Mohammad A Shaikh October 5, 2007
#81 Posted by arabianwizards on October 7, 2007 4:03:43 am
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Nati onal Reconciliation goes truly National
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Karachi - Taking a cue from the nation’s enlightened leaders people from different walks of life have decided to jump on the ‘reconciliation’ band wagon. News coming from various corners of the country speak of people coming together to forgive and grant clemency to themselves.
The National Association of Street and Petty Crimes, Karachi Chapter has announced that in the spirit of the newly presented proposal by Pervaiz Musharraf, all its members who have stolen mobiles, snatched cars and killed people over cash between the periods Jan-1985 to Sep-2007 are hereby forgiven.
“We believe in the concept of forgiveness as put by Mr. Musharraf.”, said the chairman of the Karachi Chapter. “Keeping with the honorable president’s call we have decided to forgive ourselves, just like the country’s parliamentarians have come together to forgive themselves.”
“Forgiving ourselves leaves a positive feeling for us. It lightens up any burdens any of us had. We won’t need to smoke pot or hash or drink adulterated alcohol to calm our nerves anymore. We now feel our conscience is as clear as the water of Karachi’s West Wharf.”, he added.
“To all those people whose money and phones and cars we took away, we would like to say that its now over. Lets move on as we have now forgiven ourselves.”, he said. The chairman had a glow on his face as he brandished a brand new Nokia E90 he snatched just in time to be covered by the amnesty. “When I killed the bloke whose E90 this was I got a feeling of uneasiness, despite being high on charas. But now having forgiven myself, I am extremely relaxed and feel happy to use this phone.”
Street Criminal Welfare Associations all over Pakistan have expressed similar sentiments. However some quarters have expressed concern. Some members have been upset that the phones and cars they stole in October are not covered in the amnesty and that they were not given ample time to take advantage. Some members have requested that the amnesty period be extended by a month so they can maximise activity in October 2007.
Steps for a better Pakistan have also been taken by the National Association of Organ Traders, The Muttahida Tax Evaders Alliance, The Jameeat Ahl e Milawat and also by Anjuman Baraey Shor Sharaba (ABSS). Everyone seems to be in the mood to forgive themselves.
President Musharraf and his team of yes-men have welcomed these steps as being steps in the right direction. We want to set the precedent that criminals need not feel the burden of their crimes. Its unfair that a criminal should live with the guilt of a crime. Criminals should be given the opportunity to live a life of respectability. It is their right as citizens of their country that they should be given the same respect as any other ordinary person.
“That a criminal be sent to court and punished for his actions means we are allowing victims to get revenge. Vengeance should be removed from society. And for this purpose we believe criminals should come together and forgive themselves so we save our police and courts the trouble of giving people justice.”, President Musharraf stated.
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Nati onal Reconciliation goes truly National
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Karachi - Taking a cue from the nation’s enlightened leaders people from different walks of life have decided to jump on the ‘reconciliation’ band wagon. News coming from various corners of the country speak of people coming together to forgive and grant clemency to themselves.
The National Association of Street and Petty Crimes, Karachi Chapter has announced that in the spirit of the newly presented proposal by Pervaiz Musharraf, all its members who have stolen mobiles, snatched cars and killed people over cash between the periods Jan-1985 to Sep-2007 are hereby forgiven.
“We believe in the concept of forgiveness as put by Mr. Musharraf.”, said the chairman of the Karachi Chapter. “Keeping with the honorable president’s call we have decided to forgive ourselves, just like the country’s parliamentarians have come together to forgive themselves.”
“Forgiving ourselves leaves a positive feeling for us. It lightens up any burdens any of us had. We won’t need to smoke pot or hash or drink adulterated alcohol to calm our nerves anymore. We now feel our conscience is as clear as the water of Karachi’s West Wharf.”, he added.
“To all those people whose money and phones and cars we took away, we would like to say that its now over. Lets move on as we have now forgiven ourselves.”, he said. The chairman had a glow on his face as he brandished a brand new Nokia E90 he snatched just in time to be covered by the amnesty. “When I killed the bloke whose E90 this was I got a feeling of uneasiness, despite being high on charas. But now having forgiven myself, I am extremely relaxed and feel happy to use this phone.”
Street Criminal Welfare Associations all over Pakistan have expressed similar sentiments. However some quarters have expressed concern. Some members have been upset that the phones and cars they stole in October are not covered in the amnesty and that they were not given ample time to take advantage. Some members have requested that the amnesty period be extended by a month so they can maximise activity in October 2007.
Steps for a better Pakistan have also been taken by the National Association of Organ Traders, The Muttahida Tax Evaders Alliance, The Jameeat Ahl e Milawat and also by Anjuman Baraey Shor Sharaba (ABSS). Everyone seems to be in the mood to forgive themselves.
President Musharraf and his team of yes-men have welcomed these steps as being steps in the right direction. We want to set the precedent that criminals need not feel the burden of their crimes. Its unfair that a criminal should live with the guilt of a crime. Criminals should be given the opportunity to live a life of respectability. It is their right as citizens of their country that they should be given the same respect as any other ordinary person.
“That a criminal be sent to court and punished for his actions means we are allowing victims to get revenge. Vengeance should be removed from society. And for this purpose we believe criminals should come together and forgive themselves so we save our police and courts the trouble of giving people justice.”, President Musharraf stated.
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#82 Posted by IB on October 7, 2007 4:17:44 am
Re: # 81 joker!!!
Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future!
Whats wrong with you guys?
a)HP is all up against Mushraff just because he's a Sindi and Jai Sind Supporter. who would satisfy ppl like HP? Bibi? maybe Mumtaz Bhutto? In dreams!
b) t-ahmed mian' is hopeful that Mushraff would exit soon and considered Aitazaz Ahsen as newbies?
c) Urstruly wants Shariah Law ? Bonkers!
HP,T-Ahmed,Urstruly? it' seems like a Jai Sind (HP), (PML N) and Jamat-e-Islami Alliance?
Above lott reflects the opposition agaist Mushraff which is based on ethinicity,religious extremism and personal reasons ( which are still not explained - as yet atleast) want to share t-ahmed sahab? if not get a shrink!
Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future!
Whats wrong with you guys?
a)HP is all up against Mushraff just because he's a Sindi and Jai Sind Supporter. who would satisfy ppl like HP? Bibi? maybe Mumtaz Bhutto? In dreams!
b) t-ahmed mian' is hopeful that Mushraff would exit soon and considered Aitazaz Ahsen as newbies?
c) Urstruly wants Shariah Law ? Bonkers!
HP,T-Ahmed,Urstruly? it' seems like a Jai Sind (HP), (PML N) and Jamat-e-Islami Alliance?
Above lott reflects the opposition agaist Mushraff which is based on ethinicity,religious extremism and personal reasons ( which are still not explained - as yet atleast) want to share t-ahmed sahab? if not get a shrink!
#83 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 4:23:14 am
hp,
..... agreed .... inspite of my alarm over the increasing petty religiosity of the middle class and the gap between the haves and the have-nots, i have always been bullish over pakistan and am looking forward to retiring there ......
......... regardless of the perpetual whining by doom and gloom pundits like imran khan, things have been getting progressively better for the growing middle class ...... a generation ago half my relatives were squatting on the railroad tracks like ordinary hindoos; today their kids turn on the air conditioner in the bedroom and leave the door open to the bathroom for an hour before they take a poop !
.......as long as we have people like sheikh rashid we will be fine ...... and i am serious when i say that he is a better politician than any of the yahoos and bubbas running in the us presidential election ........ as he once angrily said, "i don't care if kalay chor (black thieves) are running the country - i have my constituency and i will always get elected" ...... just yesterday he was scolding imran khan for being a 'bacha' and wasting his time: "i don't have time for this 'rona dhona' - i have to go prepare for an election' ...... and when the perenial whiner ayaz mir started his lament over the demise of democracy and all that, sheikh sahib looked at him with disdain and said, "you have been crying and repeating the same old story for years ... if people listened to you, they wouldn't get out of bed in the morning" .......... and the people of rawalpindi love him for that
......... now if we could only make him the prime minister things would be just fine .........
shiek rashid zindabad !
#84 Posted by tahmed32 on October 7, 2007 4:27:02 am
IB: Like I said, you are really, really smart in supporting a military dictatorship and opposing democracy in Pakistan because the face of the dictatorship happens to be that of an urdu-speaker.
#85 Posted by dost_mittar on October 7, 2007 4:27:17 am
Manto:
I wonder if you can clarify a technical point? What happens if the SC declares PM disqualified?
Musharraf was supposed to assume oath of President on November 15 without the uniform. What if the SC declares him disqalified or not give its verdict before Nov. 15? PM has said that he won't give up uniform if he does not get elected. So, he will presumably still be in uniform on Nov. 15; then who will become the new President?
I wonder if you can clarify a technical point? What happens if the SC declares PM disqualified?
Musharraf was supposed to assume oath of President on November 15 without the uniform. What if the SC declares him disqalified or not give its verdict before Nov. 15? PM has said that he won't give up uniform if he does not get elected. So, he will presumably still be in uniform on Nov. 15; then who will become the new President?
#86 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 4:43:43 am
Re: # 84
tahmed,
.... stop being such a wet blanket!.........
....... i took an informal poll of my family and friends in pakistan and all eight of them are very happy with the outcome of the presidential 'election' .... as my sister - a habitual ppp voter - put it: "he is better than the rest of these chors and uchakas" ..... a brother-in-law who supports some guy named tahir-ul-qadri, said:"musharraf did the right thing - he will keep an eye on bb to make sure she doesn't dip into the national till again" ......... he is also hoping that she will divorce zardari before returning to pakistan ...... a twenty five year old niece who works for mobilink and makes more money than her father said:"i just got a new honda city - citibank loaned me the money ... musharraf zindabad !"
.... and i still say: sheikh rashid zindabad !
tahmed,
.... stop being such a wet blanket!.........
....... i took an informal poll of my family and friends in pakistan and all eight of them are very happy with the outcome of the presidential 'election' .... as my sister - a habitual ppp voter - put it: "he is better than the rest of these chors and uchakas" ..... a brother-in-law who supports some guy named tahir-ul-qadri, said:"musharraf did the right thing - he will keep an eye on bb to make sure she doesn't dip into the national till again" ......... he is also hoping that she will divorce zardari before returning to pakistan ...... a twenty five year old niece who works for mobilink and makes more money than her father said:"i just got a new honda city - citibank loaned me the money ... musharraf zindabad !"
.... and i still say: sheikh rashid zindabad !
#87 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 4:48:53 am
Re: # 85
dost,
.... the supreme court will not vote against him because they don't want more turmoil - call it the doctrine of democracy ....... if they do, musharraf will declare emergency and continue in uniform - the public will go along and there is nothing the impotent politicians can do about it ..... like me, they say, "fuck the politicians!" (except sheikh rashid)
dost,
.... the supreme court will not vote against him because they don't want more turmoil - call it the doctrine of democracy ....... if they do, musharraf will declare emergency and continue in uniform - the public will go along and there is nothing the impotent politicians can do about it ..... like me, they say, "fuck the politicians!" (except sheikh rashid)
#88 Posted by IB on October 7, 2007 4:52:06 am
Karachi/Hyderabad/Sukker/MQM supports Mushraff because:
a) his stance on war against extremists (going into tribal areas)
b) economic policies ( tax reforms, lasting policies for industry, economic liberalization)
c) somewhat fair division of resources to smaller provinces
d) especial assistance package for Karachi ( which was neglected for good 40 years)
e) bring in an idea of ‘giving more power to women
f) reforming society and allowing freedom of speech and expression
g) huge social sector reforms
People like Justice (retd.) Wajiuddin are used and abused by politically motivated snakes aka black coats, evil will always triumph, because good is dumb unfortunately.
Mushraff is atleast better then Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto who looted and abused powers. Yes, the same man who ‘hated’ them is compelled deal but that’s because of dumb people in rural areas / rural background who worship both the leaders knowingly what they did - Bibi and Nawaz unfortunately a reality in Pakistan.
Lesser Evil is the way too go – btw, If Jinnah (Quaid) would be alive – some people would brand him a MQM-wala bhai-ya!
Hamidm: Sheikh Rashid ( on a serious note ) is good for Pakistan – he’s defied Nawaz Sharif because Nawaz Pay’ee did not gave him the ticket for his party . He is a good politician and so is Dr.Sher Afghan – both terribly misunderstood in Pakistan.
a) his stance on war against extremists (going into tribal areas)
b) economic policies ( tax reforms, lasting policies for industry, economic liberalization)
c) somewhat fair division of resources to smaller provinces
d) especial assistance package for Karachi ( which was neglected for good 40 years)
e) bring in an idea of ‘giving more power to women
f) reforming society and allowing freedom of speech and expression
g) huge social sector reforms
People like Justice (retd.) Wajiuddin are used and abused by politically motivated snakes aka black coats, evil will always triumph, because good is dumb unfortunately.
Mushraff is atleast better then Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto who looted and abused powers. Yes, the same man who ‘hated’ them is compelled deal but that’s because of dumb people in rural areas / rural background who worship both the leaders knowingly what they did - Bibi and Nawaz unfortunately a reality in Pakistan.
Lesser Evil is the way too go – btw, If Jinnah (Quaid) would be alive – some people would brand him a MQM-wala bhai-ya!
Hamidm: Sheikh Rashid ( on a serious note ) is good for Pakistan – he’s defied Nawaz Sharif because Nawaz Pay’ee did not gave him the ticket for his party . He is a good politician and so is Dr.Sher Afghan – both terribly misunderstood in Pakistan.
#89 Posted by tahmed32 on October 7, 2007 4:52:18 am
hamidm #86 You may not believe in miracles, but if tomorrow Musharraf steps down (or is ousted), there is a slight chance that the world will keep on spinning!!
#90 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 4:58:44 am
Re: # 88
IB,
......... i am serious about sheikh rashid - the man is honest (a rare quality in any politician) and calls it like he sees it ......and his constituency genuinly likes him ..... there is something about sher afgan that bothers me - he appears to be an untrustworthy thug ...... call it chemistry
IB,
......... i am serious about sheikh rashid - the man is honest (a rare quality in any politician) and calls it like he sees it ......and his constituency genuinly likes him ..... there is something about sher afgan that bothers me - he appears to be an untrustworthy thug ...... call it chemistry
#91 Posted by dost_mittar on October 7, 2007 5:01:06 am
hamidm#97
I thought so, too, but he has recently said that he will accept the decision of the SC. [I know, I know that they said the same about the judgement re. Nawaz Sahrif's return to Pakistan]
I thought so, too, but he has recently said that he will accept the decision of the SC. [I know, I know that they said the same about the judgement re. Nawaz Sahrif's return to Pakistan]
#92 Posted by tahmed32 on October 7, 2007 5:03:15 am
#88
on a) Mush's "war" against against extremists - as in lal masjid, where mr enlightenment was happily watching maulvis initimidate Islamabad shopkeepers and kidnapping women, and took action only when the chinese government told him to get his act together.
on b) economic policies - with socialism descredited after the fall of capitalism, pro-business policies are a no-brainer world-wide.
on c) "fair" division for smaller provinces - musharraf is beholden to the military, not to mqm, for power. Guess who is the beneficiary in the military? the evil Panjabis, you genius.
on d) Karachi became a cesspool not because of lack of government expenditures, but because of violence and ethnic strife brought by mqm.
on e) Like in his "humor" aimed at women getting raped?
on f) Islamic extremism grew during Musharraf's watch (see a. above e.g.) - you call this reformation?
on g) Social sector reforms like starving the education sector?
on a) Mush's "war" against against extremists - as in lal masjid, where mr enlightenment was happily watching maulvis initimidate Islamabad shopkeepers and kidnapping women, and took action only when the chinese government told him to get his act together.
on b) economic policies - with socialism descredited after the fall of capitalism, pro-business policies are a no-brainer world-wide.
on c) "fair" division for smaller provinces - musharraf is beholden to the military, not to mqm, for power. Guess who is the beneficiary in the military? the evil Panjabis, you genius.
on d) Karachi became a cesspool not because of lack of government expenditures, but because of violence and ethnic strife brought by mqm.
on e) Like in his "humor" aimed at women getting raped?
on f) Islamic extremism grew during Musharraf's watch (see a. above e.g.) - you call this reformation?
on g) Social sector reforms like starving the education sector?
#93 Posted by hamidm2 on October 7, 2007 5:06:29 am
Re: # 89
tahmed mian,
....... i would be happy if musharraf stepped down, but he is not going to ...... so why be miserable ?...... the man is not a 'dictator' - not like his friend bush who is the 'decider' ..... actually, come to think of it, he is less dicatorial than bb and nawaz sharif
......... a transition to democracy over the next few years is just fine by me - if the people really want it, their chosen opposition can band together in the next assembly and overturn 52B ........ but given their sordid record, i doubt they will be able to do it ..... the sc should not do their dirty work for them .......
once again: sheikh rashid zindabad!
tahmed mian,
....... i would be happy if musharraf stepped down, but he is not going to ...... so why be miserable ?...... the man is not a 'dictator' - not like his friend bush who is the 'decider' ..... actually, come to think of it, he is less dicatorial than bb and nawaz sharif
......... a transition to democracy over the next few years is just fine by me - if the people really want it, their chosen opposition can band together in the next assembly and overturn 52B ........ but given their sordid record, i doubt they will be able to do it ..... the sc should not do their dirty work for them .......
once again: sheikh rashid zindabad!
#94 Posted by IB on October 7, 2007 5:06:35 am
Love all, trust a few! I do agree with you on Sher Afghan although this is just a preception created by media, bad press and yes, thanks to Sher Afghan's shameless and some what useless constitutional debates and twists but Dr.Sher Afghan is dedicated person who is spotless ( in terms of corruption ) . Few people know that he has transfored his area by spending huge sums ( courtesy of Mushraff and Shaukat Aziz) . He will definately get re-elected easily.
( I had a opinion about Sher Afghan like you but a visit to his area , meeting him on couple of occassions and neutrally analyzing him - helped me change my mind )
( I had a opinion about Sher Afghan like you but a visit to his area , meeting him on couple of occassions and neutrally analyzing him - helped me change my mind )
#95 Posted by tahmed32 on October 7, 2007 5:09:11 am
#93 hamidm: in other words, what you are saying is that musharraf is the lesser of the evils. What an inspiring political platform for a man who seeks to be a national leader!! :-)
#96 Posted by zeemax on October 7, 2007 5:14:54 am
In defense of Fazlur-ur-Rehman:
Why's everyone beating up on him? If the NWFP assembly had been dissolved, what difference would it have made except some issues of legitimacy? But then again, musharraf's regime never had ANY legitimacy to begin with in the manner he took power, manipulated the constitution, and rigged the 2002 elections to arrive at the present electoral college - so, would losing a little bit of legitimacy for the second term really matter for him? I guess not.
What it WOULD have done though, is to increase BB's bargaining power with musharraf.
Above is why JUI (F) didn't dissolve the NWFP assembly i.e. it was useless. However, with this move, he forced BB's eventual deal to acceptance of just ONE demand i.e. withdrawal of cases, whereas she had to give up on her MAIN demands of 3rd time prime-minister, 58-2(b) amendment as well as dissolution of local bodies.
As to why they didn't resign? Well ... they DID resign in NA ... so why not the NWFP as well? It is because they would prefer to retain power in the province in the uncertain times before the run up to the general elections and influence the interim set-up. The alternative (in resigning or dissolution) would have resulted in Governor Rule in the province and the entire administrative machinery would come under musharraf's direct control.
Fazlur-ur-Rehman is a tactician, and VERY smart. He doesn't leave anything on the table. On the other hand, Qazi is a bit naive in comparison and emotional as Imran Khan.
Why's everyone beating up on him? If the NWFP assembly had been dissolved, what difference would it have made except some issues of legitimacy? But then again, musharraf's regime never had ANY legitimacy to begin with in the manner he took power, manipulated the constitution, and rigged the 2002 elections to arrive at the present electoral college - so, would losing a little bit of legitimacy for the second term really matter for him? I guess not.
What it WOULD have done though, is to increase BB's bargaining power with musharraf.
Above is why JUI (F) didn't dissolve the NWFP assembly i.e. it was useless. However, with this move, he forced BB's eventual deal to acceptance of just ONE demand i.e. withdrawal of cases, whereas she had to give up on her MAIN demands of 3rd time prime-minister, 58-2(b) amendment as well as dissolution of local bodies.
As to why they didn't resign? Well ... they DID resign in NA ... so why not the NWFP as well? It is because they would prefer to retain power in the province in the uncertain times before the run up to the general elections and influence the interim set-up. The alternative (in resigning or dissolution) would have resulted in Governor Rule in the province and the entire administrative machinery would come under musharraf's direct control.
Fazlur-ur-Rehman is a tactician, and VERY smart. He doesn't leave anything on the table. On the other hand, Qazi is a bit naive in comparison and emotional as Imran Khan.
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