbuh and his camel) sowed most of his wild oat and drank most of his fresh milk when he was older than sheikh rashid .......

sheikh rashid zindabad !

Re: # 54
urstruly,

... calm down and stop being a wet blanket!.... i honestly think that this 'deal' is the best thing that has happened to pakistan in a long time - the logjam has been broken and may the better man/woman win !

........ i love it !

Ok, hamid, do you seriously think that these people in Islamabad know what real politics is all about! Or is it somewhat like office politics? Or is it social politics? What kind of politics do they know? These people have ruled a society of crazyhadies not because they are some kind of a political genius. A society such as Pakistan, which is full of crazyhadies can only produce leaders precisely because they know that their political skills will not be challenged. Pakistan can only offer the world a lot of crazyhadies from their stock of 170 million “bookhe nangeh lok”.

Tell me, how do you politicize a society where its women or even its men do not believe in wearing under wears?

The real question why cant society cant come up with a single popular leader who isnt some kind of destructive harlot like BB, NS, Altaph, Fazloo etc? Till we address the ridiculous literacy rates and depraved social norms that hold us back nothing will change...at least not for the better.

Re: # 57

bubba,

.... i watch the sunday talk shows on american tv and the pakistani talk shows on geo and ary ...... let me tell you, compared to the pakistani politicians the american yahoos and bubbas are a bunch of amateurs ! ....... on top of that, pakistani talk show hosts like hamid mir, kashif abbassi and others are heads and shoulders above wimps and sissys like tim russert and wolf blitzer ..... the pakistani press is a lot freer than the american media can ever hope to be - no self imposed political correctness or politness standards for us - we call it like we see it !

....... i have no idea what everyone is bitching about - let the good times roll .........

.......... sheikh rashid on kashif's show today:"it is the month of ramzan and i probably shouldn't say this, but these politicians are not fourteen year old virgins that we can seduce them!" ........... i love this man !

sheikh rashid zindabad and to hell with whiners like imran khan !

Re: # 58

Cliftonbridge:

Musharraff is a kind of a lone ranger street fighter. After loosing few in Kargil, he knows which street fights to pick and win. And he is delivering, in Cricket lingo, six sixes in each over he has been playing whoever is the adversary. He epitomizes, the people around him have interests, while others may have friends.

I have said it many times here, that this alliance between largest democratic party and military will bring stability, profound change and even provide a model of badly needed alternative the world citizens expect, to America's Iraqi model, and Ahmadinijad's Iranian model.

The best part is after all this journey thru tora-bora to wana wana to Pakistan Supreme Court to Lal Masjid (= Pakistani Jalianwala bagh) to complexity of democracy simplified Pakistani ishytle to gerrymandering Pakistani ishtyle. I am now bullish about Pakistani youths too. I already have been bullish about "This India" for sometime. They never disappoints. And democracy in Pakistan is going to make sure the army is back in the barracks. Ask Musharraff, he is no fool..

...i cannot see how this partnership between musharraf, chaudries, benazir and altaf bhai can last.......they represent the liberal part of pakistani politics.....though chaudries, are more in the middle, by pakistani standards.....in terms of most to least liberal, i would rank them - mqm, musharraf, ppp, pml(q)....

however, deep down inside they hate each other......army has always hated the ppp, and ppp cadre have always hated the army......mqm has hated ppp, ever since ppp wiped them out in karachi.....chaudhry shujaat's father was chaudhry zahoor, who was assasinated........and chaudries blame ppp for that assasination.........

how are all these guys get along......

......they have one common factor in that they all have crimes that need to be forgiven by the other......mqm has murder cases against it........pml(q) and ppp leaders have been massively corrupt......and musharraf and army have constitutional violations against them.......

but this will not last......much like it was clear nawaz sharif and benazir's charter of democracy would not last.....when this alliance of convenience comes apart then what will happen.......

........the only faction i can see, which can hold together, moreso than others, is the mma.....it has its diffferences between qazi and fazl, but in the end, its votebase has a common vision........and mma is generally far more democratic internally than the liberal parties.......so their leadership cannot simply act solely on its own.......and the mma, generally, is disiplined and does not end up with lotas........

so, this alliance comes apart within the next five years.....army takes over again in the next five to ten years.......and then maulvis get power......i cannot see anything else happening, as the people are totally out of the loop, in this alliance......even the second level leadership of these parties are out of the loop, what to talk of the people......

the only wild card is the chief justice and the supreme court.........

anilji, a most fascinating prognosis. Do you have any time frame in mind for this process to unfold?

re: hamidm2

Hamid sahib, you should hear stories about Sheikh Rashid, circulating, from his college days and everytime an Indian actress comes to Islamabad. ;)

Sheikh Rashid has a political appeal, which is missing from the other politicans and remember he started his politics from the street - therefore the colorful rough edges. He speaks the truth and is blunt about and for that, I admire him.

As to the press, yesterday I sat and watched the TV, skippiing channels, from the early morning till afternoon when the voting eneded. The press anchors, on all channels, had pointed questions and did not let a stray comment go unpunished. They were calling a spade a spade. Especially an interaction between Hamid Mir and a PML-Q MNA.

Hamid Mir, on his show Capital Talk, was showing a clip of Shortcut (Shoukat Aziz)talking about the election day and Shortcut said that except for a minor problem in Peshawar, all was normal. Hamid then said someone; a lawyer, whose name I forget, had both his legs broken and is this what the PM considers as normal? The MNA said Shortcut did not know about incident, when he made the statement and whereupon, Hamid said "are you saying that your PM is not-informed?"

The MNA defended the PM and said Hamid was making news as he went along and Hamid retorted that he was standing by his comment that the PM is not an informed PM.

Pakistani press is a lot freer than it ever was and one must give the devil his dues on this one too. Musharraf freed the press, when Sheikh Rashid was the minister of information...

Ciao

Re: # 59

Ok Hamid, being jingoistic is what you consider being a better politician. Since when have you been so naïve? All of these crooks in Pakistan have been bought out by the mighty dollar and by those who pump these dollars. Even the mighty ZAB was playing the tune of the white elephants. Rest assured there are no politician in Pakistan of the calibre of those who came during and before WWII. These so-called politicians are not there to work on people’s values, aspirations, or dreams.

Today’s so-called political leaders in Pakistan have been bought out either by the Arabs or by any other shade of foreign wealth. Just foaming on TV does not make one a politician. For the past 60 years, these so-called awami leaders have not solved one issue for the 170 million crazyhadies of Pakistan.

Of course Sunday talk shows in america is a bastardise version of modern american politics. It is used as a political venue to propagate the two party propaganda, and the world knows it. The corporate media is just one more leg for the white house or the congress to use in their manipulation of innocent masses.